(03-06-2017, 11:19 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever, it's his life. But having the power to end your sexual dryspell and not using it is... well...
It's not about that. It's more that paying for what should be for free, it is detrimental to self-esteem. Fair enough if you don't mind, but a lot of guys including myself and Catman won't ever do anything of the sorts.
(03-06-2017, 10:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hello Shannon. I haven't had any dates, or sex, or girlfriends or kisses since coming here...and seriously don't see how I'm in a better standing with women since joining years ago...so I suppose I fail to see all this "progress" I've made. But I expected such a response. And yes, I guess we'll have to wait and see if anything develops, just like before. I do at times grow tired of always waiting and seeing, and nothing developing.
And Darkness and Sarge, I have no interest in escorts. That could've been an option a very long time ago, even high end ones, porn stars, even B or C level actresses. I see no value in that, paying for sex, I view it as degrading to me. Not my thing. I simply want normal relationships and the ability to get normal sex, like normal men. Being forced to pay for sexual access literally, would make me feel terrible about myself. If others enjoy escorts, rock on. I don't have interest, personally.
I agree with how I've become in posts at times, I don't like it either. At times, it feels like the chicken and the egg, I suppose that is what lead you to suggest the escort idea. And in fact, the 3 women that I told I was a virgin, none believed it. I still talk to one often, and I'm positive she still doesn't believe it and felt it was a line or something. So I don't think I'm throwing off some signal related to that, it must be something different causing issues.
There's value, you gain experience and sexual comfort. There's nothing degrading to you. You got to drop that looking down in it, it is sex, just sex. Your not gonna have relationship. The fact that you view of sex with a prostitute is degrading to you shows your discomfort with sex. How is it that you can say you have no interest but you have sexual urges for women, yet you forgo the real thing for pornography or masterbation? You NEED to gain sexual reference point.
Money for sex? That's not bad. You paid $500 for AM6 in the hope of being more attractive, i.e. for SEX. Another $500 for SM3 in hope for....... SEX.
Pheromones you bought to be attractive enough for SEX.
DMSI..... For SEX.
No matter how you put, you HAVE in some form PAID for SEX.
Stop denying yourself sex. Waiting for women has not made them fuck you.
Not paying for sex has not made fuckable, only miserable.
Stop rationalizing, get you some pussy, wear a jimmy, and bring some ED pills just in case.
Porn ain't the answer
Masterbation ain't the answer
Abstaining ain't the answer
Subs ain't it
Pheros ain't it
Fleshlight ain't the answer
PUSSY is. You CAN fuck prostitutes AND seduce women. It's not binary.
Am not cosigning the misery you yourself FORCE unto yourself bc you refuse to get what you can.
And I say this respectfully and without mocking you, face your reality,man.
(03-06-2017, 11:08 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]I know many guys who lost their virginity to hookers. They all said it made them feel like s*** and they didn't improve with girls either. Some of them are still addicted to paying for sex. Others had to force themselves to quit hookers and learn how to get sex on their own.
It's best to have your first experience earned gloriously.
If your a virgin it's by default bad sex, and he will still earn his experience by both fucking hookers AND seducing women, too.
(03-06-2017, 11:31 PM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 10:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hello Shannon. I haven't had any dates, or sex, or girlfriends or kisses since coming here...and seriously don't see how I'm in a better standing with women since joining years ago...so I suppose I fail to see all this "progress" I've made. But I expected such a response. And yes, I guess we'll have to wait and see if anything develops, just like before. I do at times grow tired of always waiting and seeing, and nothing developing.
And Darkness and Sarge, I have no interest in escorts. That could've been an option a very long time ago, even high end ones, porn stars, even B or C level actresses. I see no value in that, paying for sex, I view it as degrading to me. Not my thing. I simply want normal relationships and the ability to get normal sex, like normal men. Being forced to pay for sexual access literally, would make me feel terrible about myself. If others enjoy escorts, rock on. I don't have interest, personally.
I agree with how I've become in posts at times, I don't like it either. At times, it feels like the chicken and the egg, I suppose that is what lead you to suggest the escort idea. And in fact, the 3 women that I told I was a virgin, none believed it. I still talk to one often, and I'm positive she still doesn't believe it and felt it was a line or something. So I don't think I'm throwing off some signal related to that, it must be something different causing issues.
There's value, you gain experience and sexual comfort. There's nothing degrading to you. You got to drop that looking down in it, it is sex, just sex. Your not gonna have relationship. The fact that you view of sex with a prostitute is degrading to you shows your discomfort with sex. How is it that you can say you have no interest but you have sexual urges for women, yet you forgo the real thing for pornography or masterbation? You NEED to gain sexual reference point.
Money for sex? That's not bad. You paid $500 for AM6 in the hope of being more attractive, i.e. for SEX. Another $500 for SM3 in hope for....... SEX.
