Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[EvolvingPhoenix]

LTU6?! Damn, LTU5 didn't come out that long ago! You're already working at light speed, I'm not expecting you to move faster than that.

[Hanpan]

Shannon i really hope Ltu6 comes out soon. I have serious problems with anxiety and would love ARA in LTU. LTU5 has helped me a lot but I’m still troubled by some things. By the way, can you have anxiety for no reason? Like no actual thing you are anxious about but just have an anxious nature? I for example have much more anxiety when being away from home but it subsided when I get home. However I have really bad anxiety in the mornings some times even when at home.

LTU6 will come out when I have the component upgrades ready.  When that is, I don't know.  But... ARA is in LTU5.

You cannot have anxiety for no reason, as Ben has said.  "No apparent reason" just means "subconscious fear that I don't know the cause of".  And as Ben said, a "fearful nature" is basically just a habit of being afraid of everything subconsciously as your coping mechanism.

LTU6 is coming.  Be patient.  I can only go so fast with this stuff.

Hey Shannon

Do you have any clue about whether LTU will be in 2019 or not? Not trying to rush you at all - I know that A LOT of components have to go into this sub and that you have other subs scheduled. I've had to use ARA since it was released due to an above-average workload. I can probably stop using the sub in two weeks and maybe move to DMSI, but if LTU is coming out in the foreseeable future, I'll stay on ARA since I really enjoy it.

LTU6 most likely isn't coming out in 2019.  I have too much stuff to develop for the upgrades, and just working on FRM is taking forever lately.

Makes sense. An even more powerful ARA would also be great in LTU6. Does any of your testers have any experience with long term benefits of using ARA for 3+ months?

As mentioned I'm considering pros and cons of staying on this sub vs. moving to a new one in a few weeks

[Shannon]

Shannon i really hope Ltu6 comes out soon. I have serious problems with anxiety and would love ARA in LTU. LTU5 has helped me a lot but I’m still troubled by some things. By the way, can you have anxiety for no reason? Like no actual thing you are anxious about but just have an anxious nature? I for example have much more anxiety when being away from home but it subsided when I get home. However I have really bad anxiety in the mornings some times even when at home.

LTU6 will come out when I have the component upgrades ready.  When that is, I don't know.  But... ARA is in LTU5.

You cannot have anxiety for no reason, as Ben has said.  "No apparent reason" just means "subconscious fear that I don't know the cause of".  And as Ben said, a "fearful nature" is basically just a habit of being afraid of everything subconsciously as your coping mechanism.

LTU6 is coming.  Be patient.  I can only go so fast with this stuff.

Hey Shannon

Do you have any clue about whether LTU will be in 2019 or not? Not trying to rush you at all - I know that A LOT of components have to go into this sub and that you have other subs scheduled. I've had to use ARA since it was released due to an above-average workload. I can probably stop using the sub in two weeks and maybe move to DMSI, but if LTU is coming out in the foreseeable future, I'll stay on ARA since I really enjoy it.

LTU6 most likely isn't coming out in 2019.  I have too much stuff to develop for the upgrades, and just working on FRM is taking forever lately.

Makes sense. An even more powerful ARA would also be great in LTU6. Does any of your testers have any experience with long term benefits of using ARA for 3+ months?

As mentioned I'm considering pros and cons of staying on this sub vs. moving to a new one in a few weeks

None of the testers has used it as long term programming.

[Benjamin]

Yeah, I personally feel like some of the advice Greenduck has given me lately has been well intentioned, though misguided and unhelpful.

That's the thing, he's not doing it from a place of actually knowing or having achieved much in these areas.. he's doing it in the hope that he can feel helpful. And has in fact given some quite bad advice that could be damaging.

 

Yeah, I can tell he hasn't succeeded in those ares, because he still has the mindset that sometimes you just gotta eat shit and like it. Not a healthy mindset. Not the attitude of success.

