Subliminal Talk

I'm along the same track as you guys in believing that time spent on E2 should be cut back and cycled to get greater effects. Less is definitely more with this subliminal.

Day 95

(06-16-2016, 05:04 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, I tried to experiment with lesser hours just now, but... like Ben said, as soon as it feels like some emotions are coming or something's being processed I'm like "I FOUND YOU - TAKE THIS!" and bump up the hours as high as I can. Didn't affect me much until after 2 days or so, and then I got seriously tired, not feeling inspired to do anything no matter how much I slept. (yes, its always the eyes for me. I can't keep myself from rubbing them and then they feel even worse.) I'm about recovered now, and the tendency is to increase the hours until I overdo it again. Should take the delay into account.

Also, as Pau Ko apparently does the 2 hours per day in about 30 minute segments spread throughout the day, I'm trying something like that. I.e. listen for the whole night, and then 30-66 min segments throughout the day.

And Ben, its the same for me wrt. journaling. A couple of times I've had something to post, then I've written a long post, but when I look at it I'm thinking its too personal. Also now that I've written it (journaled for myself), I'm already 'done', as in what do I get from posting this personal thing that nobody understands with the proper background anyway - and then I discard it and just forget about it.

^^Thought that should go in my journal. Going to try and post light posts every now and then so hopefully I'll see some patterns later on.

I got inspired to go the gym! Its a been months since last time. That's because I got interested in doing calisthenics at home, then just daily light dumbbells+calisthenics+jogging for general health. Low cost in both money and time. But the gym feels inspiring again; its something goal oriented. I've also let myself get the fattest I'll allow myself to go (max waist diameter), so I'll have to start cutting down as well. Some sort of IF works well for me. I have allowed myself to eat quite a lot with E2. Maybe that should even be addressed in a future version, since people use eating for comfort and distraction.

I have been looking a little into active/concentration meditation again. (Basically just being very/fully engaged in some single thing.) The problem I had before was that I was straining too hard when doing it, and it got me in a bad mood. THIS seems like a good article for fixing just that. Though mostly I find myself just trying to make energy flow up my spine and back down along with my breath (the microcosmic orbit, I believe it was). Makes me feel good; energizes me a little when I'm sitting in a bus or something. All kinds of very interesting light sensations can be had reliably when 'breathing into' specific spots. I'll want to read a book about chakras or something soon. Though I'm not going to be doing that much in any day, so I guess I should decide to do either concentration or 'energy work' or whatever it is.

Female relations... well I'll say with the ones that know me they're very good (either very friendly or sexual, gf is very open), but if I had to approach new women I feel I couldn't do it in a million years. Though I guess I would if I had to. Actually I only want to talk to friendly people, regardless of gender. Also, everything seems like a bit of a (light) struggle recently so that might affect it.

E: I've been thinking I must be processing some victim mentality issues. Everything feels a little overwhelming or impossible, but not so much that I couldn't make myself do stuff. That's also what I felt when I last stopped using E2 day a couple of days (to try AOSI).

Day 97

I'm testing reduced hours, but just getting into it. The whole of yesterday felt a lot better than before; I felt I needed to sleep a lot, taking two long naps during the day (like today), but I also felt 'better'. I didn't feel good, in fact there was something like a sadness that I felt throughout the day, but it felt good in some way. This is more like I felt in the earlier stages with E2, and haven't for a while. I saw Ben is testing only listening during the day, and in light of some old experiences I think it could be a good idea. Also, I've always listened at night the two years, except for when I haven't been able to.

Then another thing. I don't know if its that I did AOSI for a few days sometime ago, or if its that I've been doing this 'energy circulation' thing throughout the days, but I've been watching a lot of porn recently. I think its almost daily now - at some point I didn't watch any in months. Not going all the way still, but its getting dangerously close. Today, a while ago, I watched some (btw... shana lane. holy shit, boys. there's just something about those feline faces like hers. I know a blonde like that - we went out but I didn't push it enough then. similar facial expressions.), and then took another long nap. Since then I've been feeling... pleasurable. Like I'm trying to keep my eyes from rolling over pleasurable. I was trying to read a book about TRE just now, but I can't concentrate at all; just like to breathe and make that circle go round 'n round.

E: Oh forgot, I think I'll make a playlist with 3 or 4 loops and just press play on that when I go to sleep. So later in the night, when I'm dreaming more, the sub will not be playing. I'll then do the remaining hours during the day and/or evening.

Day 98

Been reading David Berceli's The revolutionary Trauma release Process. I'm now at 77%, and he STILL hasn't gotten to the exercises! He's just describing all the different kinds of trauma and suffering that he has witnessed, and then there's even quite a bit of politics about how Americans should do this and that. Some of it is interesting, but come on.. get to it already. I have watched the dvd maybe a year ago already, so I know the one exercise where you shaking on your back, and then the sequence of exercises you can do prior to that one. I can't say I've ever felt any emotional releases from it, but its very interesting in theory - even if just for the psoas release.

I was getting quite long looks from women as I was walking around today, it was odd. Fortunately E2 has been working on something, since I've been able to hold people's gazes a lot better for a couple weeks now. Was also in a thinking mood today, contemplating about women and relationship-related stuff. Need to forgive myself on some issues (its about letting some girls get too attached emotionally - because I really really liked them - and then seeing them hurt later on).

