Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Hanpan]

I was a bit surprised by this.

Would it be possible for you to briefly sum up the suggested format and volume level for iphone speaker and earbuds for OF?

I am quite sure that I have read conflicting information about using hybrid with earphones or earbuds:
a) Do not do it
b) It can be done as long the volume of the audible (masked) track is well within comfortable range, or one click lower.

A final word on this would be great Shannon. Thanks.

When using ultrasonic or hybrid, it is not recommended that you use it on headphones because it can cause damage if the ultrasonic portion is too loud.  Earbuds put the speaker physically inside your ear.  That means the relative volume will be even higher than it was with headphones, at the same volume setting.  

What I want to clarify is that when I say to use it on your phone at 13/15, I mean that it should be played through the phone's speaker at that volume.  It will very likely be too loud through headphones, and especially through earbuds, at that very same volume.  Even more especially if it is ultrasonic, or includes ultrasonic.

You can use ultrasonic or hybrid through headphones or earbuds, but it isn't a good idea.  If you do, you have to adjust the volume to be appropriate to the proximity of the speaker to your ear by calibrating with an audible source.  You also have to pay close attention to whether the volume causes you tinnitus, and either lower it or switch tracks if it does.

That is the final word.

Apologize if this has been my question below has been clarified in another thread, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

Is one format stronger/more effective than another?

As far as I understand from the post below, you can use:
a) Ultrasonic or hybrid on 13/15 on your phone speaker. I guess this also depends on how far the speaker is away from your head, or: 
b) Masked on (medium volume) with earbuds/headphones.

The formats are different because they use different methods and volumes to achieve the goal of communivcating the subliminalized script.  "Better" and "stronger" are not applicable because it depends on the person.  Some people respond better to masked format; some to ultrasonic, and some to hybrid.  What is "better" depends on what works better for you.  "Stronger" is also relative because A) stronger isn't always better, and B) really there is no difference in "strength" between any of the formats, since "strength" relies on the script, which is the same for each format.

That said, masked uses volume differencing to present the script subliminally, and low volume specifically.  This results in a gentler approach which communicates to deeper levels of the subconscious.  If you happen to have a certain personality type, this will be much "better" because it is most effective.  But for some other personality types, it is not motivating enough to be as effective as one of the other formats would be.  

For ultrasonic format, it is more motivating, but may be interpreted as "being told what to do".  In that case, it will tend to trigger resistance from some personality types, while others are more motivated and get better results from it.

Hybrid format is both of the other two formats at once.  This is as much input as you can get at once, and therefore theoretically the "strongest" approach possible, but again, for some people it's too much, too aggressive, etc. and for others it's very effective.  It depends on what works best for your personality type and your specific usage requirements.

I have recently concluded that it is useless for me to try to get specific with volumes, because different phones have different volumes t the same "volume level", and because they also have differences in where the speaker is relative to the microphone, there is no way for me to be specific and have it make sense for someone else.  So my advice now must return to what it was to begin with, which is to calibrate volume using an audible track, make it comfortable, and make sure that you can both hear the lowest levels of the ocean surf and the highest levels are not too loud.  That should be the right volume for all the tracks, and if you find that is too loud with the ultrasonic track, lower it some.

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

[RTBoss]

I am quite sure that I have read conflicting information about using hybrid with earphones or earbuds:
a) Do not do it
b) It can be done as long the volume of the audible (masked) track is well within comfortable range, or one click lower.

A final word on this would be great Shannon. Thanks.

When using ultrasonic or hybrid, it is not recommended that you use it on headphones because it can cause damage if the ultrasonic portion is too loud.  Earbuds put the speaker physically inside your ear.  That means the relative volume will be even higher than it was with headphones, at the same volume setting.  

What I want to clarify is that when I say to use it on your phone at 13/15, I mean that it should be played through the phone's speaker at that volume.  It will very likely be too loud through headphones, and especially through earbuds, at that very same volume.  Even more especially if it is ultrasonic, or includes ultrasonic.