As for asking strange questions, uh-oh! I didn't know you and Shannon had such a problem with questions not strictly related to our subliminal usages. I'm gonna have to put more thought into the possible level of perceived appropriateness regarding any question I ask from now on. I hope I haven't myself asked questions you and/or Shannon found bothersome. If so, you have my apologies, and if you answered them and I did not express gratitude, you have my sincere apologies for that as well and I would like to rectify that by expressing gratitude now. Thank you both for all the time and effort you put into customer service by answering our questions and generally helping us out! I'll pay more attention to the appropriateness of my questions from here on out.

It's more that there's been a couple of people in the past, including Greenduck now who like every day or two come up with more unusual and out there questions, like he asked one that makes sense on anxiety, then doesn't even respond to the answer to it, but instead a day or two later comes up with another one that really makes absolutely no sense at all. 

And has constantly done so. To take it to the extreme would be kind of like "Hey Shannon, what did you eat for breakfast, lunch and tea today?" and he spends time answering then a day later "Oh Shannon, what did you eat today, was it different than yesterday? How many times did you goto the toilet?".

Then I get annoyed at it, even after spending a huge amount of time going out of our way to help that person then they're like "oh you're just picking on me, I never did anything wrong, you're unprofessional and i'm totally innocent in all of this" after pushing it constantly. This is one of the common demoninators between the few people that got banned a while ago.

And the same people rarely seem to care about the effort put into help them, but as soon as I get annoyed at their continued behaviour they're yelling out about that as much as they can and acting innocent.

And they can never take any response back and just are oblivious to it.

So don't worry too much, you're fine. Like i've even said a few things to you like it's not helping your mindset to refer to yourself as a certain thing and you actually got it. Where the people i'm talking about would have a big post rationalizing it all and having no idea.

Yeah, I can see how that's frustrating. TBH I've gone down a very similar road, but worse. Just ask my online mentor. He's had the patience of a SAINT, ansseri g the SAME questions over and over again, sometimes taking hours to do so, only for me not to get it, repeat the same questions, not show appreciation , sometimes be unresponsive, and just generally waste his time and energy wothout showing him enough due acknowledgement or appreciation. I'm glad he's been so patient with me. I am TRYING to be better about that as best I can. And I contact him WAYY less, because I realize how much I was rudely and ungratefully draining precious time and energy je has little of. 

So I read what you say about Greenduck's behaviour and I can still see myself in it. It's good that I can though. It makes me more understanding of others behaving similarly.

But yeah, I understand that has to be frustrating.

In my humble opinion, I have noticed that some guys here who have unresolved daddy issues tend to play them out on Shannon, particularly those with absentee fathers. This tends to play out with the members making lots of noise just to get attention.

It's always a good idea to refine your questions Evolving Phoenix. I personally get sick when I see the same inane questions asked of Shannon and I usually avoid the forums when that becomes the norm. So in the interest of good quality readership, definitely ask only worthwhile questions.

I gave Greenduck a negative rating a few days ago because I see what Ben sees. He's not wrong in his assessment of Greenduck and the behaviour Greenduck is exhibiting is very similar to some other unsavory characters who got the boot earlier in the year.

The only other thing I'd add to the list of grievances is how he tries to influence Shannon into doing what he wants Shannon to do. It shows no respect for Shannon as an autonomous human being. I can understand where he took it from because Sarge used to run that same program but he needs to understand that behaviour is no longer acceptable.

Yep, good to see someone gets it. Anyway, I won't expand on it anymore as i've said everything i've needed to.

[Yous]

An idea has just come to mind, it would be expressed with the comparison of the subconscious with the disease or infection, the subliminals with medicine and bacteria, which allows the subconscious to continue with the disease by finding new forms of resistance. I don't know if this makes any sense and some kind of script could be added (if it isn't already) so that the cure (the subliminal) always goes one step ahead of the resistance, adapting the subliminal to it and not vice versa)

[EvolvingPhoenix]

"With today being the third day in a row, I find myself unable to work because the models are unstable. It is, to put it mildly, more than a little frustrating. Especially since that clearly means there is at least one variable I am not seeing that is affecting the answers, which I haven't been able to find since I started working on them in 2008.

