(03-06-2017, 11:48 PM)swisston Wrote: [ -> ]Looks to me like Catman really needs some acceptance and intimacy from a woman. For all the talk of sex, and I might be wrong, I just see someone who wants romance 
If acceptance is what he needs, then hiring hookers would simply reinforce that view that women have the control.
Before romance is EVEN on the horizon, he needs to be a sexual man. And he needs it in a setting where he has the freedom to make mistakes.
Unless he was a teen and he and his gf were virgins that fantasy would be reality. Right now, he needs to be realistic and objective.
Fuck all that women control this and that, put that on pause , focus on sex first. Only if your comfortable at your most vulnerable can you be ready for a woman, bc then she can't scare you, hurt you or control you.
(03-06-2017, 11:53 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]What Darkness said.
Also:
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Value =- money. Money has value. With money, a woman CAN be protected. It's just a different name. In the end an exchange of currency is taking place and a man IS paying for sex. Whether it be with his quick wit, "bad boy" attitude, fancy clothes, fame, strength, superior social skills, whatever.
Boil it down it all comes down to paying (in some form) for sex. So what's the big deal?
I definitely agree with you that money = value, but value also has allot of other factors as well that I believe are going to be neglected subconsciously and consciously if he pays for sex.
I don't know how paying for sex will effect him if he does it, it might be good or it might be bad. But in my opinion it would be more likely to decrease self esteem.
especially if he cums fast and gets embarrassed (happened to me)
trust me it's a horrible feeling when a hooker laughs at you after you cum in a minute and won't let you stick it in again even though I was still hard.
(first hand experience)
but then again maybe he lasts a long time and boosts his confidence. You never know. I just rather he earn sex for his first time at least.
(03-06-2017, 11:52 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
I second that. As a man, we should have women wanting us due to their attraction and desire for us. Paying women to have sex with us, it's telling yourself you aren't as worthy as other guys who can get it for free.
In the stone ages when we had no money, men had to attract women with their masculinity. If you were beta, you don't get women. Point is: sex is free and has always been. This is how we should be getting some. When you're paying for it, it won't be satisfying and deep down you know she's not really into you.
You got women thru wealth or thru strength. Sex is not free bc if it was this forum, these subs, wouldn't exist.
You wouldn't need a personality, you wouldn't need charm or charisma.
Sex is not free bc you STILL NEED to pass dominance test from women.
And sex is not free bc indirectly you will end up paying for it.
Whether thru barter or IOU.
(03-07-2017, 12:01 AM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:53 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]What Darkness said.
Also:
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Value =- money. Money has value. With money, a woman CAN be protected. It's just a different name. In the end an exchange of currency is taking place and a man IS paying for sex. Whether it be with his quick wit, "bad boy" attitude, fancy clothes, fame, strength, superior social skills, whatever.
Boil it down it all comes down to paying (in some form) for sex. So what's the big deal?
I definitely agree with you that money = value, but value also has allot of other factors as well that I believe are going to be neglected subconsciously and consciously if he pays for sex.
I don't know how paying for sex will effect him if he does it, it might be good or it might be bad. But in my opinion it would be more likely to decrease self esteem.
especially if he cums fast and gets embarrassed (happened to me)
trust me it's a horrible feeling when a hooker laughs at you after you cum in a minute and won't let you stick it in again even though I was still hard.
(first hand experience)
I'm sorry that happened to you, man. Did you tell her you were a virgin? Also she was on you money so should checked her on that, it's retrospective though and new so you didn't know
(03-07-2017, 12:06 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017, 12:01 AM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:53 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]What Darkness said.
Also:
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Value =- money. Money has value. With money, a woman CAN be protected. It's just a different name. In the end an exchange of currency is taking place and a man IS paying for sex. Whether it be with his quick wit, "bad boy" attitude, fancy clothes, fame, strength, superior social skills, whatever.
