Subliminal Talk - Jake's UMOP

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Day 33 - Friday 19th Oct 2018
(Time: 7.57pm) - (Cycle 4 - Day 6 - 2nd/4 cycles using 5 Loops)
Masked Trickling Stream track from now.

Definately sick with the cold.

Overall no change.

Day 34 - Saturday 20th Oct 2018
(Time: 2.52pm) - (Cycle 4 - Day 7 - 2nd/4 cycles using 5 Loops)
Masked Trickling Stream track from now.

Definately sick with the cold, woke up with terrible sore throat Sad

Overall no change.

Dream:
I had a dream, it was me wanting to kill eel like creatures that I felt were infesting I think homes and beaches etc.

I live nowhere near a beach nor been on a beach in years.

In this dream I was focused on wanting to kill these creatures and tried to get a friend involved. This friend is more an associate, someone I know from the year below that I have never hung out with so no idea why he was in it.

He didnt want to join me and I told him I could destroy all these eels with a spade.

The end of the dream was me walking the beach with him and suddenly I see a spider like crustacean and splat I hit it with 1 blow and it burst like a balloon and splattered onto me.

No idea what this dream means IF anything at all.

This is the end of my 4th cycle on UMOP.

Cycle 1 and 2 were 1 loops, cycle 3 and 4 so far have been 5 loops.

30days with hybrid trickling stream and now from 31-60days is masked tricking stream.

I will now have 2 days break and then start cycle 5.

So far 34 days and no change Sad

Day 35 - Sunday 21st Oct 2018
(Time: 2.45pm) - (Cycle 4 - complete - 2nd/4 cycles using 5 Loops)
Masked Trickling Stream track from now.

Day 1 of break.

It seems that I have come to the end of my journey on UMOP.

I am a little sad about this. I had hoped that UMOP would have been executed by now by me but it hasnt.

First some data: Nothing had changed however I am still sick with the cold and my sore throat is better if not almost gone, however nasal congestion is strong. I dont know if this is due to resistance to UMOP, or due to the seasons changing or just bad luck but since its happened now and not earlier I deduct it to be less due to resistance.

The reason I have come to the end of my journey with UMOP is due to the quote I am posting below. I am glad I asked this question to Shannon, otherwise I would have carried on with UMOP and have been none the wiser to my time being wasted.

I have replied back to shannon to his reply below and once I get that reply I will share here in my journal as usual both for my reference and to help anyone reading my journal and following my journal.

My journal is both for myself but also for shannon first. The data here is to help him ofcourse as well as allow me to notice things incase I forget or fail to notice. However its also here to help anyone that can be helped from it which I hope it does in 1 way or another.

Thank you.

(10-20-2018, 08:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-20-2018, 05:35 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon Hey Buddy

Ive been on UMOP for 34days so far of which 15 have been 5loops. - no change as yet.

Did the models give any indication when I could see some change if any or is it simply a case of a change would be since anytime upto day 90?

Based on this do you feel the FRM would help me at all?

thanks in advance

They did not indicate when - only that 5 loops should be your second best results. I did not model anything else. I am of the opinion that you have done what I expected you to do, which is, you simply responded to what was forecast for you by adjusting to negate it. I had the feeling that you would do that, and that you would therefore "get no results".

I have run the models again on your situation, and they now show total failure for you at 5 loops per day. That would be what was expected if you were to adjust to the static 5 loops per day to intentionally prevent it from working.

I believe the FRM would help you immensely, as long as it was sufficiently advanced. I don't know if V2 would help you. But it is worth a shot, as is v3, which will be in DMSI 3.3. If you would like to try USLM2 for a while and see if FRMv2 helps, that could be helpful. But the choice of what to do is up to you, but I definitely want to see what DMSI 3.3 does for you when it comes out.

Day 36 - Monday 22 Oct 2018
(Cycle 4 - complete - 2nd/4 cycles using 5 Loops)
Masked Trickling Stream track from now.

Day 2 of 2 day break was today.

Nothing new to report.