You can use ultrasonic or hybrid through headphones or earbuds, but it isn't a good idea.  If you do, you have to adjust the volume to be appropriate to the proximity of the speaker to your ear by calibrating with an audible source.  You also have to pay close attention to whether the volume causes you tinnitus, and either lower it or switch tracks if it does.

That is the final word.

Apologize if this has been my question below has been clarified in another thread, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

Is one format stronger/more effective than another?

As far as I understand from the post below, you can use:
a) Ultrasonic or hybrid on 13/15 on your phone speaker. I guess this also depends on how far the speaker is away from your head, or: 
b) Masked on (medium volume) with earbuds/headphones.

The formats are different because they use different methods and volumes to achieve the goal of communivcating the subliminalized script.  "Better" and "stronger" are not applicable because it depends on the person.  Some people respond better to masked format; some to ultrasonic, and some to hybrid.  What is "better" depends on what works better for you.  "Stronger" is also relative because A) stronger isn't always better, and B) really there is no difference in "strength" between any of the formats, since "strength" relies on the script, which is the same for each format.

That said, masked uses volume differencing to present the script subliminally, and low volume specifically.  This results in a gentler approach which communicates to deeper levels of the subconscious.  If you happen to have a certain personality type, this will be much "better" because it is most effective.  But for some other personality types, it is not motivating enough to be as effective as one of the other formats would be.  

For ultrasonic format, it is more motivating, but may be interpreted as "being told what to do".  In that case, it will tend to trigger resistance from some personality types, while others are more motivated and get better results from it.

Hybrid format is both of the other two formats at once.  This is as much input as you can get at once, and therefore theoretically the "strongest" approach possible, but again, for some people it's too much, too aggressive, etc. and for others it's very effective.  It depends on what works best for your personality type and your specific usage requirements.

I have recently concluded that it is useless for me to try to get specific with volumes, because different phones have different volumes t the same "volume level", and because they also have differences in where the speaker is relative to the microphone, there is no way for me to be specific and have it make sense for someone else.  So my advice now must return to what it was to begin with, which is to calibrate volume using an audible track, make it comfortable, and make sure that you can both hear the lowest levels of the ocean surf and the highest levels are not too loud.  That should be the right volume for all the tracks, and if you find that is too loud with the ultrasonic track, lower it some.

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

Have you had vivid memorable dreams with any other sub?  Some people just don't remember their dreams very well, if ever.

[Determined]

Yo Shannon, this new sub is really really good. I am gobsmacked at how much of a break through this.

You truly are a Master Craftsmen

Thank you!

[Shannon]

Shannon, how do i know if OF 5.75 is loud enough on US format?

I am listening through powered speakers and i am sleeping 2 to 3 meters away.

I calibrated with the hybrid and it is quite loud, like a loud TV.
Im using an old android spare phone - its on about 90% high.

Should i measure from my sleeping position with frequncsee?
thanks.

Shannon’s current official answer to that question, as posted by him a day or two ago is:

Calibrate volume using an audible track, make it comfortable, and make sure that you can both hear the lowest levels of the ocean surf and the highest levels are not too loud.  That should be the right volume for all the tracks, and if you find that is too loud with the ultrasonic track, lower it some.

Yes.  This.

[Shannon]

Yo Shannon, this new sub is really really good. I am gobsmacked at how much of a break through this.

You truly are a Master Craftsmen

Thank you!

Thank you.  I appreciate the compliment.  Are you referring to LTU6?  Both OF and LTU6 are using the same new scripting methods and Platinum Lake build methods, which as you can see, make for a huge difference in how well the programs work.  I was thinking we should call this new level of power 5.85G, but the models did not appear to agree.

[Shannon]

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

You can't judge your results based on someone else's.  If you have calibrated as I suggested, then simply allow the program time to do it's thing.  Not remembering dreams simply means you're having the dream cycle not line up with when you wake up in such a way that you remember the dreams.  It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[Determined]

Yo Shannon, this new sub is really really good. I am gobsmacked at how much of a break through this.

You truly are a Master Craftsmen

Thank you!

