Subliminal Talk

Final EPRHA 2.0 SUPER OFFICIAL Review!

Okay guys. In short, this week has overall been the best week I've had in a long time. Having said that, I'll go over the negatives first and end with the positives.

Last weekend I went SUPER HAM on porn. I feel like I was feeling like by watching porn, I could express my sexuality since I didn't have any girls to fuck. So this was to the extreme last weekend

Earlier on in the week, I had WAY more anxiety than I had felt in a VERY VERY long time. It made me think that either E2 fucked me up or that I somehow buried that really really deep. It was gone after a day

I felt lots of boredom. This was gone the following day.

I had the thought that "Girls just don't like me". And I literally couldn't think of any reason why. My only downside is that my bodyfat isn't single digit yet (and since I've been back in class, it's at 18%).

And I usually hang out with a friend on Fridays because I have a little bit of extra time and it's usually the most fun thing of the week. Well today that didn't happen because people were busy. And I felt bored. Plus I have an excess of work to get done through the week. I just think this is a regular reaction to the circumstance, it wasn't excess boredom like earlier in the week

I had those mini headaches WAY more frequently throughout the week. Yesterday was like a long lasting headache.

The Good
Okay. So you guys know how I felt so bad while on E2? This week, I was feeling awesome by the end of Tuesday. And it only got stronger as more days passed.

Social fluidity? Back and in full swing baby
Social confidence? It's back too!
Daily creativity? It's REALLY back! I thought it was gone, but it's all back!

So pretty much pre E2 it felt like I had to always think "I'm gonna go talk to X" and do it. This week, it was like I just did it without as much effort. It was awesome.

You know how I felt totally stifled in my dance class? It's A WHOLE LOT better now that I stopped listening! I felt more calm. I actually made conversation with the people in that class without having to force myself. Some of the basic warmup stuff that we do, I actually KNOW what we're doing (and I haven't had time to practice outside of class). Even one of the new things we were taught, I got it on my first try! I actually understand the dance moves we're doing.

In one of my writing classes, we were all talking and giving feedback about someone's story. I had read it before and part of it I just didn't understand. I look at it again the morning of and I get it right then. In class, everyone is giving feedback on it and then I notice something about the story that needs to be revised. I noticed it right then and it's something where when you read it, the mind tends to autocorrect it without you seeing the error. Out of like twenty other students and the teacher, I'm the one to point it out. The teacher said it was a good thing to see since no one else saw it.

It's been a long long time since I felt this way but it feels good to be me. Looking back, it feels like E2 somehow put limiters on my personality and thought processing to go deep and deal with issues. Either that, or the subconscious was just that overloaded with processing.

I'm just so glad to be off of E2. I've been WAY more productive (kinda have to with the work that's due this weekend).

Moving Forward

So no matter what angle I think about it from, DMSI 2.4 is the next step for me. Clearing in that direction would be beneficial. I won't lie though. I would enjoy having sex and that is the goal of the program, but I don't expect 2.4 to help that much in that direction. If it does, great, but if not then okay. As long as I know the program is benefiting me in some way that's great.

I'd just like to clear some stuff regarding girls and sex so that it's much easier for me to just make it happen at will. If 2.4 can raise my happiness/fun levels even more and make me self-assured and self-confident 100% of the time I'll be grateful. Honestly, with how much resistance fighting tech is in it, I can't believe that someone can even stonewall it.

DMSI 2.4 starts tomorrow.

Edit: I'd probably be watching porn this weekend because I'm really horny, but I promised myself I wouldn't...dammit lol.

Interesting, this makes me think that for the goals of E2 i'm making a mistake only listening days. Because i'm seeing parts of my personality seem to reawaken like assertiveness and such where before I just felt numb and my opinions were kind of numbed too. Hmm.

(10-21-2016, 04:35 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting, this makes me think that for the goals of E2 i'm making a mistake only listening days. Because i'm seeing parts of my personality seem to reawaken like assertiveness and such where before I just felt numb and my opinions were kind of numbed too. Hmm.

Maybe it's just different for different people.

One thing I realized during E2 is that I usually push myself and go balls to the walls when really I need to turn it down a few notches. Like going to the gym. I had no problem gyming while sore. And if I felt like I was about to get sick, I'd still gym most of the time and end up sick. I know now that I need to calm down sometimes. Overall I feel like I like living my life in the Yang but I had no choice but to live life in the Yin during E2.