According to my understanding of what Shannon wrote, its time to stop this sub and choose either USLM2 or DMSI 3.3. I choose 3.3 as it will have FRM v3 in it.

I assume I will need to have the usual 35days break so it will start from tomorrow - Tuesday 23rd Oct.

I am waiting to hear back from Shannon regarding all the questions I wrote in his journal, so when he replies, then I will update this journal according and course correct as I need to.

For now based on what he said and on my understanding of what he said, staying on this sub is failure for me every at 5 loops so I stop it now.

thanks

I used this sub for 45 days and had the same experience, i gave up, lost my money, i guess... I didn't continue for the 3 months because it seems a waste of time, had lots of resistance, my mind was looking for answers but i knew something was missing. In my experience, i get more results with subs that have H&C module or "A side", i will await for LTU 5.5g since it could have both USLM and UMOP, it sounds awesome with a H&C module.

(10-22-2018, 02:54 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: [ -> ]I used this sub for 45 days and had the same experience, i gave up, lost my money, i guess... I didn't continue for the 3 months because it seems a waste of time, had lots of resistance, my mind was looking for answers but i knew something was missing. In my experience, i get more results with subs that have H&C module or "A side", i will await for LTU 5.5g since it could have both USLM and UMOP, it sounds awesome with a H&C module.

Sorry to hear that @ianmarconi

Ive no idea when LTU will be released but maybe get DMSI 3.3 when its out as it will have the FRM v3 in it which may be of better use?

Im still sick (missed 7 days of uni so far) Sad

but thought I should update some information to my journal and also update while I wait on @Shannon to get back to me regarding the money back for UMOP as per my previous entries here and on his discussion thread.

UPDATE
Stopped this sub on 23rd Tuesday.

35 days break will therefore end on 26th November 2018

If DMSI 3.3 is released by then I should be able to start from 27th November.

I realised that the self talk I have that I am aware of that keeps occurring is " I cant be bothered, or I cant be arsed/assed"

I see this self talk and my behaviour as self sabotage. I therefore hope that subs such as UMOP deal with this @Shannon

In other news, I had a match with a girl on Tinder (calling her Tindergirl #1) from here in Europe maybe 6-12months ago. I randomly log on to tinder and send her a HEY message. I dont have my pics on tinder as I dont believe in social media and due to the recent failures in the protection of data is clear a small carbon footprint will do wonders for ones soul if not for the ozone layer lol

Anyway so 3 days ago she finally replied, and its been a whirlwind tbh where its clear to her she wants to date me and have a polyamorous/open kind of relationship of some kind in some ways.

We've been talking on the phone even though im sick and unwell.

She is supposed to come over tomorrow and stay over, even though shes going to start her crimson wave around now and im sick but today im deciding to postpone this for those reasons but mostly cos im too sick and yup I cant be bothered lol

Another girl from tinder (TG#2) that talked to me but disappeared maybe around march (I cant recall and cant be bothered to find out since shes not important to me) got back in touch days ago too and told me she got into a relationship and disappeared but basically its clear she wants to fuck me.

I dont see these developments as anything to do with DMSI or TID at all. Yes its nice and a surprise but it would be wrong for all to jump on this and claim its a victory for the subs when so far I have seen no evidence that the subs work for me or on me, except for no fap on 1 loop of 3.2. I hope however that in time I can join the others that have had success from the subs here.

other news: I have lost it seems 3 friends in 1 week last week due to the behaviour of these 3 girls towards me. 1 of them was potsgirl, someone those of you following my journals will be aware of. I was down about 2 of these and more so about potsgirl and then i got sick. I however dont care now and havent done after a day of realising I deserve better anyway!

I finally got my finger out of my ass and wrote the extensive 12-15page email i wanted and needed to, to the personal trainer I have found in the UK that will be helping me online in my quest for good health and the body beautiful. I sent him the email last night, after procrastinating on it as well as wasting time with the tinder girl #1 on the phone. Its fun but I was always frustrated and wanted her to just piss off so I can get on with things lol.

anyway thats the news so far folks and hopefully some data for @Shannon

thanks

Continuing with UMOP - today listened to 5 loops - Tuesday 30th October 2018

Have to make this short as must study for a test tomorrow and already have not (time 5.26pm)

Will update journal fully later and calculate what day im on etc.

