Subliminal Talk

Day 63

Currently listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slox9-f-nSA

It's been a long time since I last updated. A lot happened in the past 20 or so days. I finished my 15 day run of A and am now on a 15 day run of B, currently on day 8. I have 7 more days of this run before I go back to A.

At the end of this run, I'll have completed 70 days of DMSI. This is the longest I have been on any version of DMSI, and as it doesn't seem like 3.2 is coming out any time in the near future, I'm going to trade off between version A and B on a 5 day rotation after this run.

Some observations from my last run of A. After the first 7 or so days, Version A really hit me hard. It brought up a lot of memories, I had fairly intense headaches for a few days straight, and I felt miserable. I also started eating more in one meal than I normally would over a single day.

It took me to the brink of my own psyche and forced me to look hard at certain parts of myself, and in other cases, it completely eradicated parts of me. It wasn't a pleasant experience. It was the most devastating time I've had on any version of DMSI. The irony of it all was that, despite how much inner turmoil I was dealing with, I was able to disconnect my emotional space with my public presence. No one would have known any better based on my external behavior. I never lost a step with work.

Towards the end of my 15 day run, I just took it all for what it was and let myself feel everything. In the end, while I absolutely hated that time, I'm more evolved because of it.

I started back on B last Friday morning. And the light switch went off in a different way. And I realized what A had done to me, and what B was doing to me. I'll get into the philosophical portions of DMSI towards the end of my post. I need to explain the tangibles that occurred first to segue into that discussion.

After doing B Friday morning, I was due out that night. I met up with a couple of my boys and as the night progressed, so did my lunacy. At one point in the night, a guy had to drag his girlfriend out of the bar because she and I were coming onto each other so strongly.

I had a single focus that night.

Towards the end of my night, we had two women that grouped up with us at a rooftop bar. I told one of the women that she was going to f*ck my boy D that night. And she said sure. In the end, she was ready to go home with him, and he backed off and said he was tired. She then wanted to come home with me, but I took the other woman instead.

I brought her home, and then hopped on this forum, ranted on Dr. Strangelove's journal about art, logged off the forum, and then f*cked her brains out.

Yes, I did make her wait while I responded to a post that Ben had written about art. I felt that took precedence.

In the morning she tried to connect with me, and I told her in a very blunt way that it was just sex. We don't need to make anything more of it than that. I could tell she was hurt, but, I wasn't interested in getting to know her and I didn't want to give her false hope.

The rest of that weekend I ended up being a recluse and lived in my own head. I started to think about the simplicity of what happened the night before. I particularly thought about the woman at the bar who was dragged out by her boyfriend. He was taller than me and better built than me. His girlfriend was a gorgeous blonde.

The part that really stuck out at me was the guy didn't say a damn thing to me. Nor did I really register his presence when I was interacting with her. I was interested only in her. It was a purely primal instinct driving me. He could have stepped to me, he could have started some shit with me. But he didn't. He literally dragged her out of the f*cking bar.

I mention this because of something else that happened to me earlier this week.

Over the past few weeks I had been helping an acquaintance of mine out by advising her on some business ideas. I was a sounding board for her. She is getting ready to start some new venture. She's also getting married in two weeks.

I had a few meetings with her and then this past week, mid-week, we had one more call where I gave her the last bits that I thought she needed to look at. She was grateful for the help and wanted to take me out to dinner to repay me for my assistance.

We met for dinner that evening and talked, had a glass of wine. Nothing out of the ordinary. When we were done with dinner and were about to go our separate ways, she asked me if I would be down for one more drink. She said she had a lot on her mind and wanted to decompress. I suggested that we pick up a six pack and head to my place, as I wasn't in the mood to hit another bar. She agreed and we picked up some beer and went back to my apartment. Before we were done with our first beer we had started getting physical. We had sex a few times that night. A really raw kind of sex. In the early morning she left.

Last night I saw K and we had sex again. I left her place this morning and came home and slept most of the day.

Now, onto my philosophical musings about DMSI.