Thank you.  I appreciate the compliment.  Are you referring to LTU6?  Both OF and LTU6 are using the same new scripting methods and Platinum Lake build methods, which as you can see, make for a huge difference in how well the programs work.  I was thinking we should call this new level of power 5.85G, but the models did not appear to agree.

LTU6 and yes, very noticeable difference in how the program works. I’m quite satisfied this is an upgrade too. 

I can also see your reasoning behind releasing LTU6 as a six stage set. In retrospect my subconscious must have gotten bored with the last few months usage of LTU5 as I just wasn’t executing that program anymore. 

Thank you for all the work you do!

[Amann]

I saw some comments about changing the ASRB of OF. Can we amend the days off and on?

Was thinking of dropping to 2 days off instead of 3 (keeping loops and days on exactly the same).

[Ryu]

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

You can't judge your results based on someone else's.  If you have calibrated as I suggested, then simply allow the program time to do it's thing.  Not remembering dreams simply means you're having the dream cycle not line up with when you wake up in such a way that you remember the dreams.  It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I play sub on samsung galaxy 10 at only 1 of 15 volume and its strong enough to get great results, it fills the entire room and probably more.
 At 12 of 15 it should be super loud i think.

[ncbeareatingman]

LTU6 description Page???
I look for it once a day, everyday to see if its 'there yet'.
Have a good Vacation. its the 14th.

[Hanpan]

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

You can't judge your results based on someone else's.  If you have calibrated as I suggested, then simply allow the program time to do it's thing.  Not remembering dreams simply means you're having the dream cycle not line up with when you wake up in such a way that you remember the dreams.  It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 Got it. My only concern is that I sleep op the side/stomach with one ear i directly in the pillow. I don't know if that makes any difference?

I've been feeling really the last few days with some unusual moments of minor anxiety, so the sub defiantly does something. Just want to make the most out of it, and sleeping with in-ear headphones is no problem for me.

[RTBoss]

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

You can't judge your results based on someone else's.  If you have calibrated as I suggested, then simply allow the program time to do it's thing.  Not remembering dreams simply means you're having the dream cycle not line up with when you wake up in such a way that you remember the dreams.  It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 Got it. My only concern is that I sleep op the side/stomach with one ear i directly in the pillow. I don't know if that makes any difference?

I've been feeling really the last few days with some unusual moments of minor anxiety, so the sub defiantly does something. Just want to make the most out of it, and sleeping with in-ear headphones is no problem for me.

It doesn't matter if you're a side/stomach sleeper - even if one ear is muffled by the pillow, you're getting sufficient exposure.  It's how Shannon listens, I listen, and I'm sure many others listen.

[fab10]

Thanks for the answer. 

One of the reasons I'm asking is that a lot of people have reported crazy dreams on OF and now on LTU 6. 

I haven't experienced anything unusual in my dreams (or otherwise), so should I take it as a sign that my current setup isn't strong enough? 

I'm playing hybrid through my Iphone on a table around a meter from my head on around 12/15 volume.

You can't judge your results based on someone else's.  If you have calibrated as I suggested, then simply allow the program time to do it's thing.  Not remembering dreams simply means you're having the dream cycle not line up with when you wake up in such a way that you remember the dreams.  It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 Got it. My only concern is that I sleep op the side/stomach with one ear i directly in the pillow. I don't know if that makes any difference?

I've been feeling really the last few days with some unusual moments of minor anxiety, so the sub defiantly does something. Just want to make the most out of it, and sleeping with in-ear headphones is no problem for me.

I’m also a side sleeper. What I will be doing as soon as Amazon delivers the package is connect a set of decent computer speakers to the phone and place the speakers on either side of my pillow. It’s cheap, easy, and Shannon said it gives near perfect stereo exposure even if you sleep on your side (he specifically said speakers facing other on either side of the pillow.)

[KingDavid93]

Hi @Shannon

I have been noticing increasingly interesting and sometimes very violent dreams over the past week

The most noteworthy I think might be where I was shot in the stomach and then I died for a bit following which I was resuscitated and effectively brought back to life upon which I proceeded to watch as they pulled the bullet out of me and patch me up

Very interesting stuff- and this was on OF