Subliminal Talk

@CatMan
I get to work and was elated that you created a dedicated 3.1 journal. I get home and there are 43 posts!! Truly incredible...

(03-07-2017, 12:19 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]Rayhon@She got greedy.

Catman allow yourself to get some pussy. I'm not cool with how things have turned out for you. I don't know you, but it's against my ethos to let yourself burn slow in fear and sadness and onlook and cheer you own, when there's way.

Paying an escort for sex would just make that burning, fear and sadness even worse.

(03-07-2017, 03:58 AM)ALI6NMENT Wrote: [ -> ]Catman, what about stop putting vagina on a pedestal and make peace with where you are?

I personally don't recommend paying for sex for the sole reason of - When you lose your virginity with a girl that truly (genuinely) wants to be with you, your self esteem will skyrocket and you will be unstoppable! THAT is the best starting reference point anyone can get.

Stop being so hard on your self, take it easy, yeah you want to lose your virginity but the road there can be fun, if you let it. Success is a journey, not a destination.

When you start getting a taste of pussycats, you will look back on these days as blurry distant memories and laugh, and see how you made such a big deal out of it all, whilst sipping on your cup of wet, juicy homemade (in da bedroom) vagina brew.

agreed, that is so true. I really do hope you get it soon, Catman. I still have my v-card as well, so I know the feeling. LES DO THIS!!

He is unable to attract a woman solely on being catman right.
He's 35, he doesn't have that luxury of just saying he's a virgin with out women viewing as a redflag.

He's not gonna be addicted because he's gonna fuck prostitutes AND fuck women as well.

He's a MAN, not a girl. That special first time excuse is reserve strictly for them.

He can have romance, that comes AFTER he becomes a sexual man. Just because he fucks an escort doesn't mean he's some how not allowed to romance.

Romance isn't everything, and if your too romantic. She'll be repelled.

All of you siding with catman are doing him bad right by not being realistic with him.
At the end of it all , you all support him but it's not any of that have to bear his troubles. When he has the means to solve it. He's the one a virgin at 35, we'll be compassionate on this forum but in the real world that will draw speculation and concern.

This has got nothing to do with self esteem. It's about SEX and being sexual and comfortable with it.

(03-07-2017, 09:34 AM)dissonance Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2017, 12:19 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]Rayhon@She got greedy.

Catman allow yourself to get some pussy. I'm not cool with how things have turned out for you. I don't know you, but it's against my ethos to let yourself burn slow in fear and sadness and onlook and cheer you own, when there's way.

Paying an escort for sex would just make that burning, fear and sadness even worse.

He needs to fuck and gain sexual experience, choose a pretty one. And he needs to be of the mindset that it's just sex. He's not in high school nor college anymore to be hoping for the on that likes him for him. Right he needs to jump start he's sexual experience.

And by being unattached to the sex act, he won't make a big deal out of it and counterintuitively end up lessening the quantity of rejection.

He doesn't need to announce he is a virgin to girls. That's the thing. He needs to stop bringing it up to them. Fake it till you make it.

And this needs to end. I think it's time to stop telling him to pay for hookers already.

(03-07-2017, 05:41 AM)Dilettante Wrote: [ -> ]Im running an ayp so i wanted to just stay away from posting in the forum so i can just run the program in peace... but i just cant resist when catman is being bashed when all he's done is be helpful to everyone here. and he gets flak for it constantly.

I dont post much anymore for the same reason catman gives sporadic updates,
it feels like arguing with everyone on here insisting their opinions are the one true path instead of reading people's different adventures, sometimes contributing one's own, enjoying life and other's perspectives of life.

i hope catman doesnt mind but i can tell you from conversing with him that he has done approaching and pua. that aint for him, he's said that and i understand it. not everyone is cutout for it. not every man wants to approaching nonstop for 2 years. or sometimes the payoff is not worth the herculean effort of game.

i agree with shannon. catman will not go to escorts and that is his prerogative whether you think he's wrong. its not about the sex for him. there is truth to sex is just sex but read what swisston said again.

by what authority do i speak about such things? first hand experience.
everything you've requested catman to do, i did. in spades.

i learned a lot about sex through hiring pros but it did not fill the void of relationships and intimacy. im lonelier than ever even though i know how wonderful sex feels.
i also learned to approach and get dates through daygame but the measly reward isn't worth the effort of constantly gaming. there are other things in life than just seduction.