I talked to K about the two women I slept with over the past week. K and I have known each other for so long, I don't feel the need to ever pretend with her.

I particularly told her about the woman whose wedding was coming up. Even though I knew she was going to be married, I didn't feel any guilt over the fact that we had sex. I don't think what we did took anything away from how much she loves her fiance. At the end of the day, what happened between us, it was just an itch that needed to be scratched. There was nothing emotional involved in what we did.

K asked me whether I would have felt that way before, or whether I would feel betrayed. This was what led me down a mental rabbit hole, and it's a question that I would pose to every DMSI user on this forum.

Are love and sex mutually exclusive?

For me, they aren't. I have over the past month, increasingly separated church and state. Church being my work, friends, the areas where I need to use my higher evolved intellect.

When it comes to women however, that has become more of a primal state for me. It has nothing to do with emotion, love, friendship, or connecting. It's just a purely primitive, physical activity. Just like eating.

I have become better at discerning which women I can connect with at that level also. I know when a woman is ready to just f*ck. It's in their eyes. There's nothing more involved than that. And it's not necessarily that I see these women as cheap, easy targets. I think it's that I don't judge them. Because I also don't judge myself either.

I'm not really able to adequately express what it is that I am feeling, and it's almost impossible to convey something accurately after we've been told to adapt to a certain norm to function in society.

The only way I can explain it is, sometimes, I just feel like an animal. I operate on those base instincts. There is no intellectual understanding involved.

And I think that's what maximum sexually irresistibility is. It's existing on the idea of raw sexual energy. There is no judgement, no correlating, no deeper understanding other than the act of a need that is fulfilled. And once it's fulfilled, you move on.

This thought process is in distinct contrast to my other thought processes, those that require me to function in my higher day-to-day activities. And again, that separation is extremely clear. One doesn't necessarily cross over to the other.

This ideology is most apparent when I'm with K. When we're hanging out, we're hanging out as friends. We laugh, joke, tease each other. When we have sex, it's no holds barred, primal, mentally disconnected.

I don't know what the continued use of DMSI is going to do for me. How much more it's going to change me.

I am catching up on some of the other users journals and I know a lot of people still aren't executing the goals. And I think I understand more and more why. I'm not sure how to describe the conflict, but, it's more of an intellectual battle against your base primal desires. Your programming that dictates how you function as part of society and that of your reptilian brain.

The idea of societies programming has never been so obvious to me until recently.

We are our own best friends, we are our own worst enemies.

I'll close out this post with one last thought regarding the execution of DMSI's script.

Let go...

I very much enjoyed reading your last post Duke, especially your views regarding sex.

I'd like to make a request. If you are in the mood and/or up for it, I'd like to hear your views regarding love.

Some of the random thoughts/questions that went through my mind after reading your post were:

-what's your definition of love right now in this moment ?
-has your idea of it changed over time?
-now that you view women as you do, do you think you could love them (I know how silly this question sounds, but I think you get where I coming from)?
-you have a great relationship with K, to what degree does your definition apply to her?
-what are your views on love as it relates to marriage (a societal norm)?
-do you want one woman in your life that you can love and that loves you?
-how important is trust in your long term relationships, if you indeed want one?

Those are just a few questions that arose in my mind. I have a lot more incubating, but I think you get the general idea.

I'd be interested in hearing any and all thoughts and opinions that you have on the subject.

EDIT:
If I could distill my questions down, I think want I really want to know is your perspective on love, as it applies to societal construct and whether or not, or to what degree, it is used as a tool of control.

As you become more surgically intimate with your reptilian brain, do you feel a distance between your prior (programmed?) belief, or understanding of love, and your current belief, if there is indeed a difference?

We all think we know what love is, but do we really? Maybe, at the level we are at, it's just a notion we cling to, to feel safe and secure.

I don't know....

(05-06-2017, 09:59 PM)WIP68 Wrote: [ -> ]I very much enjoyed reading your last post Duke, especially your views regarding sex.

I'd like to make a request. If you are in the mood and/or up for it, I'd like to hear your views regarding love.

