Subliminal Talk

Stage 4 was pretty bad but I was sick for a good while on stage 4 so I felt like the whole thing was resistance. Either way.. Stage 5 was wierd and very up and down and the last euphoric moment I remember on alpha male was makeing the transition from 3 to 4. But 6 overall was my favorite stage.

It seems that I've been attracting girls, who has been beaten by guys before and think that they deserve little. When I asked them why they accepted my invitation they told me that I was different. Not a guy who is insert ["badboy" types]. I think I have a image of a kind, strong and protective guy.
I love women and I see their beauty but I don't think I can be in a relationship with a girl whom thinks mainly negatively about herself...


Different things have been happening for me the last days. I went out with a girl yesterday, whom I met in a bar Saturday. Took her to the mall and did a un-normal thing with her, which she was nervous about but followed. She told me afterwards, "ohh well.. that's.. something I've never tried before" . Cute girl, but nothing there.


Remember the gorgeous girl from class, who I asked out after our long walk, from school to near our homes, that I invited out twice and she diverted the invitation?

Well.. today I went to a private session in martial arts and right after that I went to school without changing or taking a bath - didn't have time to and didn't care what others would think.
The thing is that I didn't care BUT I am still sincere.. it's a contradiction really. By being that, people wanted to talk to me and get my attention. I teased the girl like a little kid teasing a little girl, and we laughed and made those "connecting" glances and looks at each other.. you know, just having fun...
It was very dynamic and totally effortless - it felt like that.

When we were about to separate, I told her to come with me to the supermarket and she did. She asked what we were going to do and I said, "you'll see". Had some fun light teasing there too.. taking nothing seriously. I picked up one thing to buy and as we were close to the counter she takes my arm and put it up in the air with the item I was going to buy and says out loud something like, "ooh, remember to pay for it / are you going to pay for it?". Crazy girl but I loved it hah .

We got outside and were going to separate for real. We went in for a hug but it felt like she was ready or she was expecting to kiss right there. At least that's what it seemed and that's what my gut told me right after we leaned into each others arms and our faces passed.


Tonight I am going to start stage 5 and tomorrow afternoon I will be in London.

This is gonna be fun ............

Woot! Go LionMonkey! You're not even to Sex Magnet yet, it's going to be fun, my friend

As for the negative women...stay the f away. I'm telling you now. Stay away! Ever since the BDD girl back in the beginning of SM I no longer have any urge to be with a woman like that. And now my standards are so crazy...she has to be outgoing, intelligent, funny/sarcastic, open & honest, and able to hold an intelligent conversation. The rest I next

Ryan

Stage 5 - Day 19,


Hey guys, I've been busy living my life!

This week I've been out every night and I've noticed a lot of stuff. One of the things is the ever-changing energy...

There's something I wanted to express and hopefully get some feedback to but I find it quite hard to do so because it is about the principles of seduction related to a certain situation. Gonna try anyway


Yesterday night I was in a bar and I had been sleeping on my Laurels after I went into a group of 4 girls. They were happy and pleased to have me there. It felt effortless and fun in the beginning. I was captivating for sure and the girls were intrigued by who I was, laughed and had fun with the effortless creativity I was creating. When I think back about some of the things I did, it seems really ridicules but it was fun

I talked to all the girls and asked about their "story". To get a sense of who they were.

At a point I took a seat and sat there the energy became a bit serious but with one of the girls, there was some sexual tension. She was quite interested in me. She sat beside me and had her legs spread wide open facing me. I wasn't facing her but after a few minutes of interaction I faced her a bit more. I had my hands on her thighs at a point and then I pulled away. I think I also tried to grab her hand and squeeze it.. I don't know.. it felt natural and I desired her but seconds after that she stopped the interaction and talked with her friend and then she stood up and went to their side of the table and whispered something to her friends and looked at me.

After that the vibe was stagnant and dead. The girls went out to the floor and upstairs.

And in the end I was sitting there by myself, watching their bags & clothes (I didn't mind, since it was raining outside, my bus wasn't going until an half hours time and I felt low. I tried to focus on having my strong energy back as I have when I walk into a room, make myself comfortable and quick-talk to some people).

They were leaving and I was going too, they did even not say anything to me when they took their coats on and then I took some action, so I gave each of them a big hug and told them that they were fantastic, "I love it!" and the energy were instantly different and I walked away. Funny thing, I did not really feel it.. to give them a hug but as we were hugging I felt better and that might also have caused the positive effect my words had afterwards...


I think my question leads to, I must have been too overwhelming or pushy to the girl who was obviously interested in me? I'm sure if I had paid her less attention than I did there and being more calculative with my movements, it would have gone very different.