Since the new AOSI will be getting all the fear-related programming from E2, I will be switching over either when its released or maybe just right away. Its a no-brainer really considering how much of an issue I've made this success with women thing be in my life. Also, whenever I feel really sexy I also feel really good about myself and am in an influential mood, so its like in my mind sexy = confident and successful. Just can't relax into this passive peacefulness, not right now in the beautiful summer at least. I do feel E2 has opened me up a lot, which is just awesome. Healthy people are very warm towards me, and I can be like that back towards them - and not feel like I wouldn't be good enough for it. For someone who just wants to 'be', or heal, or improve their relationships, or feels like everyone is against them, this is the sub to be on. Its made me belong in a way, I think.

I hate it when books never get to the point. It's like I wasted my money. :/

Yeah the exercises are a very small part of the book, they are just listed at the end. It just has all the theory and stories about it which I actually found interesting. I like his dvd better as it gives a better idea of how they are done and it helps me do them having a follow along instead of doing it myself.

It is interesting in a way, but it just feels like a rip off when you're reading the book and wondering if the exercises are going to come at 50%... 70%... 80% wtf... 88%, and then there are just a few pages. Should've skipped to the end the check the exercises, and then read those stories. But I wasn't sure about some things from the dvd alone, so I was actually doing the final exercise with the bottom of my feet always together, when now I realize your just supposed to end up in this relaxed position 'giving labor' position. Much better.

(06-19-2016, 10:45 PM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]It is interesting in a way, but it just feels like a rip off when you're reading the book and wondering if the exercises are going to come at 50%... 70%... 80% wtf... 88%, and then there are just a few pages.

Yeah. Hate that too. If a book is doing that I generally stop reading it because it's clear to me that they are just filling it up to have an excuse for a book.

(06-19-2016, 10:45 PM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]Should've skipped to the end the check the exercises, and then read those stories. But I wasn't sure about some things from the dvd alone, so I was actually doing the final exercise with the bottom of my feet always together, when now I realize your just supposed to end up in this relaxed position 'giving labor' position. Much better.

Hmm, I'll try that, thanks for the tip! (and I didn't have to read a hundred pages )

For what it's worth I did TRE for a while and it's best at physically relaxing you. But with E2 it pretty much simulates the TRE process for me without any of the trembling. I think TRE is great for what it is, but E2 is way more advanced and covers all that in a way that's less primitive I guess. Kind of like using a scalpel to remove traumas instead of a machete. It's just more refined I think.

I'm finding they seem to go together well and that E2 made me want to do TRE where before I was like "ahh I should" but I didn't get to it.

I actually had a dream about TRE last night, can't remember the details but it's like "ok more reason to do it".

Yeah E2 > TRE, but if you don't mind, why not do both? I actually thought TRE might help shake any resistance (muscle tension) to E2, so it could work better. But of course TRE can be done along with others programs, such as AOSI..

(06-20-2016, 11:18 PM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah E2 > TRE, but if you don't mind, why not do both? I actually thought TRE might help shake any resistance (muscle tension) to E2, so it could work better. But of course TRE can be done along with others programs, such as AOSI..

TRE for me brought up some stuff to the surface, too much stuff at once. The problem was I did these TRE sessions and it stuck around for days. It's sort of like opening a valve and it all comes pouring out at once, there's really no way to regulate it other than stopping. It would be like going back to E1. The problem with that program was there was no regulation so you overwhelmed yourself with what was brought up.

Also I try to limit as many variables as possible when using Shannon's subliminals. I like to think it helps him further refine these products by knowing what he can improve or change. If I throw too many variables into the mix it's hard to determine what did what.

(06-21-2016, 05:39 AM)mat422 Wrote: [ -> ]TRE for me brought up some stuff to the surface, too much stuff at once. The problem was I did these TRE sessions and it stuck around for days. It's sort of like opening a valve and it all comes pouring out at once, there's really no way to regulate it other than stopping. It would be like going back to E1. The problem with that program was there was no regulation so you overwhelmed yourself with what was brought up.

It'd be interesting to know if you did it somehow differently to what I've been doing, because all I get is some relaxation. I've done 20-30 minute sessions, twice yesterday but that was abnormal. I'll do it daily for now and try to coax something out; at least I think it helps by relaxing my lower back a little, which is worth it by itself.

In the book I read Berceli wrote that if you do encounter lots of emotional turmoil, you can just do it less. How much did you do? He writes: "If you don’t have an intense adverse reaction to the exercises, you can practice them every other day for a month. Taking this approach helps to orient your body to the shaking and allows you to gradually decrease the tension in your body. After a month you can reduce the number of times you do the exercises to approximately twice a week. If you do them less than this, your body may once again begin to accumulate stress and tighten up."

Hmm interesting, I do TRE from one of the dvd's so I do it most of that time they are demonstrating. But i've also been listening to my body, yesterday and the time before I got to the point I had this strong feeling of "ok that's all I can handle for today" and I stopped. Maybe you're going past that point Mat.

When I did TRE in the past more emotions did come up, but this time I haven't noticed it or maybe i'm not attributing it to TRE. I feel like E2 may be making those things easier to deal with aswell compared to when I did TRE alone.