I have had a lot of contact with Shannon and so for record and understanding I will share the correspondence below and then start my update once again.

For @Shannon and others that want to, you can skip these and continue from where my update re-starts if you like.

(10-29-2018, 09:26 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-28-2018, 04:11 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Hey mate

After my 2 days break, ive missed 7 days due to our communication and my understanding that I was to fail the 5 loops.

Ill get back onto UMOP, so do I restart the count as day 1 or shall I continue, and this is so that if the sub doesnt work then I get the money back - and of course if it works it gives you fresh data?

Get back on it, and at the end of three months we'll assess whether or not you want a refund. Under normal circunstances, this would have invalidated you, but there are a couple of factors in play that make this a special case, so I'm willing to be flexible in this specific case.

Quote:I am up for jumping on DMSI 3.3 but you said FRM v3 will be included in UMOP so after the full 90 days I can then decide on how to move next based on what subs are available.

All I care about is executing and as you know I have done that in the past with 3.2 at 1 loop. Not at more than 1 loop. So hope you can figure out why i did then and not now.

Only variable was that then I was using headphones.

thanks

(10-27-2018, 02:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-21-2018, 03:30 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-20-2018, 08:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-20-2018, 05:35 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon Hey Buddy

Ive been on UMOP for 34days so far of which 15 have been 5loops. - no change as yet.

Did the models give any indication when I could see some change if any or is it simply a case of a change would be since anytime upto day 90?

Based on this do you feel the FRM would help me at all?

thanks in advance

They did not indicate when - only that 5 loops should be your second best results. I did not model anything else. I am of the opinion that you have done what I expected you to do, which is, you simply responded to what was forecast for you by adjusting to negate it. I had the feeling that you would do that, and that you would therefore "get no results".

I have run the models again on your situation, and they now show total failure for you at 5 loops per day. That would be what was expected if you were to adjust to the static 5 loops per day to intentionally prevent it from working.

I believe the FRM would help you immensely, as long as it was sufficiently advanced. I don't know if V2 would help you. But it is worth a shot, as is v3, which will be in DMSI 3.3. If you would like to try USLM2 for a while and see if FRMv2 helps, that could be helpful. But the choice of what to do is up to you, but I definitely want to see what DMSI 3.3 does for you when it comes out.
Thanks for taking the time to reply as always @Shannon

1) Can I get my money back therefore for UMOP as it hasnt worked after following instructions? if not then must I use it for 90days for this since we both now know it will only fail for me?

We both know it will fail for you? You didn't read what I wrote. I wrote that you changed the forecast. You can also change it to success. So based on that, and the fact that our refund policy is what it is, and the fact that FRM will probably be making its way into the UMOP script in the not too distant future, I suggest you continue along for the time being. There is still hope.

After three months if you still haven't gotten results, I'll be glad to refund you, but you have to at least follow the time specifications on the instructions for the refund policy to qualify since we changed the loops for you.

Quote:2) I understand. I havent intentionally done anything except tried both 3 loops and then 5 loops and just sad its not worked even now. I have shared whatever data I thought I could and should as always and will remain to do this openly going forward too so please do watch for my next journal.

Do you suppose your resistance is unintentional? Accidental? I think not. You may not consciously be resisting, but you are resisting with intent subconsciously, and the proof is in your track record. I will point out to you that you have resisted 100% of my subs to the point of no results so far, if I understand correctly. Now that would mean that one of the following is true:

A) My subs simply don't work, 100% of the time. We can safely rule that out, given the fact that we could not stay in business if that were the case.
B) You are intentionally adjusting your response to each sub to prevent it from working 100% of the time.

My mother used to do this thing where she would resist any forecast made for her, no matter who made it or what it said, because subconsciously, she took it as "being told what to do". This included the prediction my maternal grandfather made that she would have no children (the doctors told her that having me would put her life at risk, but she did it anyway), and every single forecast I ever made for her - with the exception of those she didn't know about.