Some of the random thoughts/questions that went through my mind after reading your post were:

-what's your definition of love right now in this moment ?
-has your idea of it changed over time?
-now that you view women as you do, do you think you could love them (I know how silly this question sounds, but I think you get where I coming from)?
-you have a great relationship with K, to what degree does your definition apply to her?
-what are your views on love as it relates to marriage (a societal norm)?
-do you want one woman in your life that you can love and that loves you?
-how important is trust in your long term relationships, if you indeed want one?

Those are just a few questions that arose in my mind. I have a lot more incubating, but I think you get the general idea.

I'd be interested in hearing any and all thoughts and opinions that you have on the subject.

EDIT:
If I could distill my questions down, I think want I really want to know is your perspective on love, as it applies to societal construct and whether or not, or to what degree, it is used as a tool of control.

As you become more surgically intimate with your reptilian brain, do you feel a distance between your prior (programmed?) belief, or understanding of love, and your current belief, if there is indeed a difference?

We all think we know what love is, but do we really? Maybe, at the level we are at, it's just a notion we cling to, to feel safe and secure.

I don't know....

So, I had a lot of time today to think about this question, and I went back some over my years and experiences with women to come to wherever I am today. I also had some realizations about DMSI in and of itself.

Let's start with how do I view love.

So, this might go against what is being preached out in the world now about masculinity and how feminism has eroded society. I think the idea of love has become a hallmark greeting card, but, even with that being the case, I think it's an incredibly important experience to have.

When I started my first version of DMSI, which was 2.3, I introduced myself to this forum and talked about some of my background. One of the things I said was, I have already had some amazing relationships, and was now ready to try out other aspects of life (I'm paraphrasing).

And that was the truth. I have had some incredible experiences in the relationship department. Whatever the reasons were for it not working out between me and them, I have nothing but fond memories of most of the women I dated. I was very, very fortunate for having the relationships I had.

It's also because I have had those experiences, had those feelings of intimacy, that I signed up for DMSI. I didn't know what I would be getting myself into with DMSI when I first started; I did it because it was an experimental sub and I fancy myself a good lab rat.

As I continued with using DMSI, the one thing I always stated in my journals, and this is true for how I approached the sub itself, was I just did a set it and forget it. I never looked for external validation from women. That's why I rarely post about an IOI that I received from a woman. It was only when I would have an exacting connection did I write about the experiences. Hence, most of my journals before 3.1 were mostly focused on my internal feelings and changes.

Now, with 3.1, all of those changes have come to a head and I'm executing in a merciless way.

But, let me take a step back and refer to my post from yesterday. When I read that post from a purely intellectual standpoint, I honestly think "what an asshole." I slept with three different women over the course of a week, one of whom is going to be married in 2 weeks, another who I met at a rooftop bar on Friday night, and finally, one whom I've known for over 20 years.

It's especially easy to judge the woman whose going to be married in 2 weeks, and use that as a poster board for labeling why women can't be trusted and love is a farce.

But, the truth of the matter is, who you love and who you f*ck, aren't the same - sometimes they can be, but, more often they aren't.

What I've come to realize in my current state is that the deeper DMSI takes me into that reptilian portion of my brain, the more the norms of society make less sense to me. This is bad for two reasons.

One, I might be clinically insane.
Two, I am effectively going against the very things that most societies hold in value.

But, that's an overly dramatized statement. The reality is, I'm cutting through the shit to feed a physical need of mine. Ultimately, that's all there is to it.

How does this affect my future relationships and views on love? Do I believe love still exists?

You asked me particularly about K and how I see that relationship.

I've known K for almost 20 years. She's seen me at my best, she's seen me at my worst. I absolutely love K. But, I don't love her in a romantic, chivalrous, kind of way. If that makes sense.

I love her, like I love all of my really close friends, which I only have a very few of.

Hence, why I said that when we have sex, it's just a physical thing for the both of us. This could be because both she and I are at an age where things like that are possible. I'm in my 40's now, and so is K. K is also unique in many ways because she's Korean, grew up in Korea and came here to study much later in her life.