I have seen it happen that women, especially young ones, get strange ideas in their heads sometimes. I did a photoshoot with a couple girls one time at the beach, completely professional, and she took something I said the wrong way and thereafter has been basically slandering me to everyone who will listen. My comment was that her look reminded me of an ex, IIRC. She thought, in her infinite ego, that I was coming on to her and being "creepy". I don't know how much more professional I could have been with them, but that experience really killed it for me, working with certain types of women as models. It's been hard to get back to doing modeling photography because I don't want to have that undeserved treatment happen again.

What I will say is that I see you are trying too hard. PUA teachings generally fill your head with everything you need to do, and a lot of it is artificial. When it isn't natural, as most PUA stuff is not, girls sense it and they may react to you with fear, or think you're a creep. I'd put money on that being what happened here.

If you want to know how to deal with women, there's two words that anyone who knows what they're talking about will agree with, and they are: be natural. Faking it, forcing it, following a script, will get you "canned". Get canned enough, and you'll get a reputation for being a creep, and nobody will even give you a chance.

Learn what your seduction style is, and work it. Mine is the "Moss Method". That is, I grow on them slowly, and when I am done it was all so comfortable and natural that they usually don't know where I began working my magic or just exactly what I did to make it happen. Slow and steady wins the race. The faster you try to go, the more polar your results will be. I prefer to be ahead of the curve, and observe before moving. Then I know whether she's taken, or if she's even worth moving on. And there's no pressure, so she's relaxed and comfortable, and it's just a lot more fun and easy for everyone. I also am primarily a sensual seducer. When I want a woman to respond to me, I communicate with her through touch and body language, and if I am interested in being intimate with her, I try to make her want what I want enough to ask me for it by name, through touch. Never pushing... always closely aware of her responses. If she's not comfortable, I make her comfortable, or if I can't, I back off some. If she's not ready for what I want, I respect that and wait for it, perhaps helping it along a little, but never making her feel pressured. The best way to get a girl/woman to give you what you want, is to make her want it more than you do, first. You were moving too fast and/or too awkwardly for her.

Forget all the PUA crap. Be natural. Learn to read female body language, vocal cues, facial expressions, word choice, and her vibe. Lead her on, gently, into your direction. Make the world around her bend to your desires, so she naturally follows the path of least resistance to where you want her to be.

At least, that's how I do it. And it doesn't work on every woman, but when I find a woman I am compatible with... forget it. She's helpless.

You have to discover your own style of seduction, and realize that not every woman is going to be compatible with it.

Shannon, I appreciate that you took the time to reply with your experience and your assumption on me what I might have been thinking...


Yeah, I've experienced the young ones and even some of the older ones have the assumptions that I only want to get in their pants if I touch them too much. It happens mostly when they aren't ready for it and I see I have to control myself more!

In fact, I may have read somewhere about push-pull and I've tried to experience with the "dance" when you are interacting with a woman. I may have did some of the things out of the subconscious...

Quote:If you want to know how to deal with women, there's two words that anyone who knows what they're talking about will agree with, and they are: be natural. Faking it, forcing it, following a script, will get you "canned". Get canned enough, and you'll get a reputation for being a creep, and nobody will even give you a chance.

Actually, recently I have changed my mindset from "knowing" to "know nothing". I just know/see what I find attractive and then I put myself in there. Mostly with hi or say what I think. Makes me less presumptuous...

Don't you think forcing it or "fake it till you make it" works?

I believe in beauty in women, I will do my best to express that no matter how the outcome will be. It must be real though, which leads to the question.. "what is real?" - I guess it comes down to what one believes in.
I relate to it too from my martial arts training.. sometimes I really don't feel like doing some exercises at home but I just do them and I feel better afterwards.


About finding my style - I'm not aware of how I'm doing it. I know that people see me as a grounded man, who radiate some martial artish and women tell me regularly that I am cute or I am good-looking...

Even in the 7 years I've been practicing martial arts, I can only sense / have an intuition on how my fighting style is.

Ouch.

2 nights ago, I met a gorgeous girl in a bar I've never been to before and left some friends for her because she was amazing. We moved to a place and she was now sitting down with me. I tried to kiss her after 5 minutes, which she neglected and said, "careful what you do", which I replied with, "I have no idea what I am doing" haha...
She showed every sign that she liked me (grabbing my hand and squeezing it, holding eye contact, hitting me, laughing) and at a point her friends tell her that they are moving on. She was hesitant but she then decided to go with them and asked me to come and took my hand and squeezed it.

I was hesitant too but thought she wants me, let's do it. My friends are going home anyways.

Standing there, I was waiting for her and her friends (10 or so) to get their jackets/coats on. I tell her that I know no one in the group, only you.. and I'm not so sure about it, which she replied; "It's okay.. I'll be with you" smiling knowingly..

She takes my hand and we move to the entrance and she says, "Where is Peter?" and slips my hand. I stay there for 3 minutes looking around. Lots of people there. Suddenly I see her heavily making out with a dude.