If she knew about them, they failed to come to pass 100% of the time. If not, they succeeded about 90% of the time.

One of my friends (who does not believe that any prediction is possible outside of mathematics) does the exact same thing. If he knows about it, 100% failure rate. If not, ~90% success rate.

Now think about this... chance would be 50%. So we can safely and definitely conclude that statistically speaking, neither case is chance. It is A) the intentional actions and choices of the person to defeat and change the forecast future to something else, or it is a successful forecast in most cases.

Your track record tells me without a doubt that at some level, you are intentionally resisting and preventing the outcome.

Quote:3) Since you want me to try FRM, isnt it possible my subconscious will do the same as it has with 5loops and negate that because you have said try FRM? or am I misunderstanding things here?

Anything is possible. I suggest you remain on UMOP, though. I have to observe the refund policy on the time at least, since I instructed you to change the number of loops.

Quote:4) I feel based on many factors which ill share, that its best I wait for DMSI 3.3 rather than jump onto USLM2 in haste:

a) I know of 1 member that has had reversal resistance on USLM2, and presume as i am a difficult resistant type that thus it may not work for me. (I read posts and came across 1 member but dont read everything so apologise if there are more with resistance on USLM2)

b) I would much rather go for the stronger tech than try and hope that FRM.v2 works. I have in the past chosen subs for a purpose but then jumped onto DMSI for the sole reason of trying to get to the tech that will assist me to execute and only jumped onto UMOP as this was and had always been the 1 sub that I knew I needed most of all. Alas now im back at square 1 so thus will only remain on DMSI until we get me executing.

c) 3.3 will start build around 20th November you said, so makes better sense to wait for that.

d) For me USLM2's effects would be a tricky one to notice, I feel. I feel overall that im a fortunate and lucky guy. At times things just happen for me and I notice these things and then show gratitude each and everytime that it happened. Therefore unless I win the lottery which I dont play or suddenly come into wealth of some large extreme measure I wouldnt be able to notice execution of this sub I feel thus much better to try 3.3 as its results will be beyond obvious in terms of not fapping, not wasting time with porn, getting fitter physically, eating right, looking after myself and overall and most of all getting female attention and females trying to get me.

e) Both YOU and I are eager to see how 3.3 with the v3 of FRM works on me.

Once DMSI 3.3 comes out, I plan to add FRM v3 to UMOP and USLM. So you can then use UMOP with FRMv3 and see what happens, and still be eligible for a refund if it still fails.

Quote:5) Shall I therefore take 35days break now in anticipation of DMSI 3.3?

Not advised if you want a refund. Otherwise, have at it.

Quote:6) When DMSI 3.3 is made and released, would it be better I start the same as every one else or would you prefer to perform a modelling forecast for me with it, so we can hit the ground running at the best number of loops?

I will not be modeling for you again, since I see now that you're likely to go out of your way to prevent it from coming to pass. That is a big part of why I don't use the models for individuals very often.

When 3.3 is made and released, though, if you decide to forego a refund on UMOP and decide to run DMSI 3.3, you should follow the instructions, whatever they are.

Quote:I am glad that I didnt in haste spend more money on devices to try the 11loop since now we know (though im not fully sure how) that my subconscious will negate any effects you inform me of. I dont recall you telling me anything about 5loops or 11loops except that the models said that they would work really well and to me this is no different to each and every time I have bought a sub, with the proviso that the sub will work 100% as the sales page suggests it would. Therefore I hope that whatever the issues are for me not executing can be resolved with your help.

I think 11 loops might have actually worked regardless of your resistance. But we will never know.

Quote:My goal is same as yours, to get past whatever obstacles are preventing me from fully executing so that you can make the best subs on the planet and I can of course execute and benefit. If you recall the 1 time I am 100% sure that I executed was on 1 loops with headphones on 3.2. I still believe 1 loop with headphones perhaps is the best way for me to execute but im throwing this in there incase its data you can consider for me.

