Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Wiseg9999]

Shannon, 2 questions please.
1. Have you had anyone use your subliminals that has Schizophrenia? If yes what was their experience, is it safe?
2. Would LTU be a good choice for said person?
thanks Shannon

[Shannon]

@Shannon

How are things going with DMSI?

Right now I am still working on the same step I was last time someone asked this.  It is a slow, painfully demanding, specific and exacting process to build and optimize this particular section of script.

[Shannon]

Shannon, 2 questions please.
1. Have you had anyone use your subliminals that has Schizophrenia? If yes what was their experience, is it safe?
2. Would LTU be a good choice for said person?
thanks Shannon

In response to Q1:

We specifically state in our terms of use that if you have a mental or emotional disorder that requires professional attention, or for which you are (or should be) taking medication, not to use our subliminals.

Not that everyone pays attention or follows that, but it is uncertain how it would affect such people to use a subliminal.  

I don't remember anyone specifically reporting that someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia used any of my subliminals.  I don't know if it is safe, and that is why I specifically say that you shouldn't do it.  

In response to Q2: I am not a doctor or a psychologist or psychiatrist.  I cannot give medical or psychological advice like that.

[CatMan]

Shannon, 2 questions please.
1. Have you had anyone use your subliminals that has Schizophrenia? If yes what was their experience, is it safe?
2. Would LTU be a good choice for said person?
thanks Shannon

In response to Q1:

We specifically state in our terms of use that if you have a mental or emotional disorder that requires professional attention, or for which you are (or should be) taking medication, not to use our subliminals.

Not that everyone pays attention or follows that, but it is uncertain how it would affect such people to use a subliminal.  

I don't remember anyone specifically reporting that someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia used any of my subliminals.  I don't know if it is safe, and that is why I specifically say that you shouldn't do it.  

In response to Q2: I am not a doctor or a psychologist or psychiatrist.  I cannot give medical or psychological advice like that.

Hi Shannon. Perhaps you don't recall my posts about this issue. I can add some perspective here. My brother has Schizophrenia. I've spoken about it before here, as well as his use of subs. He is followed by a doctor, medication etc.

That said, as I've mentioned before, OF 5.75G is the first sub to finally show real progress with his paranoia, that has derailed more things than I can count. E2, E3, OF4G, OF5G, ARA, all of them did not help beyond at times stopping an attack or lessening it. Even then, that was pretty rare. When OF 5.75G debuted, I hesitated getting it for him for awhile, remembering how hard we tried with the other subs with getting the loops in and just huge hours of listening daily with the earlier versions. But, I thought the money to me is nothing...having a chance to rid my brother of this horrible paranoia is worth it! At present, OF has given him over a month of zero paranoia. Which has been unheard of, since the attacks began over 15 years ago when I took him out. They've happened ever since...for 15 years. Awful, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Hopefully now, this will hold and he will be rid of them for good. I plan to keep him going on the 8 month run. Excellent response to this one, at last. I told him I'm jealous of his results with a sub, haha! Maybe I'll join him in the Winner's Circle with the next version of DMSI . I can say this OF is a step forward, that's for sure. Both for myself, and my brother. So that's a good sign of what's to come for me!

Anyway, just wanted you to know. All the best. Looking forward to DMSI down the road, when it's ready. Pretty hard to use such a program effectively right now anyway, let's face it. I mean, it's been since February that I've been in an environment with a female I know I'm attracted to that DMSI could've worked with. If anything, it can be used to FRM to prepare for the future, as here there's talk of another lockdown because people are being idiots so... so that alone may be my reason for switching when the time comes, we'll see. For now, OF is doing good for me and my brother!

[Benjamin]

That's awesome to hear Catman!

[furcelli]

I recently purchased LTU6 and am in the process of running Stage 1. I was wondering if someone could clarify about the program removing toxins from the body. 

I have been taking some nootropics, aka "smart drugs" prior to starting LTU. I don't really consider them toxins, but I notice you said that caffeine and nicotine, which many people also regularly use for brain enhancement will be detoxed. That leads me to believe any exogenous chemical whether it be actual medication or just supplements should be avoided.