It stung.. My friends were fortunately not gone yet and I left with them.

Lesson to myself; be sure that she really likes you. kiss her before going somewhere else, where there are other people she knows.

Guys, I'm not sure anymore about AM2011..

I don't feel like I need any confidence? I feel like I am who I am and I do what I do!

This program has mind-f***ed me a bit because I am not even sure if it is myself or this program who makes me who I am...

I've come to a point in my life where I say, "What do I need it for?"
Really, I can't see any changes and I'm more interested in learning and understanding about women, so I've considered to cut it off from here AM 2011, Stage 5 - Day 22 and just start SM2011..


What do you think? Can any of you relate to what I am saying here? I appreciate your time.


- LM

LionMonkey, don't fucking stop. Are you nuts?

You're almost a month away from finishing. Stage 5 was a lot of contemplation about the program too. Just keep going.

Ryan

Hmm.. I'm sure you are right Ryan. I wouldn't be asking about it, if I were so sure (because a real man decides for himself and go through with it) to start SM instead.
That's the thing man.. IS IT ME or THE SUBLIMINAL that makes the difference?! It's really mind-f***ing.

I'm gonna take a night off from the town tonight. Last week I was out 5 evenings/nights. This week I've been out 2 times out of 4 days. I'm doing it because I want to "GET" women!

It is the NEW you. And you still haven't fully gotten everything yet. You need to continue, no questions asked.

Ryan

Yeah continue, you are so close.

It's probably resistance, trying to get you to stop. I got that all the time with Alpha, and still do with SM. And every one i've used.

Stage 5 - Day 39,


Shit. I've overdone this stage because I thought whatever lets go with it after you replies and first now I see that I've gone some days too far. Interesting things have happened to me though but it's still not what I want.
I mean sure some women, who I don't really want, do find me interesting and want me physically, what else??

My view of women has changed man... They are human-beings who only thinks of what they can gain from you, pleasure/sex and that they are very empathic/sympathetic. If they don't see the pleasure side in you, they'll be like you aren't there.
It's funny. I think most guys have the view that they want MORE to be sympathetic and empathic than to be sexual and pleasurable. That's what I least felt/thought before all this crisis I've been through.

Shit. I have been a wussy and it hurts to think that I have been that for so long time! (even though when I didn't like a girl that much but was a bit horny, I would just hook up with her).
I mean.. Shit! I love women but my reality is twisted. I can only do things to not lose my power and just present myself out to the world as best as I can.

I have begun MMA besides my kungfu, just to get back from the christmas and new years holidays and HOLY SHIT, it makes me feel good. Women are just distractions in my awareness now, though I still love them and have to get this reality-change installed correctly and fully in my mind!

A VERY good and old friend of mine have started for a while, trying to tell me things that is right (just because he has got a girlfriend and I haven't been very successful with women most of my life and I know he hasn't either but I'm sure he feels good about knowing that he "has" something I don't), or at least he speaks with this kind of attitude that he is the "wise man". He doesn't do it very arrogantly though, which gives him a chance with me. I don't like it but I don't think it's right to tell him to not tell me what is right though. I don't like to brag but I've heard that I am arrogant.

Honestly, I'm in between being direct and say f*** you when such a situation happens or just be whatever.. I know who I am (which I've done most of the times but I still feel a small annoyance in me).

I would appreciate some feedback. It's very important to know what kind of direction I want this relationship to go right now to me. Thanks in advance.


Starting Stage 6 tonight. Hmm.. I can't imagine whats waiting for me in this stage...


-LM

Stage 6 - Day 7,


Hey guys. Just wanted to give you an update...

A lot of things has changed recently. Actually very drastic changes! Here's a little story.

After New Years, there came a day where I spontaneously took a cross-fit class.
It was early Saturday Noon. As I was walking to my bus-stop, I saw this beautiful, petite blonde with ocean blue eyes and high heels on. I looked over my shoulder and she caught my eyes and smiled.

I walked over and said hi and said what I thought. She thanked me twice and I went back to where I stood before.

The bus came and I see that she is taking the same. I went upstairs and she came a little while after and took a seat few rows in front of me, I felt she wanted to talk to me.

Anyways I walked past her and went to the gym. Had the most hardcore hour and a half in a looooong time. I got sugar cold, so I watched the last half an hour and then took home.
I took the same bus as I came with, just the opposite side and as I get off my bus I see the petite, blonde girl stay off too. LOL

She was walking in front of me and a little bit faster than me. At a point she turned her head and saw me. She stopped up, smiled and walked towards me. We walk and talk together and we find out that we are living in the house-apartment just beside each other - a house number from each other lol.
We hugged. I didn't give her my number though. I was all worn out and wasn't really focused.