Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Tao374]

Well, I'm concerned it'll be what he spoke of way back.

Changing the program to only target women who ALREADY are attracted to you. Which obviously just ruins everything and defeats the whole purpose of running the sub. If you don't have any girls attracted to you now (whether or not you find them attractive is another problem altogether with this), then nothing happens. Plus, let's face it, the point of running the program is to get girls who are beyond your grasp currently. That's just reality. Because if they were already in your grasp, and attracted to you, and you to them, you wouldn't need the program to begin with. So the logic of changing to this made no sense to me.

Was always very concerned whenever he'd bring up that possible change. I hope that never comes to pass.

Not quite. You’d be surprised how many women are attracted to you but expect you to make the moves. If the guy doesn’t make the move, nothing happens. If the sub helps facilitate those interactions then it’s a net positive and something of a sexual lubricant for making things much easier.

You don’t need to convince women who don’t want you that you’re worthy my friend. Please let that go

100% agreed.

I think you would also have to consider that the sub is increasing your sexual aura, pheromone levels and improving your body language as you use it.  Therefore after a few months or weeks of using you are more likely to have higher quality woman being attracted to you than on day one.  As you improve the sub would be targeting higher quality woman.

[CatMan]

Well, I'm concerned it'll be what he spoke of way back.

Changing the program to only target women who ALREADY are attracted to you. Which obviously just ruins everything and defeats the whole purpose of running the sub. If you don't have any girls attracted to you now (whether or not you find them attractive is another problem altogether with this), then nothing happens. Plus, let's face it, the point of running the program is to get girls who are beyond your grasp currently. That's just reality. Because if they were already in your grasp, and attracted to you, and you to them, you wouldn't need the program to begin with. So the logic of changing to this made no sense to me.

Was always very concerned whenever he'd bring up that possible change. I hope that never comes to pass.

Not quite. You’d be surprised how many women are attracted to you but expect you to make the moves. If the guy doesn’t make the move, nothing happens. If the sub helps facilitate those interactions then it’s a net positive and something of a sexual lubricant for making things much easier.

You don’t need to convince women who don’t want you that you’re worthy my friend. Please let that go

Hi there, old friend! Thanks for taking the time to write a post to me.

First off, my post was about the worry of Shannon changing the sub to only affect women already attracted to you as he's spoken of before. I believe that would devastate the program. Especially in my case with women around me who have already rejected me or I have no deep interest in, negate it's purpose, and the reason why we use it is to get women who are currently out of our reach. If they were in our reach and we liked each other, then obviously no program would be needed anyway.

But yeah, if I've asked the girl out and she wasn't interested, I naturally take that as not being worthy for whatever reason in her eyes. If I was, she'd be all over it. I always ask myself in every interaction with a girl, if she'd treat Justin Bieber or Drake the same way. Keeps me from deluding myself to spare my ego, and clarifies the truth that is a lack of attraction from her and low worth in her eyes for whatever reason. It is what it is, can't force attraction. But if I want a girl, obviously it matters what she thinks of me. Because if she doesn't like me, nothing happens and it's a failure. And it's readily apparent who has value and does not in such a situation is all I mean. This is why I don't understand when people say to not care, others don't determine your worth, when yes, girls do. They do get a say. I've never been able to understand that.

Oh I do make moves, as I've talked about before. Not since this crap popped off near the start of the year, of course. Last one was in February, went badly and was painful and embarrassing, as usual...ended up making my mental mountain with girls just a little bit taller now, oof. Probably why coupled with the virus stuff, I've pulled back even further and feel even lower interest in "trying" with them. I think I'm just really fed up with "trying" and "making moves", and zero appreciation or it ever not being a failure and a painful embarrassment being unfortunate enough to become attracted to them somehow. No matter what, they just don't seem to be into it, I'm always such a great "friend". So at some point you just say screw it, "I'm just not the exciting hot douche bad boy they seem to be addicted to and chase despite always whining about them and how they want "good men", whatever why bother".

Maybe this sub can change that issue and they WILL see worth going forward and start saying yes, or even do something themselves to drive interactions like they're alleged to on the sales page. We'll see, I'm extremely skeptical, naturally given my background with girls and because they seem to have mountains of options by default anyway and zero appreciation for any individual guy due to the options they have, and a hair trigger sensitivity to cut you off for the slightest infraction. I only see them act like that, thirsting and chasing, for bad boys, or famous guys. But I do constantly struggle with a lot of resentment towards them from their treatment of me, and wonder if I truly want such treatment in my life and if women are actually worth it after all...

Thank you very much for thinking of me and posting, friend. Please stay safe, Dr. . We need you until a vaccine. Thank you so deeply for your contribution to society, especially now.

[lano1106]

I agree as well.

All/Most women are beyond my grasp

seems to me like a negative belief more than a fact.

[NOMAD]

Well, I'm concerned it'll be what he spoke of way back.

Changing the program to only target women who ALREADY are attracted to you. Which obviously just ruins everything and defeats the whole purpose of running the sub. If you don't have any girls attracted to you now (whether or not you find them attractive is another problem altogether with this), then nothing happens. Plus, let's face it, the point of running the program is to get girls who are beyond your grasp currently. That's just reality. Because if they were already in your grasp, and attracted to you, and you to them, you wouldn't need the program to begin with. So the logic of changing to this made no sense to me.

Was always very concerned whenever he'd bring up that possible change. I hope that never comes to pass.

Not quite. You’d be surprised how many women are attracted to you but expect you to make the moves. If the guy doesn’t make the move, nothing happens. If the sub helps facilitate those interactions then it’s a net positive and something of a sexual lubricant for making things much easier.