Your conscious goal may be the same as mine, but it is clearly not your subconscious goal.

Quote:That being said, thank you for allowing me to be part of this journey with IML and even though im sad about UMOP, after 3 years im still optimistic that I can be helped.

We will continue doing what we can. But once 6G comes out, there is nothing left to try: it either works for you or it doesn't, and that's that.

Quote:Thanks in advance buddy!

addendum:
I just realised that I havent noticed any TID from 3.3 so does this mean I already wont execute that too?

It means either:

A) You won't be running DMSI 3.3 like you thought you would, or
B) You are still far enough away from start to resist the TID effects.

End of my correspondences with @Shannon and below ill recommence my update tonight after which ill re-edit my signature.

Today is Thursday November 1st 2018 at 7.07pm

NOTE1:

Quote:Continuing with UMOP - today listened to 5 loops - Tuesday 30th October 2018

Have to make this short as must study for a test tomorrow and already have not (time 5.26pm)

Will update journal fully later and calculate what day im on etc.

NOTE2:

Quote:Day 36 - Monday 22 Oct 2018
(Cycle 4 - complete - 2nd/4 cycles using 5 Loops)
Masked Trickling Stream track from now.

Day 2 of 2 day break was today.

Based on the above:
- This is now my 5th cycle.
- This is my 3rd day
- After the 2 day break, I stopped for 7 days and now restarting - these 7 days will be included in my update to follow below soon.

Therefore:

Day 39 is Today Thursday 1st November 2918
Cycle 5 - 3rd out of 5 cycles with me using 5 loops.
Masked Trickling Stream.
7 days on - 2 days off/break.

I have actually a lot to share so will post this up now incase I forget the above calculations lol

For anyone following my journal, please feel free to calculate the above and let me know if im wrong in anyway.

thank you.

Update to follow...

addendum: signature updated

Update: Day 39 is Today Thursday 1st November 2918 - (Day 3 of 7).
Cycle 5 - (3rd out of 5 cycles with me using 5 loops).
Masked Trickling Stream.

I stopped UMOP and had my 2 day break as you will have all read (read posts above if you need to know why).

I then didnt listen for 7 days and now I am back on UMOP and on my 3rd day.

I feel alot has happened both in the 7 days that are nothing to do with UMOP but perhaps more what DMSI should have done for me and then the 3days that I restarted have either done nothing and the change is due to a pressing deadline (ie my usual procrastinatory behaviour) or UMOP has done something in which case im at the start of execution.

Read on to find out more and hopefully this data will be helpful to @Shannon

i) The 7 Day break
So I mentioned some girls and this is the info here.

I found 3 girls on Tinder. 1 I found on a site.

Girl number 1 I found maybe 1 month ago - so far nothing has happened there except decreasing number of messages via a chat app. She had invited me to join her 1 night at a strip club for drinks. I was exhausted and declined her offer. I dont even fancy her much tbh and so am not really chasing her and thus the messages have reduced in number.

Site girl I met online around a month or so ago. She has become someone I chat to also in a declining manner and she unlike these other girls is in the UK for now. I also dont really fancy her but shes lingering around due to a failing marriage that she has chosen to end.

Girl 2 is from Tinder, and she lost touch with me over summer, and is back in touch and this was due to getting into a relationship with a guy she met. She's from here, however she's not really my type either and bores me now.

Girl 3. Met her around 5 days ago. Day 1 she tells me she loves me later to reveal her meaning love was her attraction/attachment to me. Day 2 she is really in love with me and into me. We video chat and shes not seeking a casual relationship with me but something more real and longterm. She has masturbated on video chat infront of me without me even asking or expecting it but I only saw her facial reactions which were hilarious as she looked as if she was crying haha. Anyway we planned for her to come over tonight and stay at mine for atleast 1 night if not 2.