So I am wondering if I should discontinue supplements/drugs all together as I proceed with the program for the best results. Of course, I have permission from my doctor to wean off the prescription drugs I have been taking.

[apollolux]

You guys do realize that discussing all this about DMSI 3.3.3 is useless in this thread, right?  It's going to get lost and I'm not going to spend time searching for it.  You should be posting it in a thread dedicated to this if you want it to be considered for use.

Understandable.

Also, as a programmer myself I'm excited to read about you getting excited about relearning yourself some programming with this new Xojo version!

[Griffin]

Shannon, i saw you talking about procrastinating being a deeper issue like fear.
I always have had problems with procrastinating, and i have ADHD inattentive type(ADD)
In this i was thinking that maybe its not only fear.
But physical. As it is explained by some experts on ADHD.
Studies have found that ADHD is associated with weaker function and structure of prefrontal cortex (PFC)

The prefontal cortex is often associated with procrastinating.
So i was wondering if the overcome procrastinating sub also deals with this physical issue.

I am on OF since the beginning but have not seen much improvement in my procrastinating.
So maybe fear is not the only issue in my case.

[Wiseg9999]

Thanks Catman, I will send you a PM soon ill need some advice if you dont mind.
Of course ill talk to a doctor, but they're never care about alternative medicines or lifestyle whatsoever

Shannon, 2 questions please.
1. Have you had anyone use your subliminals that has Schizophrenia? If yes what was their experience, is it safe?
2. Would LTU be a good choice for said person?
thanks Shannon

In response to Q1:

We specifically state in our terms of use that if you have a mental or emotional disorder that requires professional attention, or for which you are (or should be) taking medication, not to use our subliminals.

Not that everyone pays attention or follows that, but it is uncertain how it would affect such people to use a subliminal.  

I don't remember anyone specifically reporting that someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia used any of my subliminals.  I don't know if it is safe, and that is why I specifically say that you shouldn't do it.  

In response to Q2: I am not a doctor or a psychologist or psychiatrist.  I cannot give medical or psychological advice like that.

Hi Shannon. Perhaps you don't recall my posts about this issue. I can add some perspective here. My brother has Schizophrenia. I've spoken about it before here, as well as his use of subs. He is followed by a doctor, medication etc.

That said, as I've mentioned before, OF 5.75G is the first sub to finally show real progress with his paranoia, that has derailed more things than I can count. E2, E3, OF4G, OF5G, ARA, all of them did not help beyond at times stopping an attack or lessening it. Even then, that was pretty rare. When OF 5.75G debuted, I hesitated getting it for him for awhile, remembering how hard we tried with the other subs with getting the loops in and just huge hours of listening daily with the earlier versions. But, I thought the money to me is nothing...having a chance to rid my brother of this horrible paranoia is worth it! At present, OF has given him over a month of zero paranoia. Which has been unheard of, since the attacks began over 15 years ago when I took him out. They've happened ever since...for 15 years. Awful, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Hopefully now, this will hold and he will be rid of them for good. I plan to keep him going on the 8 month run. Excellent response to this one, at last. I told him I'm jealous of his results with a sub, haha! Maybe I'll join him in the Winner's Circle with the next version of DMSI . I can say this OF is a step forward, that's for sure. Both for myself, and my brother. So that's a good sign of what's to come for me!

Anyway, just wanted you to know. All the best. Looking forward to DMSI down the road, when it's ready. Pretty hard to use such a program effectively right now anyway, let's face it. I mean, it's been since February that I've been in an environment with a female I know I'm attracted to that DMSI could've worked with. If anything, it can be used to FRM to prepare for the future, as here there's talk of another lockdown because people are being idiots so... so that alone may be my reason for switching when the time comes, we'll see. For now, OF is doing good for me and my brother!

[Shannon]

Shannon, 2 questions please.
1. Have you had anyone use your subliminals that has Schizophrenia? If yes what was their experience, is it safe?
2. Would LTU be a good choice for said person?
thanks Shannon

In response to Q1:

We specifically state in our terms of use that if you have a mental or emotional disorder that requires professional attention, or for which you are (or should be) taking medication, not to use our subliminals.

Not that everyone pays attention or follows that, but it is uncertain how it would affect such people to use a subliminal.  