Unlike most Korean women, she never got married. Her family gave up on her and let her be at some point. She's financially and professionally successful, she's had plenty of boyfriends in the past, but she likes the idea of being free.

So, for both her and I, this works. We both know that anything can change at any moment, so we enjoy what we have for now.

This is part of the reason why I said in my earlier post that I don't judge myself and I don't judge the other person.

Honestly, when you take away all of the labels, like being an alpha or a feminist, and all that other shit, you're left with just a person. Strip away all of the intellectual beliefs, reasoning, order, and you have the most basic needs and desires. Everyone has them.

I find that the more I function in that mindset, the easier it becomes and things just happen.

All of that being said, let me make a controversial statement now and say that I don't think just anyone should run DMSI.

If the end goal of DMSI is that we reach the pivotal point of going down to our base needs and it just becomes sex; while on some level it's amazing to think that you can have plenty of sex with extremely attractive women, pretty soon you'd have to ask yourself if this is all there is.

A lot of the younger guys on this forum like Eternity and Aventus, have already moved on from DMSI. And, I honestly think that was better for them.

It's one thing to come to a sub like this after you've experienced a real relationship and grown with someone. It's another thing if this is what you walk into in your life at an early age. Because, I think it will skew how you live the rest of your life. And, I think you'd potentially be denying yourself the possibility of something beautiful happening in the future.

RT's a great example of this. Despite the fact that he's using DMSI, the man clearly loves his family and his wife. I consider him one of the foundational posters on this forum for that reason. His posts help keep me grounded.

Dr. Strangelove is another one. He also loves his family, and he made a choice long ago to play life on his own terms, but at the end of the day, he goes home to his wife and children.

I respect that. In Strangelove's case, he has the best of both worlds.

Ben also wrote several posts about how he prefers the women he's intimate with to also be the same women that he can connect with at an emotional level.

Honestly, these are the guys whose posts I often look at and use to measure my own current mental state.

At the end of the day, DMSI will not bring you love. Yes, there is healing in this sub, but the end goal of DMSI is not love, it's sex. Which means, no matter how much you heal, you're healing to get to a point where you have lots of sex. DMSI will flood your life with more pussy than you know what to do with, but, that's a fleeting momentary thing.

This isn't to say that I don't want guys like Travis or you to execute the goals. I hope you do and I hope you get laid a lot. There's something to be said about being young and having a ton of beautiful women quivering at the tip of your finger.

I just think that if you're asking about love, you should absolutely give yourself a chance to experience it, if you haven't already. It should be a healthy love, not an obsessive one. Relationships can be an amazingly transformational experience.

I'm not sure if I answered your question, but, that's how I feel about it.

Now, it's your turn, what do you think about love?

EDIT: I actually don't know how young or old you are, so I shouldn't make an assumption either way. But, in the end, I hope I answered your question some. Looking back at it, I don't feel like I did. However, I would like to read your thoughts.

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]So, this might go against what is being preached out in the world now about masculinity and how feminism has eroded society. I think the idea of love has become a hallmark greeting card, but, even with that being the case, I think it's an incredibly important experience to have.

But, let me take a step back and refer to my post from yesterday. When I read that post from a purely intellectual standpoint, I honestly think "what an asshole." I slept with three different women over the course of a week, one of whom is going to be married in 2 weeks, another who I met at a rooftop bar on Friday night, and finally, one whom I've known for over 20 years.

What I've come to realize in my current state is that the deeper DMSI takes me into that reptilian portion of my brain, the more the norms of society make less sense to me. This is bad for two reasons.

One, I might be clinically insane.
Two, I am effectively going against the very things that most societies hold in value.

But, that's an overly dramatized statement. The reality is, I'm cutting through the shit to feed a physical need of mine. Ultimately, that's all there is to it.

I completely agree with you on the view of how love is seen by society today.

Right now we're punishing people who steal materialistic things from our homes. But we don't punish people who steal our partners, which are supposed to be the most precious thing in our life. And it's supposed to be there "until death do us part". I am honestly sad on how the whole thing is viewed upon now, or I'm simply naive thinking it can be that way.