Pheromones you bought to be attractive enough for SEX.
DMSI..... For SEX.
No matter how you put, you HAVE in some form PAID for SEX.
Stop denying yourself sex. Waiting for women has not made them **** you.
Not paying for sex has not made fuckable, only miserable.
Stop rationalizing, get you some pussy, wear a jimmy, and bring some ED pills just in case.
Porn ain't the answer
Masterbation ain't the answer
Abstaining ain't the answer
Subs ain't it
Pheros ain't it
Fleshlight ain't the answer
PUSSY is. You CAN **** prostitutes AND seduce women. It's not binary.
Am not cosigning the misery you yourself FORCE unto yourself bc you refuse to get what you can.
And I say this respectfully and without mocking you, face your reality,man.
It's not black or white. At the end of the day it's your opinion and beliefs that your rationalizing with your own logic.
Paying for self development is not the same as paying directly for sex.
And in my opinion it's unhealthy to pay for sex and unnatural, but again that's my opinion and I can't tell you i'm right, just like you shouldn't speak your opinion as if it's the truth.
Were all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs and each personality type is different. For some people paying for sex severely fucks them up mentally. For other people it doesn't.
everybody is different. Therefore I won't tell you how to live your life. Just my beliefs but unlike you I won't tell you this information and pretend it's 100 percent accurate.
But based on first hand experience I felt shitty about it. And I'm not uncomfortable with sex at all. I have no problem being naked with women and i'm very confident about my body and sexuality.
It all depends on your belief system, how you were raised and you're view of the world & personality type, how paying for sex will affect you is dependent on these things.
My best friend who banged over 40 escort model types in his life and has a relationship with a woman for 5 years tell me him banging these escorts makes him less attracted to his gf and not want to bang her. He is more pressured to cheat and pay for escorts because of the decisions he made in the past.
He LOVES his gf more then anything in the world but physically he is less attracted because of paying for these models & doesn't want to bang his gf as much as he should for a healthy relationship.
Now i'm not saying that will happen to everyone, but that's just one example of how paying for sex might negatively affect you.
For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
(03-06-2017, 11:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are just completely not getting why he hasn't used a hooker, and never will. Trust me on this one, because I get why he has not and will not:
He will never in a million years hire a hooker for sex. Take it as you will, but let it go already.
Of course if I am speaking for you, CatMan, and I am wrong, please accept my apologies - but I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
He's NOT doing good he needs at least an allieoop to himself.
Let that refusal go. He needs to FEEL it in his flesh that he actually had sex and that it's not a fluke, so that he can be okay with sex.
(03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Looks to me like Catman really needs some acceptance and intimacy from a woman. For all the talk of sex, and I might be wrong, I just see someone who wants romance
If acceptance is what he needs, then hiring hookers would simply reinforce that view that women have the control.
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
That's not what were talking about. It's about catman HELPING HIMSELF get pussy.
(03-06-2017, 11:48 PM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
That's not what were talking about. It's about catman HELPING HIMSELF get pussy.
Sarge talked about comparing buying water to buying sex. Buying water is a byproduct of capitalism and population growth and colonization.
Instead of suggesting he goes out and pay's for sex. The most ideal thing to do is pressure and encourage Catman to go approach 20 woman a day, or work on his flaws and strengthen his strengths.
There are other ways to get sex then pay for it. Although paying for it is obviously the easiest way.
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
I second that. As a man, we should have women wanting us due to their attraction and desire for us. Paying women to have sex with us, it's telling yourself you aren't as worthy as other guys who can get it for free.
In the stone ages when we had no money, men had to attract women with their masculinity. If you were beta, you don't get women. Point is: sex is free and has always been. This is how we should be getting some. When you're paying for it, it won't be satisfying and deep down you know she's not really into you.
What Darkness said.
Also:
(03-06-2017, 11:44 PM)Rayhon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2017, 11:40 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]For the love of...
Anyone here ever pay for a bottle of water? How about the water in your house, do you pay for that? What makes sex so immune to being paid for? Think about it.
Capitalism isn't how humans lived when we were created for thousands of years.
It's a man made idealogy that has pros and cons.
Sex was never about paying for it initially.
Just food for thought.
Back in the day you wanted water you go to a river and find it, you want a woman you use your value as a man to offer her protection in exchange for sex and affection and nurturing and babies.
Gotta keep in mind that Capitalism is relatively new.
Value =- money. Money has value. With money, a woman CAN be protected. It's just a different name. In the end an exchange of currency is taking place and a man IS paying for sex. Whether it be with his quick wit, "bad boy" attitude, fancy clothes, fame, strength, superior social skills, whatever.
Boil it down it all comes down to paying (in some form) for sex. So what's the big deal?