Porn really over-stimulates your dopamine levels and leaves you depleted and receptive to anxiety, brain-fog, and general social inertness. Especially if you binge on it. Be careful friend. Have fun with DMSI, enjoyed reading this journal.

(10-21-2016, 05:21 PM)PDjunkie Wrote: [ -> ]Porn really over-stimulates your dopamine levels and leaves you depleted and receptive to anxiety, brain-fog, and general social inertness. Especially if you binge on it. Be careful friend. Have fun with DMSI, enjoyed reading this journal.

Porn caused me to develop poor confidence, terrible brain fog that took a long time to start clearing and still is there, self worth issues and porn-induced erectile dysfunction among other problems. Took me a good 10 months of abstaining just to get erection function back when seated or laying down. Even still now, 496 days since first starting my no PMO journey, I can't maintain an erection while standing, which takes the longest to come back as it's the toughest erection to maintain, sadly. Trust me, even if guys THINK porn is harmless...it isn't, it causes serious effects in the brain doctors are only now just starting to become aware of. Activating the same parts of the brain that drugs do. This only became an issue once high speed internet was available, something like a Playboy magazine wasn't capable of causing such Dopamine and Delta Fos B production in the brain.

I've learned my lesson, believe me.

(10-21-2016, 05:28 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I've learned my lesson, believe me.

I hear you man. I've had similar issues before that I wasn't aware that was even caused by my long time porn habit. Not to that magnitude thank god, but enough to change my life when I stopped doing it. Once you find out what it really does it's hard to keep your mouth shut about it.

I noticed OP said that he binged on porn heavily on the weekend then wondered why he had bad anxiety the following days. It's easy to see that connection, having experienced it myself.

Porn always gives me a boost for doing sales oddly. Days where I don't look at porn I got no mojo and can't stand people.

I think I'm Bizzarro. lol.

(10-21-2016, 05:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Porn always gives me a boost for doing sales oddly. Days where I don't look at porn I got no mojo and can't stand people.

I think I'm Bizzarro. lol.

That's because it literally acts as a drug against your brain's neurochemistry.

Addicted to cigarettes and haven't had a smoke? You'll definitely feel worse for it.

Just to clarify, that level of anxiety was more than likely tied to coming off E2.

The other times I went ham on porn I didn't experience any extra anxiety after. I actually felt relieved to not be thinking about sex that much. Only closer to the end of my E2 run did I start to still think sexual thoughts when I see a hot girl the day after I had a porn session.

But I see CatMan's point. He's been telling me. So I'm gonna try to listen. The big thing though is that I promised myself for this weekend so I have to keep it.

And though this isn't the point, you're saying if I get a magazine with hot girls in it and get off to that then it doesn't the same effects as porn?

Then again if DMSI pulls through and I get a real girl, I don't have to worry about any of this

(10-21-2016, 05:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Porn always gives me a boost for doing sales oddly. Days where I don't look at porn I got no mojo and can't stand people.

I think I'm Bizzarro. lol.

That happened to me a lot, bud.

It took a long time to break the hold it had on me.

Actually, I read the material from Dr. Wilson on that life-changing site, actually due to a link posted HERE. I realised I had many of the issues he spoke of for awhile, but didn't know why or that they were all connected. Only after applying myself, and abstaining for a long period of time, did I truly SEE what it was doing to me and in such a large scale. A lot of my views of women were unhealthy and terrible, too, and those have been changed as well. Alongside the problems I mentioned earlier. I now feel compelled to tell as many guys about it as I can, because I know how damaging it truly is and have come back, almost fully now, from the dark abyss, lol.

Here is the link posted here (thank you SO much to whoever that beast is who did it the name escapes me now) that changed everything for me for anyone who is willing to watch from Dr. Wilson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

EDIT: Ideally Maxx, you don't want any porn. Pictures are FAR less damaging than HD streaming video of crazy, insane kinky shit going on WAY outside normal sexual reality. But still, once you break the chain of addiction, it won't have a hold on you anymore. Porn doesn't interest me now, I think it's boring and lame to watch some other dude slam a hot girl, I've beaten it, I'd rather BE that guy now instead of creepily watch some dude get laid. That's what porn is, reframe it to that, would you want to go watch a guy in person get laid? Gross. The only drawback is, it takes a LONG time for porn addictions to wither and for you to start getting back to normal. Even now, after 496 days, I at best get a slight twitch from my member when I'm around a girl I really like, not exactly a full erection. It all depends on how often you've watched, how long, how far removed from normal sexual reality the porn is, and a RNG of how well you heal from it's effects after stopping. Some guys, several months, others have taken up to 2 years if they started real young and have no real sexual experience, like me.