Boil it down it all comes down to paying (in some form) for sex. So what's the big deal?
I definitely agree with you that money = value, but value also has allot of other factors as well that I believe are going to be neglected subconsciously and consciously if he pays for sex.
I don't know how paying for sex will effect him if he does it, it might be good or it might be bad. But in my opinion it would be more likely to decrease self esteem.
especially if he cums fast and gets embarrassed (happened to me)
trust me it's a horrible feeling when a hooker laughs at you after you cum in a minute and won't let you stick it in again even though I was still hard.
(first hand experience)
I'm sorry that happened to you, man. Did you tell her you were a virgin? Also she was on you money so should checked her on that, it's retrospective though and new so you didn't know
I wasn't a virgin, I was just super stoned and nervous when I did it. I had a hard on immediately after but she wouldn't let me continue unless I paid more.
I lost my virginity when I was 13 years old to some random chick who turned out to become a hooker crack head nowadays.. She was hot at the time. Was almost black out drunk and it was a very bad sexual experience overall.
Rayhon@She got greedy.
Catman allow yourself to get some pussy. I'm not cool with how things have turned out for you. I don't know you, but it's against my ethos to let yourself burn slow in fear and sadness and onlook and cheer you own, when there's way.
I am supporting Catman not choosing to pay for sex. Even if it would solve all the "external" thing's and he actually would get sex, it would not make him (or anybody else here most likely) feel any better, possibly worse
Like Swisston said, I agree with Catman needing some intimacy with a girl. Not a purely physical, but rather emotional and a bonding experience with a woman. From what I can see he seems to have a slightly unhealthy (in my opinion) way of looking at women, due to him not getting any experience sexually. And having a positive experience would be a step in the right direction for the correct beliefs. Not for the experience itself.
I am looking forward to your experience with 3.1 Catman, but I also think you should consciously aim to change some of the beliefs of yours.
You're gonna make it, CatMan. Just keep going. One way or another, you have to defeat whatever part of you is pushing women. Maybe not this version, but some version will help.
I realize now how wrong I've been in attacking you. Shannon has stated multiple times that he's been watching the stonewalled responses to figure out how to beat the resistance, and the improved ASS / ART in this version is the result of that. It sucks that you aren't getting results yet, but this thing is working wonders on some of us internally, and you've helped with that. It is only a matter of time before Shannon figures out what's stopping you and releases a version that will blow your mind.
So, keep ballin' at business, running DMSI, remain open minded and the solution will come.
Posts by Catman on his own journal: 2. Yet we're somehow on our way to the third page.
Giving advice is one thing but this is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when the advice is recycled from his previous journal and is advice he's explicitly stated he won't take - multiple times.
Im running an ayp so i wanted to just stay away from posting in the forum so i can just run the program in peace... but i just cant resist when catman is being bashed when all he's done is be helpful to everyone here. and he gets flak for it constantly.
I dont post much anymore for the same reason catman gives sporadic updates,
it feels like arguing with everyone on here insisting their opinions are the one true path instead of reading people's different adventures, sometimes contributing one's own, enjoying life and other's perspectives of life.
i hope catman doesnt mind but i can tell you from conversing with him that he has done approaching and pua. that aint for him, he's said that and i understand it. not everyone is cutout for it. not every man wants to approaching nonstop for 2 years. or sometimes the payoff is not worth the herculean effort of game.
i agree with shannon. catman will not go to escorts and that is his prerogative whether you think he's wrong. its not about the sex for him. there is truth to sex is just sex but read what swisston said again.
by what authority do i speak about such things? first hand experience.
everything you've requested catman to do, i did. in spades.
i learned a lot about sex through hiring pros but it did not fill the void of relationships and intimacy. im lonelier than ever even though i know how wonderful sex feels.
i also learned to approach and get dates through daygame but the measly reward isn't worth the effort of constantly gaming. there are other things in life than just seduction.
