Subliminal Talk

Excellent progress! It sounds to me like what is holding you back is the fact that you ate in a transition phase between where you are and where you want to be. You've made great progress, but you're not there yet and it sounds as if you get into a group and then start becoming needy.

The hotter the girl the less you care what happens the more she becomes invested in qualifying to a higher value male the more she pursues the more you turn the tables on her. She comes after you, and you really don't have to do much of anything at all.

Now of course I am not an expert with dealing with women in clubs, as I don't go clubbing, and the women in clubs have a very different mindset than the ones I usually encounter. But the general idea is, display high value, make her qualify, and keep her in pursuit by passing her shit tests. When she qualifies herself to you, she is acknowledging that you have higher value than she does, and she wants your attention and approval.

When you display neediness, give her too much attention, care too much what she thinks, wants, says, does... you display lower value and she realizes you are not the man she thought you were and loses interest.

The most natural successful man I ever met is a very close friend of mine, and he can pull women like enough to make you crazy frustrated watching him. He does it so well because he genuinely does not give the slightest shit about the outcome, the woman, or anything else except that he is enjoying himself. He teases them, laughs at them, makes fun of them, and even is cruel to them. He's told me that he's taken a lot of pleasure in crushing a woman over the course of an evening and leaving her hot, wet and crying with sexual frustration and her own insecurities, because she started off the interaction so sure that she was invincible. He plays on their insecurities when he encounters that type, and they always crumble.

I don't necessarily recommend doing that, as it's negative, but the things you can learn from him are:

• Nobody is better than you are.
  
• Women, no matter how hot, are still human, and they all have their insecurities just like you do.
  
• If you care what happens outside of enjoying yourself (with or without her), she'll usually see this as a DLV.
  
• Treat her like she's your little sister: tease her, make fun of her, but don't give her all your attention, and don't give her attention on her terms.
  
• As a man who is of higher value than she is, you have to have the mindset that she must earn your interest, attention, and response. If she doesn't... you lose interest and walk away. In other words, stop trying to get her approval, and start playing her game on her. make her win your attention, affection, respect, approval and time. Lose interest and leave if she doesn't.
  

Much respect for the growth you've made.

wwoo!!...this is all awesome stuff.
Go LionMonkey!!

You're results are inspiring LionMonkey

Happy for your results

LionMonkey,I will be following this thread and your updates.

Shannon, you do have a lot of knowledge on seduction and picking up women. I was just curios on any sources you recommend to get more knowledge on seducing, attracting as well as techniques that can be used in everyday life to achieve results from women. It would be much appreciated if you could share that with us.

Thanks

Fonzy

The sources I will recommend are not what you might expect.

Study body language. Take up people watching. Watch people interact. Study the psychology of human interaction. Study communication. Talk to women about what they do, and why they do it, when XYZ happens. Study your own actions, and motivations, and reactions. Understand yourself.

People are people. They all respond from a common source of motivation, but each one has a different "lens" for gender, belief and experience through which they focus their actions. Once you understand where she is coming from, you can have a good idea how she responds and what motivates and de-motivates her.

I'm glad you like what has been happening

This is actually pretty great. I feel like my game has gone to the next level and I don't know why I haven't seen this before. It is actually very simple.

I have a great foundation, a plateau where I'm going to make mistakes which I can grow from now.

Just earlier tonight I was with my friend and we went to a bar where the atmosphere wasn't very flowing. I didn't feel the energy at all. Anyways I was being a totally cool guy and just going around the bar and meeting women. I'm not a threat to them and I'm a bit edgy which sparks the interaction. There's very little logic in what I do. I'm not attached to any group I talk with.

After half an hour, the groups I've met are open for me and they also notice me having a bit of fun with the other groups of girls.

My friend wanted to go to get up early tomorrow and I hesitated a bit because I knew that I would end up with a girl if I stayed but I agreed to go because of waking up early and do some productive stuff. Been partying all weekend and exploring my new mindset...

So on the way to the entrance there was a pretty hot brunette that I would have liked to hook up with but she is surrounded at her table by guys and girls. I've already been over to them and talked with them when they were two girls and one guy.

I see this girl in front of me with a patch on her eye and so I just naturally talked with her. She's very open and receptive to me and she's standing with her back to the girl that I like.

So as I talk with her I look over her shoulders subtly and hit eye-contact with the hot brunette, we hold for like 4-5 seconds as she was doing a facial expression haha.

