Subliminal Talk

stage 4 day 10

listened with trickling stream again last night and i had a wet dream, with me getting off by watching porn again in the dream D: !

I stopped myself as soon as I could, whenever i became conscious of what my body was doing, and I felt bad because I had relapsed, but I don't know if that technically counts because it was my subC mind doing it, not me doing it consciously. so it might have been a FREElapse? but anyway instead of blowing 13 days worth i stopped myself somehow and kept most of it in, as an immediate kneejerk reaction to what was going on.

stage 4 day 12

Had a bout of depression yesterday, thought it might have been resistance but it more than likely is that I dropped my nicotine intake TREMENDOUSLY, so I'm withdrawing from tobacco..

I finally had a full wet dream last night, and I DON'T think it was porn in the dream this time! But I don't remember the dream =/ oh well. Waking up with wet cum sheets is nasty as fuq.

I definitely feel like I relapsed on NoFap, but I don't know how I can control my dreams and avoid releasing in my dreams too.

OH I had a freakish scare yesterday, too. Sunday night, I touched the lips of one of my friends because I saw she had a bruise on her lip. She said I had better wash my hands cause it was herpes. The next day I saw a red spot on my dick and I FREAKED THE FUCK OUT! I WAS LIKE OH SHIT I KNOW I WASHED MY HANDS what the fuqqqqqqq... But it went away today.... PHEWWWWWW holy fuqqq i got so scared

its weird, i haven't fapped in two months, and last year i did a 5 month no fap streak. I never once had a wet dream.

(10-27-2015, 06:53 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 12

I finally had a full wet dream last night, and I DON'T think it was porn in the dream this time! But I don't remember the dream =/ oh well. Waking up with wet cum sheets is nasty as fuq.

I definitely feel like I relapsed on NoFap, but I don't know how I can control my dreams and avoid releasing in my dreams too.

SM3 is supposed to remove the wet dream. I think if you consciously want to keep your cum and tell yourself that before going to sleep and after waking up you should be able to keep it.
At least it works for me when I do that.

(10-28-2015, 11:18 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-27-2015, 06:53 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 12

I finally had a full wet dream last night, and I DON'T think it was porn in the dream this time! But I don't remember the dream =/ oh well. Waking up with wet cum sheets is nasty as fuq.

I definitely feel like I relapsed on NoFap, but I don't know how I can control my dreams and avoid releasing in my dreams too.

SM3 is supposed to remove the wet dream. I think if you consciously want to keep your cum and tell yourself that before going to sleep and after waking up you should be able to keep it.
At least it works for me when I do that.

how do you know this and/or where is it said that this is the case?

It was in Shannon journal I think, I'm not sure where it is. But I'm pretty sure it was said. It was done so you can maximize your sexual energy. I think there is something about porn also.

How I know, I read all Shannon journal here.

hmm that makes sense alpha360, thanks for clarifying. I can see how my decision to stop porn and masturbating is likely due to suggestions by the sub. That's definite proof that the sub is working.

stage 4 day 14

been having resistance like a mofo, and coupled with nicotine withdrawal almost made me stop running SM3 yesterday. And then today, I get hit with the news that I'm not going to be getting paid as much as I was initially expecting at work, so i'm wallowing in a world of negative shit right now.

Stage 4 is hard man, I've gone strong on No PMO for 18 days or so, but other than that, nothing really positive from stage 4 so far.

stage 4 day 22

I went a grand total of 21 days on nofap, relapsed, and am now at day 5. Pretty much nothing else of value to report as far as SM3 goes.

(11-06-2015, 09:46 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 22

I went a grand total of 21 days on nofap, relapsed, and am now at day 5. Pretty much nothing else of value to report as far as SM3 goes.

Hi bud!

Sorry to hear about your relapse.

During SM3...well you know how my run went...

But, I thought that maybe my porn habits and masturbation habits, were acting as "leaks" for the program. So, I consciously kicked the porn habit somewhere in stage 2 I believe, and am now at day 150 of no PMO!

Also, as soon as I finished SM3 and took my one week EXTREMELY well-deserved sub break, I chose Stop Masturbating 4G to help rid me of my second addiction.

My theory, was this would plug two "leaks" for what made SM3 fail. While also fixing my mind from long term porn addiction damage, and long term masturbation addiction damage. To me, it seemed like the best sub to do at the time.

Anyway, since you're still in the midst of SM3 and can't switch subs, maybe cut out porn for now. Then, when done, use the Stop Masturbation 4G sub like me. Or, the porn sub if that is the bigger monkey on your back.

Keep going man, I believe in you!

Hi FrostedFake!

PMO means no masturbation to orgasm watching porn, yes.

During SM3, it's libido increases actually worked against me as I had no options for girls and the program did not make me better at attracting women sexually at all.

As a result of a complete lack of sexual options with girls on SM3, my only outlet when the libido raged irresistably but had zero girls to use it on unfortunately, was porn, and/or masturbating often. And I went back and watched about 10 minutes of porn somewhere in there, but did NOT masturbate. I was driven to it by SM3's libido boost that just hit me so strongly and so suddenly! I looked at it, seemed to get bored after 10 minutes watching a couple amateur clips THANKFULLY, and left it to not come back from then on. I also started getting educated at that point thanks to seeing a video from Dr. Wilson, on the realisation that I had an addiction. That shocked me, and that greatly strengthened my resolve. From the point I finished watching that video onward, there was NO going back, finally realising the damage that's been done to me. And I was adamant that as soon as I finished SM3 I would start Stop Masturbating 4G to rid myself of the second addiction I had.