I don't remember anyone specifically reporting that someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia used any of my subliminals.  I don't know if it is safe, and that is why I specifically say that you shouldn't do it.  

In response to Q2: I am not a doctor or a psychologist or psychiatrist.  I cannot give medical or psychological advice like that.

Hi Shannon. Perhaps you don't recall my posts about this issue. I can add some perspective here. My brother has Schizophrenia. I've spoken about it before here, as well as his use of subs. He is followed by a doctor, medication etc.

That said, as I've mentioned before, OF 5.75G is the first sub to finally show real progress with his paranoia, that has derailed more things than I can count. E2, E3, OF4G, OF5G, ARA, all of them did not help beyond at times stopping an attack or lessening it. Even then, that was pretty rare. When OF 5.75G debuted, I hesitated getting it for him for awhile, remembering how hard we tried with the other subs with getting the loops in and just huge hours of listening daily with the earlier versions. But, I thought the money to me is nothing...having a chance to rid my brother of this horrible paranoia is worth it! At present, OF has given him over a month of zero paranoia. Which has been unheard of, since the attacks began over 15 years ago when I took him out. They've happened ever since...for 15 years. Awful, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Hopefully now, this will hold and he will be rid of them for good. I plan to keep him going on the 8 month run. Excellent response to this one, at last. I told him I'm jealous of his results with a sub, haha! Maybe I'll join him in the Winner's Circle with the next version of DMSI . I can say this OF is a step forward, that's for sure. Both for myself, and my brother. So that's a good sign of what's to come for me!

Anyway, just wanted you to know. All the best. Looking forward to DMSI down the road, when it's ready. Pretty hard to use such a program effectively right now anyway, let's face it. I mean, it's been since February that I've been in an environment with a female I know I'm attracted to that DMSI could've worked with. If anything, it can be used to FRM to prepare for the future, as here there's talk of another lockdown because people are being idiots so... so that alone may be my reason for switching when the time comes, we'll see. For now, OF is doing good for me and my brother!

I have been unusually exhausted lately because I have been pushing myself so hard.  My attention is going in a lot of directions right now, and I'm spending most of my days in a state of hyperfocus in order to work as quickly as possible.  I suspect that is why I did not remember your mention of it.  Yesterday, gf "borrowed the car" for almost 6 hours, and it was like the blink of an eye.  I was surprised she was back so soon, until I realized how long it had been.  Then I was frustrated to have to stop for dinner, and that I had forgotten to shower.  lol

It is good news that it's helping your brother, but please be careful.  

What are you seeing it do for you?  I would say that given all of what's going on, you would do well to consider OF a "clearing and prep stage" for DMSI, and use it for the full 8 months.  I would estimate that we are not going to see the end of this pandemic until at least March of 2021, and possibly as late as October of 2021, because certain people are being stupid.  But remember that your issues stem almost completely from a fear induced internal lockdown, and that OF is going to be the best thing possible for making you ready so that DMSI can work.  

I know we're going to get you past this, but it is going to take some serious work.

[Shannon]

I recently purchased LTU6 and am in the process of running Stage 1. I was wondering if someone could clarify about the program removing toxins from the body. 

I have been taking some nootropics, aka "smart drugs" prior to starting LTU. I don't really consider them toxins, but I notice you said that caffeine and nicotine, which many people also regularly use for brain enhancement will be detoxed. That leads me to believe any exogenous chemical whether it be actual medication or just supplements should be avoided.

So I am wondering if I should discontinue supplements/drugs all together as I proceed with the program for the best results. Of course, I have permission from my doctor to wean off the prescription drugs I have been taking.

The detox module relies on the subconscious and the body to define what a toxin is.  If it is something your subconscious defines as a toxin, it will be affected; likewise, if it is something that your body works to remove from your system via it's natural detoxification organs (liver, mainly) then it's likely going to be flushed out.

Beyond that, I can't tell you how nootropics will be affected.  I do know that it affects caffeine, nicotine, alcohol and a number of other things.  Nicotine is literally a toxin created by a plant to prevent bugs from eating it, and is (was?) used by farmers as an insecticide.  That's a pretty clear sign it's a toxin, as is how your body reacts when you try to start smoking.  It takes effort across the board to get yourself addicted.  