do i wish i hadnt done the experiences ive had? no. i am pragmatic enough to understand that i have sexual needs.
i'm also the type to think hard work = success, which is not true in dating and relationships.
but do i long for intimacy? of course. i am human after all and humans are social creatures that requires pair bonding with females as dictated by our biology.
and even though its scientifically just chemicals in the brain, it doesnt change the fact that i get lonely without it.
hence the point of those wishing to discuss why everyone should just drop it with catman trying to get escorts: its not about sex and on some level (i know this first hand) its more than just sex.
godspeed catman. i hope you and everyone succeed in this version, if not the next, of dmsi.
(03-07-2017, 12:01 AM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:53 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]What Darkness said.
Also:
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Value =- money. Money has value. With money, a woman CAN be protected. It's just a different name. In the end an exchange of currency is taking place and a man IS paying for sex. Whether it be with his quick wit, "bad boy" attitude, fancy clothes, fame, strength, superior social skills, whatever.
Boil it down it all comes down to paying (in some form) for sex. So what's the big deal?
I definitely agree with you that money = value, but value also has allot of other factors as well that I believe are going to be neglected subconsciously and consciously if he pays for sex.
I don't know how paying for sex will effect him if he does it, it might be good or it might be bad. But in my opinion it would be more likely to decrease self esteem.
especially if he cums fast and gets embarrassed (happened to me)
trust me it's a horrible feeling when a hooker laughs at you after you cum in a minute and won't let you stick it in again even though I was still hard.
(first hand experience)
but then again maybe he lasts a long time and boosts his confidence. You never know.
What?!
Dude, that's horrible! You're paying for her time, not for your orgasm. What kind of "sex worker" did you get? Obviously not very professional.
If that happened with me I'd be like "no, you stay till the hour is up."
Let's draw attention to this over here, however:
(03-07-2017, 12:01 AM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ]I just rather he earn sex for his first time at least.
Pedestalizing sex much?
For Effect:
(03-07-2017, 03:58 AM)ALI6NMENT Wrote: [ -> ]Catman, what about stop putting vagina on a pedestal and make peace with where you are?
(03-07-2017, 12:01 AM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ]I just rather he earn sex for his first time at least.
(03-07-2017, 03:58 AM)ALI6NMENT Wrote: [ -> ]Catman, what about stop putting vagina on a pedestal and make peace with where you are?
Bro you can't expect a audio to do everything for you. Read self development work on your self image. Read the book psycho cybernetics. Work out, hang around girls. You gotta take actions that move you where you want to go.
I was super insecure I was a virgin until 21. Had studied game for 2 years by then but not taken any action on it. Then I downloaded tinder and with my wit i made a profile that got 1000 matches.
Started texting alot, got really good at it to the point girls send me nudes. Still could not close though.
Then I get a few of them out on dates acted like a loser. Then finally on one date I decided fuck it imma use everything I know.
Within 2 hours the girls could barely look at me cause all sexual tension. She even texted me she hated me cause she's never nervous around guys anymore. Then she invited me over and I told her I was a virgin. I had litteraly never kissed a girl.
SHe was like no way i thought you were a player( that have happend alot before i lost my virginity.) Then I lost it, 3 times that night XD.
Im not sure what you do with your life catman since im not super active on this forum. But you have to take actions that get you where you want to go.
If I look back at my life now my friends don't recognize me i was out with 7 models a few weeks ago. And im not saying this to brag but to let you know what's possible.
Read the book psycho cybernetics it's a great book and do the exercises there I think you find it really intresting.
Develop your style people dress awful in US. I litteraly got approached when I was there since i dressed well. Also you feel awesome when you get compliments from girls that walk past
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CatMan posted like once and received 41 responses. rofl, I used to think you were just whining but man... you've made a believer out of me.
I agree with Catman not hiring hookers. If you are a virgin, buying hookers will become an addiction. I've seen it myself. You never want your first experience with a hooker!