However, since I slipped for 10 minutes within those days near the beginning of when I first started, by watching it but did not masturbate to it, I couldn't call it "no porn" anymore to be true to myself, and had to change it to "no PMO". In the end, it's the same result as I've massively cut it down, repaired a lot of damage done to my erections but my libido hasn't returned yet which disappoints me, but will never go back to porn now. I added in nofap now to increase the speed of recovery for my brain, as well as experience many benefits I've researched typically happens after giving up masturbation. The one slip was very early on as well, I think somewhere in stage 2-3 if I remember correctly.

(11-06-2015, 09:46 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 22

I went a grand total of 21 days on nofap, relapsed, and am now at day 5. Pretty much nothing else of value to report as far as SM3 goes.

So, to conclude, Sm worked for you for a little while and then nothing.. no results at all, very little

(11-08-2015, 01:48 PM)Survivor Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2015, 09:46 PM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 22

I went a grand total of 21 days on nofap, relapsed, and am now at day 5. Pretty much nothing else of value to report as far as SM3 goes.

So, to conclude, Sm worked for you for a little while and then nothing.. no results at all, very little

to properly conclude, stage 4 is producing little in the results department.

stage 4 day 27

i feel far less alpha this month than i did when i started SM3.

confidence is at a low. likely due DIRECTLY from my masturbation relapse. I am now coming to recognize this whorerible addiction for what it is, and it's nothing to play with! It's some serious, homewrecking shit, especially for this guy who has some serious traumas to deal with --which, btw I just uncovered a sexual trauma that I had completely forgotten about that has haunted me TREMENDOUSLY

and as far as NO PMO goes, I was under the impression that it meant No Porn, No Masturbation, AND No Orgasm, thru any means. I could be wrong, but it's what I've been using as the basis of my No PMO project.

i'm getting pretty impatient with the sub..... but time takes time, i know that.

i have mad attention from women, don't get me wrong. the manifestation is definitely in full force, but pulling the trigger is a big time issue. even moreso now that i had that scare last week D: which, btw contributed to my relapse!

stage 4 day 31

my conversations go sexual real fast, which is unusual for the "old me". Idk what changes stage 4 has brought on, due to the naturalizer. But now I'm convinced it's working on SOMETHING.

I have been openly and blatantly making sexual comments (totally opposite of a smooth operator lol), and have been getting rejected quite a bit, but I'm not phased by it as much as I would have been in the past.

I heard one of my best female friends tell her life story today, and she talked about fear, and how being in fear is like being crippled. Being in fear is like having no legs, and being told to run across the room. Fear is a tremendous HANDICAP. which is definitely something I've had in the past, in regards to sexuality... but my fear is slowly starting to be removed, and even more so that I've done a fears inventory. I should probably do a more thorough and searching fear inventory to see what's hidden in the deepest crevaces of my heart and soul.

+ got a blatant butt display today, she gave me the CFM eyes and she's been given me the CFM eyes before, but she was engaged before, then that engagement ended and now she's with another dude (who was also where I was today) but still gave me those eyes and butt display

+- been spending time with this fine ass girl, who i can tell has an unwritten thing for me, but she's married with 2 kids (27 y/o). part of me feels like she's not happy with her husband either way, adn will cheat on him whether it's with me or not, the other part of me is like NO it's totally NOT spiritual to be a homewrecker, and that I should leave it at friendship

- i give off a friendly vibe to other guys, which is actually VERY annoying at times. Unless the conversation with guys has something to do with recovery, I usually just zone out and not even pay attention......

- i found myself being treated differently by women during the couple days after my refapse, and not in a good way either.

+ i feel far more alpha when i don't fap for a few days; i am finding orgone is essential to authority, at least when it's concerned with self inflicted release. maybe it's different after having sex.

(11-15-2015, 01:09 AM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]stage 4 day 31

my conversations go sexual real fast, which is unusual for the "old me". Idk what changes stage 4 has brought on, due to the naturalizer. But now I'm convinced it's working on SOMETHING.

I have been openly and blatantly making sexual comments (totally opposite of a smooth operator lol), and have been getting rejected quite a bit, but I'm not phased by it as much as I would have been in the past.

I heard one of my best female friends tell her life story today, and she talked about fear, and how being in fear is like being crippled. Being in fear is like having no legs, and being told to run across the room. Fear is a tremendous HANDICAP. which is definitely something I've had in the past, in regards to sexuality... but my fear is slowly starting to be removed, and even more so that I've done a fears inventory. I should probably do a more thorough and searching fear inventory to see what's hidden in the deepest crevaces of my heart and soul.

+ got a blatant butt display today, she gave me the CFM eyes and she's been given me the CFM eyes before, but she was engaged before, then that engagement ended and now she's with another dude (who was also where I was today) but still gave me those eyes and butt display

+- been spending time with this fine ass girl, who i can tell has an unwritten thing for me, but she's married with 2 kids (27 y/o). part of me feels like she's not happy with her husband either way, adn will cheat on him whether it's with me or not, the other part of me is like NO it's totally NOT spiritual to be a homewrecker, and that I should leave it at friendship

- i give off a friendly vibe to other guys, which is actually VERY annoying at times. Unless the conversation with guys has something to do with recovery, I usually just zone out and not even pay attention......

- i found myself being treated differently by women during the couple days after my refapse, and not in a good way either.

+ i feel far more alpha when i don't fap for a few days; i am finding orgone is essential to authority, at least when it's concerned with self inflicted release. maybe it's different after having sex.

Yo dude, way to go man.
Nice progress on your journey.