Now don't take it as I'm talking negatively towards you, I'm just expressing my thoughts on how the society views it all.

Would you say that DMSI really goes more into the reptilian part of the brain or just simply allows you to express "yourself" more? Where you refuse to take in the beliefs that society has talked you into? I wouldn't worry about becoming insane.

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]It's one thing to come to a sub like this after you've experienced a real relationship and grown with someone. It's another thing if this is what you walk into in your life at an early age. Because, I think it will skew how you live the rest of your life. And, I think you'd potentially be denying yourself the possibility of something beautiful happening in the future.

At the end of the day, DMSI will not bring you love. Yes, there is healing in this sub, but the end goal of DMSI is not love, it's sex. Which means, no matter how much you heal, you're healing to get to a point where you have lots of sex. DMSI will flood your life with more pussy than you know what to do with, but, that's a fleeting momentary thing.

This isn't to say that I don't want guys like Travis or you to execute the goals. I hope you do and I hope you get laid a lot. There's something to be said about being young and having a ton of beautiful women quivering at the tip of your finger.

I just think that if you're asking about love, you should absolutely give yourself a chance to experience it, if you haven't already. It should be a healthy love, not an obsessive one. But, relationships can be an amazingly transformational experience.

I appreciate you sharing these thoughts. Being one of the younger (if not the youngest) members here. It's nice to get some second thoughts on things. Probably healthy for us to get this perspective as well. I will take some time to reconsider running DMSI.

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]So, I had a lot of time today to think about this question, and I went back some over my years and experiences with women to come to wherever I am today. I also had some realizations about DMSI in and of itself.

Let's start with how do I view love.

So, this might go against what is being preached out in the world now about masculinity and how feminism has eroded society. I think the idea of love has become a hallmark greeting card, but, even with that being the case, I think it's an incredibly important experience to have.

But, let me take a step back and refer to my post from yesterday. When I read that post from a purely intellectual standpoint, I honestly think "what an asshole." I slept with three different women over the course of a week, one of whom is going to be married in 2 weeks, another who I met at a rooftop bar on Friday night, and finally, one whom I've known for over 20 years.

It's especially easy to judge the woman whose going to be married in 2 weeks, and use that as a poster board for labeling why women can't be trusted and love is a farce.

But, the truth of the matter is, who you love and who you f*ck, aren't the same - sometimes they can be, but, more often they aren't.

What I've come to realize in my current state is that the deeper DMSI takes me into that reptilian portion of my brain, the more the norms of society make less sense to me. This is bad for two reasons.

One, I might be clinically insane.
Two, I am effectively going against the very things that most societies hold in value.

How does this affect my future relationships and views on love? Do I believe love still exists?

All of that being said, let me make a controversial statement now and say that I don't think just anyone should run DMSI.

If the end goal of DMSI is that we reach the pivotal point of going down to our base needs and it just becomes sex; while on some level it's amazing to think that you can have plenty of sex with extremely attractive women, pretty soon you'd have to ask yourself if this is all there is.

A lot of the younger guys on this forum like Eternity and Aventus, have already moved on from DMSI. And, I honestly think that was better for them.

Just wanted to chime in on a few things here, I quoted the parts I wanted to comment on.

Eternity and Aventus will both be going back to DMSI eventually.

As for the topic of love - I don't see a reason not to love every woman you sleep with, if that makes sense. I've been with my current girlfriend for what, 3 or 4 years now? And I never stopped myself from liking or loving another girl.

Nor do I bar her from doing the same thing.

Completely open and polyamorous.

Nothing is stopping people from loving and fucking 10 women at the same time.

For me personally, I love the conquest of a woman. The physical act is nice too, but the experience itself is more enthralling. But, there is also an energetic part about sex. Depending on your state, whether you allow yourself to open up and love the woman in that moment of sex, everything changes.

Think about masturbation and sex. They are both sexual in nature - but one is a one-way energetic exchange, while the other one is a two-way. This is one of the reasons why sex feels so much better, and 10 times better with a person you love.