(10-21-2016, 05:42 PM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Just to clarify, that level of anxiety was more than likely tied to coming off E2.

The other times I went ham on porn I didn't experience any extra anxiety after. I actually felt relieved to not be thinking about sex that much. Only closer to the end of my E2 run did I start to still think sexual thoughts when I see a hot girl the day after I had a porn session.

But I see CatMan's point. He's been telling me. So I'm gonna try to listen. The big thing though is that I promised myself for this weekend so I have to keep it.

And though this isn't the point, you're saying if I get a magazine with hot girls in it and get off to that then it doesn't the same effects as porn?

Then again if DMSI pulls through and I get a real girl, I don't have to worry about any of this

The way I see it, your subconscious mind can not differentiate between that which is real and that which is imagined. When you self-pleasure to images of porn and sex you send the signal that you are getting all of that. So your brain and physiology does not have to work as hard anymore to emit those attractive frequencies/signals and thus responses.

Running a sub will help greatly to fix the negatives put in the mind from pornography, but not nearly as efficiently as when you don't contradict the sub with information that when processed contradicts the new information you are submitting.

(10-21-2016, 05:45 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2016, 05:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Porn always gives me a boost for doing sales oddly. Days where I don't look at porn I got no mojo and can't stand people.

I think I'm Bizzarro. lol.

That happened to me a lot, bud.

It took a long time to break the hold it hold on me.

Actually, I read the material from Dr. Wilson on that life-changing site, actually due to a link posted HERE. I realised I had many of the issues he spoke of for awhile, but didn't know why or that they were all connected. Only after applying myself, and abstaining for a long period of time, did I truly SEE what it was doing to me and in such a large scale. A lot of my views of women were unhealthy and terrible, too, and those have been changed as well. Alongside the problems I mentioned earlier. I now feel compelled to tell as many guys about it as I can, because I know how damaging it truly is and have come back, almost fully now, from the dark abyss, lol.

Here is the link posted here (thank you SO much to whoever that beast is who did it the name escapes me now) that changed everything for me for anyone who is willing to watch from Dr. Wilson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Reminds me of characters like Roosh who display various clearly conflicting beliefs. On the one hand only praising the traditional morality of monogamy, nuclear families, non extra-marrital affairs, early marriage. On the other hand expressing disdain for 99% of the female population and encouraging pornography and behaviour which goes against his ideal beliefs. Can't be healthy to have those battles going on internally; it prevents growth IMO. Just a thought.

I will check out that link

(10-21-2016, 05:50 PM)PDjunkie Wrote: [ -> ]Reminds me of characters like Roosh who display various clearly conflicting beliefs. On the one hand only praising the traditional morality of monogamy, nuclear families, non extra-marrital affairs, early marriage. On the other hand expressing disdain for 99% of the female population and encouraging pornography and behaviour which goes against his ideal beliefs. Can't be healthy to have those battles going on internally; it prevents growth IMO. Just a thought.

I will check out that link

Absolutely! Great insight, I've shared that as well.

I like Roosh, he has a lot of good info to wake up naive blue pillers. I learned a lot. But quickly, I realised that the info there was very compartmentalised and limited, and you had these rigid concepts that didn't seem flexible to grow with and develop, it felt very stifled and dehumanising to both genders. They seemed to contradict to me, too. I feel their anger and resentment towards women were things I didn't want, I went through that phase after having my eyes opened up, listening to Tom Leykis etc., then I wanted more and was able to let go of a lot of anger and resentment and "I'll make "them" pay!" feelings.

He definitely has a place, and I'm glad he is around to wake men up, as is Tom Leykis. But, as I've said to others before, you learn some stuff there, get educated on how things are, but then you have to move on or you end up becoming a hate movement just like feminism has become.

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -Harvey Dent

No, I definitely wouldn't just stand there and watch some other guy get laid. If I'm not in the action, I wouldn't watch lol.

And okay, CatMan. I know I've said it before...but I will seriously seriously make the effort to drop porn.

Is it okay to fantasize and masturbate? I have a good imagination.

I just hope DMSI doesn't make me any more horny than I already am.