You don’t need to convince women who don’t want you that you’re worthy my friend. Please let that go

^^^Exactly^^^

Catman, the whole sex/attraction game is so much more complex than you can imagine. It's like a dance where each partner is in a continual state of adaptation, counterbalance, and motion. One of the problems here is that you seem to be static...stuck in your own paradigm, which frankly, is a position of inexperience and ignorance (ignorance = lacking knowledge...I'm not saying you're stupid). It seems to me that you've basically trapped yourself in a mental box and you expect "reality" to play by the rules you've established inside that box. It's not gonna happen. As long as you remain in that box, your experiences are never going to change. Shannon has told you this multiple times now.

Some of what I've written might (or might not) sting, but I'm not saying any of this to be mean. I'm actually really wanting to see things change for you. You come across as a really good guy that's hurting inside. I know that DMSI is what you want, but I'm not convinced that it's what you need.

[Aventus45]

Well just have to run it and see how it is gonna work. It’s undoubtedly a tall order for a subliminal program.

[Rusty]

edited: nevermind

[Omni3]

@Shannon

Great to hear about the 'script processing' 'engine'

Go Shannon

[Shannon]

Up

the new premise
Shannon:
It's going to remain a secret.  But I am pretty sure that it's going to make the goals easier to reach.


Me:
 This 'new central  premise,with which to  base DMSI on,would this also be applicable ,would you say,to other programs in the future as well or is it,  one and only specifically to  DMSI,alone????

Fear remover 4.9 after a year of development and upgrading from 4.8
New scripting tech.
Platinum Build and yet
3rd break through(recently) and
Now THIS???
WTF? how do  you do this stuff man and keep up with all else going on around and in your life. dang!!??
What in the world is gonna be in UMS2,by the time we 'get there' I wonder.???
It will be outta this world by then. geez.

This is only applicable to DMSI.  The central premise of the program is the key around which everything it is attempting to accomplish is based and built.  If it can be refined or optimized, then the result should be an improvement in how well the program as a whole works.  My understanding since I last built it has become more refined, and I now believe that the previous premise was aiming at something that was a good goal, but generated a significant amount of resistance at the same time.  The new premise aims to be as close as possible to the old one in motivation towards achieving the goal, while removing the resistance trigger.

There are going to be a lot of changes to how I do things by the time I finish DMSI 3.3.3, and then I will have a new skeleton script to work from as a result.  Lot of improvements going into this program, both in the skeleton script and in the DMSI-specific stuff.  In general, I won't be talking about them or reporting them.  I'll let the program's results speak for themselves when it is released, and you can decide what you think of the improvements I have made.

But there is a lot of rapid advancement happening behind the scenes right now, and it will probably continue into 2021.  I guess "it's time" now.

Shannon, 

Will these changes in the Skeleton script carry over to programs like E4 or is that further down the line?

E4 will be branched from LTUv6.  That will happen before DMSI is finished.

[Shannon]

Well, I'm concerned it'll be what he spoke of way back.

Changing the program to only target women who ALREADY are attracted to you. Which obviously just ruins everything and defeats the whole purpose of running the sub. If you don't have any girls attracted to you now (whether or not you find them attractive is another problem altogether with this), then nothing happens. Plus, let's face it, the point of running the program is to get girls who are beyond your grasp currently. That's just reality. Because if they were already in your grasp, and attracted to you, and you to them, you wouldn't need the program to begin with. So the logic of changing to this made no sense to me.

Was always very concerned whenever he'd bring up that possible change. I hope that never comes to pass.

I am always amused at how readily you fear that I will do something that doesn't make sense.  

The program has never, and will never focus only on people who are already attracted to you.  It does focus on them, but they are focused on because they would be easy candidates for success.  They are not and never were the only focus of the program.

[Rusty]

Will E4 contain FRM 4.9? and if so, is the script will be also better improved then E3 script?
I plan on buyingAM6 after this, so if it remove fears i think it should make AM program more powerful

[4Kingdoms]

I just posted this in the Chatter Box... Enjoy!!
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Brain...-helped-me

[KingDavid93]

@Shannon

The last couple of days on LTU6 I have been feeling very conflicted (best way of putting it)- I wake up not knowing what I should be doing or where I should be going- it’s a very weird feeling

Is this what deep internal change feels like?

And when I feel like this should I take a break until things even out or blast ltu6 until I feel normal again or better than normal?

[apollolux]

Hm, I'm not sure how to feel about the conjecture about what's actually changing in DMSI. I just want DMSI to be useful and ultimately do the opposite of the stuff it did poorly. I did not listen to DMSI for years expecting the outcome to be women trying to use me for their own selfish purposes and claiming to love me as a manipulation tactic, promising sex only to leave me hanging, and I certainly did not listen to it for years expecting the belief that women would only be sexually attracted to me if I had money to be strengthened. Fix both of those.

[Aventus45]

Hm, I'm not sure how to feel about the conjecture about what's actually changing in DMSI. I just want DMSI to be useful and ultimately do the opposite of the stuff it did poorly. I did not listen to DMSI for years expecting the outcome to be women trying to use me for their own selfish purposes and claiming to love me as a manipulation tactic, promising sex only to leave me hanging, and I certainly did not listen to it for years expecting the belief that women would only be sexually attracted to me if I had money to be strengthened. Fix both of those.

I thought DMSI has some kind of programming to prevent women who operate in that manner to not be attracted. If not, I’m sure the shield can help with it