Nicotine isn't a "brain enhancer", by the way.  From what I have come to understand, its effects are almost entirely limited to countering its own withdrawal symptoms; in other words, it slowly lowers you during withdrawal, and another dose brings you back to where you were before you started smoking in the first place.  But because you were lowered so slowly, you don't notice that; only the rapid return to a better place.  Which is where you are all the time, before you start smoking.

Alcohol is also a poison, which is why you can kill yourself in a single day by drinking too much of it.  It's why your body will prioritize removal of it over even the survival of your most protected organ, the brain, by using up all the moisture necessary in your body to metabolize it.  When you drink so much that it causes your brain to dehydrate, you get what is known as a "hangover".  In a life threatening situation, your body will sacrifice almost anything else in your body to keep your brain safe and alive, but it will even prioritize the removal of alcohol above this.  That's a poison.

Caffeine can cause addiction and it can be overdosed on, and in a state of overdose it can cause poisoning symptoms.  

Basically, again, is it something that either your body or your subconscious considers a toxin?  And I can't tell you specifically what the complete list of substances that includes is.

[Aventus45]

It’s definitely a good time for personal growth cause of the virus making social interactions a bit risky so LTUv6 and OF 5.75 are attractive options for me. It also makes testing DMSI kind of weird imo.

[Shannon]

You guys do realize that discussing all this about DMSI 3.3.3 is useless in this thread, right?  It's going to get lost and I'm not going to spend time searching for it.  You should be posting it in a thread dedicated to this if you want it to be considered for use.

Understandable.

Also, as a programmer myself I'm excited to read about you getting excited about relearning yourself some programming with this new Xojo version!

I am enjoying it, but it's also frustrating.  Teaching myself is required in this case, and with something as complex as a programming language, even with great documentation it takes time.  Programming has also become more developed and complex than when I was doing it a lot. 

Last time I taught myself programming it was my love and passion for what I was creating a program for that led to me doing what was necessary through the many hours and days of frustration trying to find my way through.  I suppose it will be not much different this time.  But the pain it will save me will definitely be worth the pain of figuring this out!

[Shannon]

Shannon, i saw you talking about procrastinating being a deeper issue like fear.
I always have had problems with procrastinating, and i have ADHD inattentive type(ADD)
In this i was thinking that maybe its not only fear.
But physical. As it is explained by some experts on ADHD.
Studies have found that ADHD is associated with weaker function and structure of prefrontal cortex (PFC)

The prefontal cortex is often associated with procrastinating.
So i was wondering if the overcome procrastinating sub also deals with this physical issue.

I am on OF since the beginning but have not seen much improvement in my procrastinating.
So maybe fear is not the only issue in my case.

The prefrontal cortex being associated with procrastinating means nothing when it comes to determining if the physical is causing it, influencing it, or simply where the associated activity comes from.  Studies finding that ADHD correlates to weaker function of the PFC also do not show a correlation between the PFC and procrastination.  All we really know is, some of the activity in the brain that happens during procrastination is in the PFC.  Given that, what would I be doing in a subliminal to solve a problem I don't even know is there?  A lot of people love to blame their choices on genetics or their brain or whatever.  Sure, an unusual PFC configuration could influence whether or not you procrastinate and to what degree, but procrastination is still a CHOICE.  It's not forced on you.  If it was not a choice, then there would be no response to subliminals designed to eliminate it; we would not see active resistance responses.  Instead we would see that "nothing happens".

So far all of the evidence I have points to A) procrastination is a choice; B) it is a choice being made and enacted by the irrational brain/mind; and C) it is based on a very high degree of motivation to achieve that procrastination.

And, so far, the only thing I have seen that produces that level of response and resistance always boils down to FEAR.  In the case of procrastination, I strongly suspect that it boils down to a fear of losing self control because someone told you what to do.

You are on OF since the beginning, but that's how long now?  Out of the 8 months it takes for one run through?  Which is designed to untagle and dissolve ALL of your fears?  And which may not get to the particular fears necessary to kill your procrastination sooner than later?  I would hardly call that result evidence of anything.