There could definitely have been something happening if I pushed the limits and kept staying. There were also another group of girls

I saw my friend who stood at the entrance waiting, so I told the girl I talked with that I had to leave but she wanted me to stay. I gave her a kiss on her soft chin, almost her mouth as she motioned her head for that lol and left.

I've gone out since thursday night and it seems that by keep going out every day and meeting women it becomes easier and easier to approach...

This following week is easter holiday, which means going out every night. I sense there's going to be a lot of interesting nights near future!

I agree with this source of seduction and will expand on it during my own use of WM 5G.

Shannon

I'm glad you think observing is a useful way to gain this type of knowledge.

A lot of thought about self knowledge leads to finding out why people act in certain ways. That's why I watch and emulate certain sexual/romantic situations from characters in movies that can contribute to my confidence during everyday life.

The connection between the way people think, act and reading where a motivation is part of the reason why I want to take a graduate program that includes psychology.

I think body language is definitely a part of seduction and a successful technique.

P.S. Lion keep pushing your limits man all of us want to see your success.

Thanks

Fonzy

I have easter vacation this week and I'm going out every night for a couple of hours to meet women and explore fun. Not "getting laid", that doesn't strife my mind. It makes it so much more fun to go out and I have only been the observer very little since. I have a really strong control over my "state" because of not thinking about getting laid.

Since my lightbulb I've had girls so willingly want to be with me but they don't show it. It's very, very subtle. They also communicate that they REALLY want me to lead them.

Just earlier tonight I met two group of girls. One of them asked me to come with them to another bar but I stayed with the other group. Eventually the place closed and they went happily with me to the other bar while all the other girls in the bar looked over and thought, "who is this guy?"

It's a very proactive style because you are the man who makes things happen and it takes a lot of energy! but it's a such great skill to improve.

Why? because when you are the man who makes things happen and don't want anything in return, people comes to you for a good time, especially women ...

It also develops your skills as a great leader for sure...

The thing I'm curious about is that when you are bringing all this value without being a threat (or much of a threat ) I tend to have my balance (focus point) come up to my chest and up to my head rather than having it stay low where it's sexy and controlled.

It's something I have noticed when I am very lively and talk loudly because of the music.

Can anyone relate? Suggestions?

You are definitely demonstrating the effects of WM 2 nicely. Your journey has been impressive.

The point of focus shifts during the program, and only at the end does it find "home point". Being out of your root point is going to be what makes you enjoyable and nonthreatening, while being able to bring the encounter to whatever you want otherwise. But you're not done yet. It'll get easier to express sexuality and seduce sexually toward the end.

Writing my thoughts out after have gone out 9 nights straight...

Doing things for your own reasons is really lonely sometimes.. but all the people who I've seen being very skilled at something has done things for their own reasons and not for others.

It kinda starts with a underlying fear of not wanting to show up then it becomes more lonely as I wander into the "field". A friend is comforting to have around in a club/bar but it is not possible to always have a friend that is willing to do what you want to do...

Then I realize while I am interacting with girls that I'll always have this feeling if I want to be a centered man with purpose and not let others dictate what I want in life...

Yesterday I saw the movie, "Dead Man" starring Johnny Depp and I think it is a great example of the "lonely" subject.

Another thing about doing things for your own reasons, I was with a new friend of mine who also goes out a lot. He mention women as bitches and he is very direct to a point I think it is too much and not me at all but I'm always open for experienced, risk-taking and edgy guys to expand my horizon.
He gets a lot of one night stands and it is with above average looking girls.

I was with him earlier today for the first time for "real" and I fell in the trap of being the 3rd wheel.

I was very devaluing my true self and I just stood there not doing anything that I really wanted. I felt very uncomfortable and I when I'm in that state I know that if I went over to some people to talk to them, I would only take value and I would be pretty needy.

So I decided to go. As I walked out of the big super arena I suddenly felt much better. My sense of value of myself just sky-rocketed.
At the busstop and in the bus I noticed a lot of girls looking lingering when we hit eye contact.

So all in all, doing things for your own purposes and reasons and not compromise it for anyone ever!
I think that is what sets us free as men...

The word, "entitlement" is a very interesting thing to develop and ponder over...

I think it is the very essence of living in a world of your own rules and doing things because that is what you want...

I find it being mixed up with pride and the ego sometimes but it happens rarely. It usually happens that when I get in conflict with a girl for refusing my entitlement in a very uncool manner.

Then comes the fine line of self-respect and not taking myself too seriously, for example when I sense that the girl is positioning herself near me and hope I talk to her again...

What are your thoughts on this? Can you relate?


