Subliminal Talk

First of all, that really sounds like a mind-blowing experience.

What I dont understand:

1. If I remember the journal right, Chaos is a man with lots of sexual experience
2. Guess therefore you could also say he has to be a decent to good seducer?
3. As host of the event he had authority bonus
4. Both he and the girl got stoned (-> disinhibition of both of them)
5. He is trained in martial arts and I guess therefore has got a good physique

Everybodys conclusion: DMSI works.

Well... how to put it mildly. I dont get that conclusion. Does any of you see a chance that this could also have happened without DMSI ?

hey chaos, have you used pheromones alongside 2.4? and if so, have you noticed that you need different ratios compared to before DMSI?

(09-18-2016, 11:05 PM)changer Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, that really sounds like a mind-blowing experience.

What I dont understand:

1. If I remember the journal right, Chaos is a man with lots of sexual experience
2. Guess therefore you could also say he has to be a decent to good seducer?
3. As host of the event he had authority bonus
4. Both he and the girl got stoned (-> disinhibition of both of them)
5. He is trained in martial arts and I guess therefore has got a good physique

Everybodys conclusion: DMSI works.

Well... how to put it mildly. I dont get that conclusion. Does any of you see a chance that this could also have happened without DMSI ?

You make good points... however,
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7938-p...#pid132551

(09-18-2016, 03:34 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ] My experiences this weekend were so surreal that I'm still having trouble accepting them. I've never been treated so much like a celebrity before. Was making crazy contacts. I already have a job offer from a creative agency (which I'm not gonna take, but still). One of the guys I met this weekend told me that I was the coolest dude he'd ever met, and I've GOT to come visit him. This happened over and over and over. Breaking the ice with other men was as easy as saying, "yo" and dapping them up. If you're in sales or any other job where you have to meet with clients, v2.4 will turn you into a superstar. People WILL love you. People WILL think you're a celebrity. People WILL give you things. The pretty lady running the hotel front desk gave me a discount on my room without asking. She also kept blabbing on about nothing, stumbling over her words and giggling.

So, the blonde it felt beyond the "autopilot." More like, an awareness that she was insanely attracted to me. Weird thing is, she didn't seem to be my type, at ALL. "She's "light and tight" as RTBoss put it. Rich, blonde trophy wife type. Really dolled up. Quite beautiful, but not someone I would CONSCIOUSLY go for. Really skinny, but somehow still had a great ass. However, she had some amazing feminine energy that stirred something up within me. That first conversation was so weird. The eye contact was insane. For a good 5 minutes, we didn't break eye contact at all.

I'm pretty sure this is by design, but my mind became flooded with images of me rubbing my hands all over her body, going down on her, etc. I mean, HYPER SEXUAL images.

It was all so automatic. Felt like a mystical moment in time or some shit.

For those of you worried about falling in love -- I don't think it'l happen. That's... not how I feel about her. I don't even know if I want to see her again. We met, had fun, had great sex... and now it's on to the next one.

A few years ago, I would've had problems talking to someone that pretty. DMSI is wiping out all of that. I feel my approach anxiety waning.

I've been to plenty of seminars and usually the guy that runs it. Is standing alone somewhere by himself while everyone networks, even when he attempts to socialize.

The lady at the front desk gave him a discount without asking. Getting free stuff or upgrades or discounts seem to happen while listening to DMSI.

I told this to Catman in his journal just the other day. The emotional healing/optimization as Chaosvrgn calls it. Makes you overcome your limitations of how physically attractive a woman is. Yes, Chaosvrgn has a lot of sexual experience. Was it with 1's, 2's, and 3's?? Now he's having no problem going after 9's, 10's, and 11's!!

Eye contact has been reported with all DMSI listener's as being strong or desire to make it stronger.

The images going through his mind. We are all "connected" and I'm sure she picked up on what was going through his mind, intuitively.

Autopilot, as long as you aren't consciously overthinking what is happening. (Being stoned dulled his senses) Then everything flows... even without dulling your senses.

Could this have happened without DMSI? Some of it, not all of it in one evening. The thing is... we will never know. If you could only rewind every event in your life and played this over. "Let's see what happens if Chaosvrgn didn't use DMSI before this night."