That said, I have been working on figuring out some aspects of the FRM 4.9 and today's experiments produced a rather dramatic result that strongly suggests I am on the right path. So I can't really build anything until the models are functional again, but I am gathering more and more good stuff for FRM 4.9 when the time comes.
Subliminal Audio Specialist & Administrator

The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!"

THAT'S AWESOME! I can't wait for an updated FRM!

[Paul1131]

An idea has just come to mind, it would be expressed with the comparison of the subconscious with the disease or infection, the subliminals with medicine and bacteria, which allows the subconscious to continue with the disease by finding new forms of resistance. I don't know if this makes any sense and some kind of script could be added (if it isn't already) so that the cure (the subliminal) always goes one step ahead of the resistance, adapting the subliminal to it and not vice versa)

You mean as in how bacteria mutate to become resistant to antibiotics?

[Determined]

An idea has just come to mind, it would be expressed with the comparison of the subconscious with the disease or infection, the subliminals with medicine and bacteria, which allows the subconscious to continue with the disease by finding new forms of resistance. I don't know if this makes any sense and some kind of script could be added (if it isn't already) so that the cure (the subliminal) always goes one step ahead of the resistance, adapting the subliminal to it and not vice versa)

It's a nice idea but without any evidence it's just a conjecture. If you, I or Shannon were to build our reality upon conjectures alone, it would be like building a house upon shaky ground.

There's no smoke without fire and if what you're saying is true, then we'd see the effects of a constantly evolving subconscious...but we don't. Most people stay stuck in their ways unless they actively and consistently make a concerted effort to transcend their current level of limitation.

So while it is a nice thought, I don't think this analogy will have any bearing upon actual reality.

More to the point, it's perfectly reasonable for the subconscious to be resisting. It's sole purpose is to keep you alive and functioning. It hates chaos as chaos is unstable and prefers stability, something which is predictable, repeatable and safe. Even if that means avoiding women because they're associated with danger instead of pleasure. 

And once you achieve the level of personal development you desire, wouldn't you want your subconscious to anchor in those states so they become long lasting rather than fleeting? Hence the purpose of resistance.

[Yous]

An idea has just come to mind, it would be expressed with the comparison of the subconscious with the disease or infection, the subliminals with medicine and bacteria, which allows the subconscious to continue with the disease by finding new forms of resistance. I don't know if this makes any sense and some kind of script could be added (if it isn't already) so that the cure (the subliminal) always goes one step ahead of the resistance, adapting the subliminal to it and not vice versa)

It's a nice idea but without any evidence it's just a conjecture. If you, I or Shannon were to build our reality upon conjectures alone, it would be like building a house upon shaky ground.

There's no smoke without fire and if what you're saying is true, then we'd see the effects of a constantly evolving subconscious...but we don't. Most people stay stuck in their ways unless they actively and consistently make a concerted effort to transcend their current level of limitation.

So while it is a nice thought, I don't think this analogy will have any bearing upon actual reality.

More to the point, it's perfectly reasonable for the subconscious to be resisting. It's sole purpose is to keep you alive and functioning. It hates chaos as chaos is unstable and prefers stability, something which is predictable, repeatable and safe. Even if that means avoiding women because they're associated with danger instead of pleasure. 

And once you achieve the level of personal development you desire, wouldn't you want your subconscious to anchor in those states so they become long lasting rather than fleeting? Hence the purpose of resistance.

if we knew how to overcome resistance we would not have to try new things and we would not have to make conjectures and trial and error tests. However, thinking it better, I suppose that Shannon, having been researching this subject for many years, has probably already taken this possibility into account.

Without conjecture and without essays on these conjectures, science would never have advanced.

I think it is a possibility (it also may not be) because it happens to many at the beginning that we see all the possibilities of the sub and later the subconscious seems to be looking for ways to resist the script. Therefore, as I say in some people it could be perfectly tangible.