do i wish i hadnt done the experiences ive had? no. i am pragmatic enough to understand that i have sexual needs.
i'm also the type to think hard work = success, which is not true in dating and relationships.

but do i long for intimacy? of course. i am human after all and humans are social creatures that requires pair bonding with females as dictated by our biology.
and even though its scientifically just chemicals in the brain, it doesnt change the fact that i get lonely without it.

hence the point of those wishing to discuss why everyone should just drop it with catman trying to get escorts: its not about sex and on some level (i know this first hand) its more than just sex.

godspeed catman. i hope you and everyone succeed in this version, if not the next, of dmsi.

Where is catman being bashed, where? I was respectful and civil there were no insults made at his expense , I'm sincerely serious about what saying because he's been on this forum for a while. And he's still hurting.

You went to prostitutes because of sex, and just sex. Why would expect romance or intimacy? That's after and for a girl that likes you.

Women dont care about what you say, they care about how you make them feel and by extension how you feel about yourself. As above so below. If you belive that you are more than worthy, you become that.

Last ditch effort: there is always alcohol. Thats how i lost my v card 3 years ago. I was having so much fun a hot girl who only spoke polish told her friend who told me that she wants me. I was having a blast, i didn't care one bit. She then sits on my lap and i just made out with her. Then it happened.

Im with darkness here. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i respect that.

(03-07-2017, 09:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn't need to announce he is a virgin to girls. That's the thing. He needs to stop bringing it up to them. Fake it till you make it.

And this needs to end. I think it's time to stop telling him to pay for hookers already.

Catmans 35. How old are you?

No it's not gonna end. For the inescapable fact that ALL of you on this forum, may have not paid a hooker but DEFINITELY paid for SEX. Via subliminals: AM,SM,DMSI,WM. It may be indirect in format, the goal was to be attractive in hope of sex.

This hope you all keep feeding is killing him. I on my ethos would not judge and will respect you if took that path it doesn't make you less of a man.

I'm not backing down from this.

(03-07-2017, 10:13 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2017, 09:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn't need to announce he is a virgin to girls. That's the thing. He needs to stop bringing it up to them. Fake it till you make it.

And this needs to end. I think it's time to stop telling him to pay for hookers already.

Catmans 35. How old are you?

No it's not gonna end. For the inescapable fact that ALL of you on this forum, may have not paid a hooker but DEFINITELY paid for SEX. Via subliminals: AM,SM,DMSI,WM. It may be indirect in format, the goal was to be attractive in hope of sex.

This hope you all keep feeding is killing him. I on my ethos would not judge and will respect you if took that path it doesn't make you less of a man.

I'm not backing down from this.

Big difference. Paying for a subliminal to benefit yourself as a whole isn't the same as paying for sex. -_-

(03-07-2017, 10:29 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2017, 10:13 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2017, 09:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn't need to announce he is a virgin to girls. That's the thing. He needs to stop bringing it up to them. Fake it till you make it.

And this needs to end. I think it's time to stop telling him to pay for hookers already.

Catmans 35. How old are you?

No it's not gonna end. For the inescapable fact that ALL of you on this forum, may have not paid a hooker but DEFINITELY paid for SEX. Via subliminals: AM,SM,DMSI,WM. It may be indirect in format, the goal was to be attractive in hope of sex.

This hope you all keep feeding is killing him. I on my ethos would not judge and will respect you if took that path it doesn't make you less of a man.

I'm not backing down from this.

Big difference. Paying for a subliminal to benefit yourself as a whole isn't the same as paying for sex. -_-

You are using DMSI. I'll spell it out: Develop Maximum SEXual irresitability.

Whether covert or indirectly, you paid.

Well... you don't really pay for sex with a hooker either. It's just for companionship. I mean, it's not like you WANT sex, it just kinda HAPPENS...

Paying for hookers isn't such a bad thing. I've paid for sex in the past. It's no big deal, just a business transaction like any other. For a virgin it may be a good thing, as you'll get it done and out of the way. Forget the emotional connection, forget whether you were good or bad, how long you lasted etc, because once it's done you're no longer a virgin, and that feeling to a man is priceless. The only way is up from that point - just don't get addicted to hookers, use them only when necessary! Just my opinion...