Correct me if I'm wrong Chaos, I believe DMSI manifested this event in happening in the first place?? Correct?? I also agree with RTBoss that DMSI prevented the other girls that you were trying to have attend this event were "prevented" for the sole purpose of hooking up with the blonde. Of course, we can only speculate... one has to wonder??

(09-18-2016, 11:32 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]hey chaos, have you used pheromones alongside 2.4? and if so, have you noticed that you need different ratios compared to before DMSI?

Alongside v2.4? No. I did a few times alongside v2.3. I didn't adjust the dosages at all. I used APi + Xist + Taboo. Seemed like I was much more congruent with the vibe.

I did use P114 one time. Seemed like it was intimidating the dudes.

Once v2.4 gets completely past the healing phase and into attraction, I'll run some phero tests.

(09-18-2016, 11:05 PM)changer Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, that really sounds like a mind-blowing experience.

What I dont understand:

1. If I remember the journal right, Chaos is a man with lots of sexual experience
2. Guess therefore you could also say he has to be a decent to good seducer?
3. As host of the event he had authority bonus
4. Both he and the girl got stoned (-> disinhibition of both of them)
5. He is trained in martial arts and I guess therefore has got a good physique

Everybodys conclusion: DMSI works.

Well... how to put it mildly. I dont get that conclusion. Does any of you see a chance that this could also have happened without DMSI ?

Yes. I do have sexual experience. That's why I can safely and logically conclude that this weekend's experience is the direct result of DMSI's influence. There's a number of reasons why. 4Kingdoms touched on most of them. The biggest being -- that I've never had the confidence to approach an 8 and talk to her as casually as I was. Second, I've NEVER been approached and seduced by a lithe, blonde 8 carrying a $5000 designer handbag.

From a pure social status standpoint, she was way "out of my league." That means DMSI was boosting my status signal to crazy high levels.

As for you comment about being the host. I was NOT the host. I was one of the 4 partners that organized the event. Out of the 4 partners, I'm the least visible because prefer to be the "mastermind behind the scenes," so I opted not to have my face on banners and stuff. Only those who know my partners knew my involvement. Now given, yes I did have quite a status boost when I told people that I'm [x] partner. However, not enough to sway someone of her social stature.

I will agree with you about being stoned, though. I thought of that last night. The particular strain we smoked is designed to actually slow down your thought processes and send you into a state of extreme calmness and relaxation. It was at that point that the autopilot was able to function on a very efficient level. That tells me that I still need much healing to do in order to get out of my own way.

As for physique -- it's not as great as you think. People can tell that I'm in shape. I have broad, sloping shoulders, decent biceps and very defined forearms, but I also carry belly fat. So, no one looks at me and goes, OMG LOOK AT THIS ADONIS. AM6 and DMSI has given me some killer body language and presence, though.

So yeah, if you want to be skeptical and cheat yourself out of an amazing experience, by all means, go ahead. But, you're going to miss out. For $114.95, you can experience what it feels like to be a minor celebrity -- and Shannon says he's pumping it up in v3. Let me tell you how good I feel about DMSI. Even if v3 doesn't meet the design goal as Shannon intended, I'm STILL not asking for a refund. I've received so much value from the versions I got (and I purchased v1 on launch day, so I have them all except v2.1... didn't download that for some reason) that I cannot make the internal justification to ask for one.

People pay thousands and thousands of dollars in therapy and spend years trying to get over minor problems. Between AM6 and DMSI -- about 15 months of investment, I've become a whole new person.

We all gotta walk our own paths... but brother, with that kind of skepticism, you're taking the one full of needless obstacles.

Hello Chaosvrgn,

thank you for your detailed and open answer. That makes it easier for me to believe in DMSI.

You are right, I am a skeptic. Maybe because I am already using DMSI since version 2 came out (no journal). But I may need more time for noticeable effects. So far I had some crazy sexual dreams but not much else.
Once I felt a feeling of euphoria and wellbeing while beeing half asleep and listening to 1 round of masked ocean DMSI 2.4 (daytime) and yesterday I was greeted by a young woman while jogging. Maybe that was the first sign of my new rockstar superpowers

Are you doing 5 loops, back to back without any breaks? There were days when I did 6 - 8 loops just to see what would happen, or when I split my loops up throughout the day. Didn't get good results. I got the best results when I ran 5 loops, back to back while sleeping.