Stage 4 - Day 14,


I slipped back into idle time and unworthiness after the 11 nights out straight. I skipped the gym and I didn't do much but procrastinating not going out even though I had the chance to do so. Slept late. Just laying the bed with no enthusiasm for life. I became weaker emotionally and also physically..

It happened over the course of 3-4 days and it was part also because I had a re-exam I had 3-4 days to study up to.

When I finally hit the gym I could not lift as much as last week.

But just by showing up in the gym was the step I had to take to reinforce the good habits again and start "living" my life again. Since then I've been to the gym every day and started going out again.

Meeting women has become very easy for me because I assume that they want to talk to me and I am worthy. It starts out by me not being so comfortable but as I get in tune with talking to women as the night progresses I am not giving a f*** and I feel I get less and less attached to whatever the girl responds.
I learn a lot by meeting and talking to women. About myself and about women.

Now whenever I begin to doubt if I want to do.. for example my morning workout, going to the gym or going out at night and meeting women, I ask myself; "It may be hard now but it is a decision you have to make now if you want to go for your dreams. Look at the bigger picture and create these great habits by just doing it NOW and that will naturally guide you to an easier and simpler way to get what you want".

Here are some key sentences for myself that I've been experimenting with lately:

- entitlement, leading, girls love it, you are the shit, you expect that people are going to listen to you or do things for you without a doubt not forcing it, which puts the ego in danger, but being it.. being vulnerable about it

- sexual, strong eye-contact, no flinching, sure and centered

- move the girl, setting the frame, "of course we are going, that's what we've been doing all the time"

- being stupid, talking shit, not talking logically at all: passing of girls shit-tests

- consciously grounding and not giving a fuck emotionally: strong frame of your own reality that draws the girl into it

- different ranges of emotions, keyword: strong emotions which means strong masculinity to handle it

- do not get emotionally off-balance so you embody the emotions, yes do it certain situations where it will fuel the strong emotions but never be attached to it , makes you look more real

- push/pull ! ! ! !! ! !

Stage 4 - Day 17,


Daytime experiences: when I am consciously grounding myself and not giving a f*** I can more easily enter my real authentic self, like taking nothing too seriously and just doing what I feel is right in the moment.
I do miss a lot of opportunities but it's more based on my habits of not going over to the girl.

I also have a bit harder time to make a smile but I think it is very much because when I smiled before it was smiling because of my gentleness and now when I think of it I sense that many times it has been validation seeking. I do need to put a smirk on without emotions attached to it.

By not smiling as I was doing before and by grounding myself consciously, the girl usually hold eye-contact much longer than before. I also sense women are sensing me and it is like a social pressure somehow but by holding my ground, I feel I can relax and still be focused much more consistent.

Nighttime experience: Tried some RSD stuff out and most girls seems to be ok by me calling them sluts


Overall: I am really feeling entitled to say hi to a girl or a group of girls. It's very rarely that they reject me as long as I can keep talking and leading in the beginning.

Feeling so entitled also makes a rejection like, "WTF?" I had a girl push my hand away, in a bar at a small dance-floor, when I held it out to let her take it. I pushed her as she were going away right after she pushed my hand and she looked over her shoulder and I gave her the eyes of "YOU ARE DISGUSTING".
The next hour she placed herself near me all the time, sometimes (I think) even touching me lightly from time to time, while I was talking with different friends.

I kinda knew she wanted to apologize but I actually felt quite annoyed, like really disgusted by her action, so I felt like if I did go over to her, I would feel very bad about myself for not being true to myself and she would probably tune in on that and maybe make it even worse, she was the cutest girl in the room though...

Stage 4 - Day 19,


Met a sweet girl last night. After we made out and talked some more, she said about herself that she was like a butterfly... and she had found her flower ;-P

And she definitely was one.

We were holding hands then her friends points out to her that some famous DJ which is her mothers boyfriends son just arrived and she immediately threw my hand away.

The dynamic between us just got very different and it was like she wasn't open for the connection as we had before, where we would look each other in the eyes and just feel it.. Like nothing else existed...

She was being very sure that the guy didn't see us doing stuff.

Well, I don't blame her. It's just as it is! I do blame myself a bit. I think I could have done things differently... (Not talking about the outcome, since she asked to go home with me but after that guy arrived with his friends and hit on girls in their too nice ways)

I was also quite comfortable being there, only flirting a bit with other girls around me.

Also I found other girls physically more attractive in the room. I was playing it safe with this one though, mostly because I didn't have to do much and she was a sweet girl...