2 days ago, so on the 3rd day she sent me a pic of her checking out a female pedestrian's ass on the street. I realised she was out and not at uni so asked her to just come over. Even though I have been sick with a heavy cold which I have documented here and was on the mend I havent really been great company yet shes kept me talking on the phone completely blind or inconsiderate to my health so yet now I asked her to come over and she accepted.

First meet and all that jazz so I expected to be nervous as was she of course. She came over, and even though I saw her topless and we kissed. She basically bored the crap out of me and definitely isnt someone I want to date. Even having sex with her tbh (to be honest) puts me off now haha My friend has said just fuck her but hes being silly. I wont lead any female on even if its just to get my dick wet especially someone like her that now knows my home address etc. I couldnt wait to call her a taxis and get rid of her. We didnt fuck as she was on her periods but she didnt blow me either which is a shame.

My health is back to normal now however I was sick for 10days due to the season changing and not the subs.

So in summary I feel I have had a sudden increase in female contact and have come close to sex all of which I have achieved naturally without DMSI. I therefore can only hope that DMSI will smash these levels of my personal achievements.

oh and I yesterday got in touch with a girl I met 2 years ago and have never met (fears I am too far for her) but met on a site. Told her I had met someone and she got curious however told her I would tell her whenever we talk. Surprisingly I have also now lost interest in this girl. it seems this girl, tinder 3, coming to my apartment, boring me and putting me off has made me mature in my evaluation of women. I have now realised that even with good looks, they can have odd idiosyncrasies or at least be boring as fuck! lol

ii) Next update is now about UMOP, and since I have re-started for the past 3 days, after a 7 day break (2 days ASRB break and then 7 days break or 9 in total).

I had a test on Monday 29th October. It was a mix of multiple choice (MCQs) and some case studies. I knew nothing as it seemed almost most of the class neither did too and we all copied from 1 another.

I then started UMOP and had another test, on Wednesday 31st October (yesterday).

From the monday test, i was worried about the test on wednesday. I did no study on monday, started UMOP and on the tuesday I tried to cram and study all I could. The change I felt was in the desire to learn and study and achieve for the test however this could be the way I normally act and deal with tests as a procrastinator which is wait till the last minute when the shit hits the proverbial fan and then I get into gear only to wonder why on earth I didnt start any earlier.

The test went well because the teacher knew I had been ill/sick for the past week, and had missed alot of class as had another class mate and thus asked us what we DID know and tested us on that; (this was pure good luck for me and thus why I didnt jump on USLM2, since I do tend to get good luck or rather notice more good luck probably than most and thus for me an app for luck would have to take me on a really amazing ride to be proved to me as working).

We passed barely and he said just study hard for the big test which is on Tuesday of next week.

So for that test (tuesday 4th November) I came home yesterday and was tired/exhausted and did nothing. I felt the desire to start and so I put a book infront of me and this was around 9pm and then realised I have been home for 9hours exhausted and sleepy so went to sleep.

I slept for 11-12 hours, woke around 11.30am/12pm, stayed in bed for 2hours being lazy and tired and playing/surfing youtube and sites and then woke. I ate rubbish processed food for breakfast but was satisfied.

Eventually I actually started to study. There is little to no fear or anxiety in me which is rare around studying however is im sure more due to the procrastinating normality I feel now rather than the app but its still early days to know for sure I feel.

I have done 10mins with 10mins break and done this about 6times which for me is great but again unsure if its the sub or more likely just how I am when pressure draws near.

I would love to have the motivation to be driven to show my true abilities and worth but it seems thats a dream I have and a reality I seldomly taste until the last moment.

Anyway that is the update so far and so far if these results are UMOP then I have the following variables:

1) Changing from trickling stream hybrid to simply trickling stream masked did the trick.

or

2) Having a 7 day break was what I needed.

or

its nothing to do with any of this and the results are not UMOP but just me taking action out of running of time - typical for me.

Day 40 - Friday 2 November 2918 - (Day 4 of 7).
Cycle 5 - (3rd out of 5 cycles with me using 5 loops).
Masked Trickling Stream.

Nothing new or major to report as yet except that im very tired when I finally do fall asleep - my sleep cycle is back to being screwed up!

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