 It can also happen that we keep moving forward but when we get used to it we perceive less progress.

And well it is clear that in other people they work perfectly. I read your MLS newspaper and I thought it was incredible how well it worked for you and overall that it worked for you.

In any case, if my conjecture could be applied to some cases, I do not think it would harm others, however, as I said, it seems difficult that it is a theory not contemplated by Shannon, who has spent many years putting his effort into investigating fear and subconscious resistance

By the way and taking advantage of the moment, I noticed certain things during my MLS month. It happens to me that I notice the changes of state quickly, both in MLS and LTU. In MLS I noticed it to the point of sometimes having to stop it because of the accumulated energy. I noticed this more with the ultrasonic. However, with the headphones and the hybrid I relaxed a little more although in the end the same thing happened to me. Any suggestions on the use of MLS? I would like to return to it in the future.

[Yous]

On the other hand I understand perfectly what you say and it has its good part that resists, because once achieved the changes is the characteristic thanks to which these can be permanent. In any case, once the resistance has expired, whatever it is and how it is logical that the new change persists because the paradigm has changed.

We are not all the same and the models are logical to be made for the majority. The majority will probably work with the calculated ASBRs and some will work with the carpet bombing as a war between those who are already against the invaders who want to take the place (current subconscious against the new subliminal ideas that they want to implement). At this point we understand the perspective of the creator who needs to standardize and have some patterns with which to work and see what works or not for most and try to make adjustments in each case. Leaving everything to everyone to adapt listening to their needs and personal characteristics would be a bit anarchy. However, in my humble opinion, I think I could improve the success rate in spite of the chaos It could provide in the face of prediction, the models and knowing what it does, how, when and why. Anyway nobody knows Berger than Shannon, so his opinion surely will make change my mind.

[Yous]

An idea has just come to mind, it would be expressed with the comparison of the subconscious with the disease or infection, the subliminals with medicine and bacteria, which allows the subconscious to continue with the disease by finding new forms of resistance. I don't know if this makes any sense and some kind of script could be added (if it isn't already) so that the cure (the subliminal) always goes one step ahead of the resistance, adapting the subliminal to it and not vice versa)

You mean as in how bacteria mutate to become resistant to antibiotics?

Well it's just a theory. But yes you got it.

[Shannon]

Yous, I've already been working with that concept and have applied what is possible to apply for a long time. As for having everyone choose their own usage settings, I'm working on making that a part of the sub, but it is VERY hard to do apparently because it would lead to success, which means it also gets resisted in some cases. So I'm working on advancing the AutoConfig module over time.

Determined, parts of the subconscious are static and parts are dynamic. It's like a tree: the heartwood is the oldest, and it doesn't change. But the bark hides the new growing parts, and those are changing.

Ultimately, the challenge here is more complex than you would probably expect. The work I am doing on developing FRM 4.9 recently gives me hope though. I manually implemented part of it as an experiment yesterday, and the impact was immediate, profound and cleared out some deep old stuff quickly. I don't know how well this can be put into a subliminal script, but I'm going to try.

[Shadow2200]

FRM 4.9 is what is going to be implemented in the next version of dmsi?

[ncbeareatingman]

Yous, I've already been working with that concept and have applied what is possible to apply for a long time.  As for having everyone choose their own usage settings, I'm working on making that a part of the sub, but it is VERY hard to do apparently because it would lead to success, which means it also gets resisted in some cases.  So I'm working on advancing the AutoConfig module over time.  

Determined, parts of the subconscious are static and parts are dynamic.  It's like a tree: the heartwood is the oldest, and it doesn't change.  But the bark hides the new growing parts, and those are changing.

Ultimately, the challenge here is more complex than you would probably expect.  The work I am doing on developing FRM 4.9 recently gives me hope though.  I manually implemented part of it as an experiment yesterday, and the impact was immediate, profound and cleared out some deep old stuff quickly.  I don't know how well this can be put into a subliminal script, but I'm going to try.

All I Want to say is F**kin'  A on all of that Mr.IIML!!