Also, I know this sounds counter intuitive, but it's best to try and let go of results. Just go about your day, focusing on something else other than attraction. The conscious mind will do all kinds of things to sabotage your results. Looking back, some of the ways that I self-sabotaged are absolutely insane.

If you're feeling the euphoria and having sexual dreams, that means the sub is working on some level. Some of us need more garbage removal / optimization than others. Remember that I'm coming off the heels of a year long run of AM6, so I already had tons of healing alongside the momentum that AM6 brought. These two subs really are synergistic.

Also, because I practice mental alchemy (and chaos magick, specifically -- just to get it out there), I'm actually pretty well practiced in letting go of results. Lusting for results will kill any form of mental alchemy, subliminals included.

Just run your five loops, and go about your day without thinking about the sub.

Feeling a little resistance today. Last night, I had some dreams with foreboding themes. The odd thing is, I can't remember much about them, just some random impressions and the feelings the dream evoked. The dreams on DMSI are so freaking weird though. So surrealistic. The dreams I had on AM6 were always rooted in reality. DMSI dreams are just strange, abstract fantasies and nightmares, filled with strange creatures. Honestly... they feel like Lovecraft stories in both feel and visuals.

I have no energy today. Very mental fatigued. I know that has something to do with three days of networking, but I'm pretty sure something's being healed.

This might be TMI, but it's relevant to something. I had this odd moment where I suddenly had the overwhelming urge to look at crazy fetish porn. Like bestiality and stuff. Things I've NEVER looked at or remotely been interested in. It just hit me like a wave. I hopped up and ran from the PC so I wouldn't indulge in any crazy urges. Was a real WTF moment. I know something must be passing, though.

@chaosvrgn:
Just read through your encounter with the blonde at the event.

Congratulations! That was a really great experience, well done - both yourself and the sub/Shannon.

Seems that every time I have a sexual encounter, or even make out on a date, the next day I fall into resistance.

It's happened too many times to be coincidence. There's something strange going on deep within my subconscious...

(09-19-2016, 11:47 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Seems that every time I have a sexual encounter, or even make out on a date, the next day I fall into resistance.

It's happened too many times to be coincidence. There's something strange going on deep within my subconscious...

Its actually interesting that you said that because I experienced some what the exact same thing. After I got that one woman's number I was fine for a while. Later that night and then next morning though its like I got hit by this way of negativety. "WTF are you doing?', "Shes not interested in you", and "Your going to fuck stuff up like a moron so why bother" etc. This lasted for a good 16 hours or so. It got so bad that at one point I felt this intense chilling fear and felt like I was going to throw up. Granted my problems are of a very different variety than yours so my resistance is probably a lot different.

(09-19-2016, 10:28 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]I had this odd moment where I suddenly had the overwhelming urge to look at crazy fetish porn. Like bestiality and stuff. Things I've NEVER looked at or remotely been interested in.

"This one time, at band camp, I let a dog eat peanut butter out of my a$$hole!"

Odd resistance is starting to pass. Was a weird day. Resistance began early this morning. I became fixated on a lot of the terrible things I did in my mid 20's -- mainly business deals where I ended up ripping off my customers / clients. Things I hadn't thought about for a LOOOONG time.

Lots of guilt and shame for those actions and fear that my own business will fail. Lots of thoughts about just going back to a 9 - 5. A lot of deep disdain for women rising to the surface. And of course, that weirdness with the urges to watch dog f*cking porn and shit. I'm not sure how all of those are intertwined, but it feels like something deep's being cleared. At one point, I even had a moment of extreme panic. Just wanted to curl into a ball and cry.

I'm curious about these weird connections. Not to mention the weird ass Lovecraftian dreams that DMSI seems to evoke. I wonder why my subconscious associates sex with weird, alien creatures...

Interesting. Perhaps the focus on bestiality is your subconscious' way of showing you that everyone is f*cked up in some way or another, thus relieving you of your guilt.

Just a theory.