As for the reptilian and value thing. I don't think you should be worried about societal norms so much. With the sexual aura, you'll only gain much more respect, and as for the norms, who gave a crap about them anyway?

Just the fact we are all running weird-ass tracks of ocean and river sounds supposedly imbued with affirmations makes us "out of the norm".

Anyway, i'd say the message behind my post is this - is there a real reason that we limit ourselves to only 1 partner that we can love, and treat any "one night stands" as completely physical, without any love?

P.S I also believe there is a difference in love, as in, how long we have loved a person, but that doesn't change a fact we can love someone anytime. It's such a shareable feeling, ye?

P.P.S Eternity is a grandpa, I'd say the youngest ones here are Aventus and me Don't know Reezox's age though

Quote:Right now we're punishing people who steal materialistic things from our homes. But we don't punish people who steal our partners, which are supposed to be the most precious thing in our life. And it's supposed to be there "until death do us part". I am honestly sad on how the whole thing is viewed upon now, or I'm simply naive thinking it can be that way.

That doesn't make sense.

Objects in your home are just objects so they have no choice in the matter and the 'partners' play a role in it to, they aren't just sitting there and someone comes in and takes them 'against their will' so to speak.

(05-07-2017, 03:42 PM)ReeZoX Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]So, this might go against what is being preached out in the world now about masculinity and how feminism has eroded society. I think the idea of love has become a hallmark greeting card, but, even with that being the case, I think it's an incredibly important experience to have.

But, let me take a step back and refer to my post from yesterday. When I read that post from a purely intellectual standpoint, I honestly think "what an asshole." I slept with three different women over the course of a week, one of whom is going to be married in 2 weeks, another who I met at a rooftop bar on Friday night, and finally, one whom I've known for over 20 years.

What I've come to realize in my current state is that the deeper DMSI takes me into that reptilian portion of my brain, the more the norms of society make less sense to me. This is bad for two reasons.

One, I might be clinically insane.
Two, I am effectively going against the very things that most societies hold in value.

But, that's an overly dramatized statement. The reality is, I'm cutting through the shit to feed a physical need of mine. Ultimately, that's all there is to it.

I completely agree with you on the view of how love is seen by society today.

Right now we're punishing people who steal materialistic things from our homes. But we don't punish people who steal our partners, which are supposed to be the most precious thing in our life. And it's supposed to be there "until death do us part". I am honestly sad on how the whole thing is viewed upon now, or I'm simply naive thinking it can be that way.

Now don't take it as I'm talking negatively towards you, I'm just expressing my thoughts on how the society views it all.

Would you say that DMSI really goes more into the reptilian part of the brain or just simply allows you to express "yourself" more? Where you refuse to take in the beliefs that society has talked you into? I wouldn't worry about becoming insane.

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]It's one thing to come to a sub like this after you've experienced a real relationship and grown with someone. It's another thing if this is what you walk into in your life at an early age. Because, I think it will skew how you live the rest of your life. And, I think you'd potentially be denying yourself the possibility of something beautiful happening in the future.

At the end of the day, DMSI will not bring you love. Yes, there is healing in this sub, but the end goal of DMSI is not love, it's sex. Which means, no matter how much you heal, you're healing to get to a point where you have lots of sex. DMSI will flood your life with more pussy than you know what to do with, but, that's a fleeting momentary thing.

This isn't to say that I don't want guys like Travis or you to execute the goals. I hope you do and I hope you get laid a lot. There's something to be said about being young and having a ton of beautiful women quivering at the tip of your finger.

I just think that if you're asking about love, you should absolutely give yourself a chance to experience it, if you haven't already. It should be a healthy love, not an obsessive one. But, relationships can be an amazingly transformational experience.

I appreciate you sharing these thoughts. Being one of the younger (if not the youngest) members here. It's nice to get some second thoughts on things. Probably healthy for us to get this perspective as well. I will take some time to reconsider running DMSI.

I was actually being facetious regarding the insanity comment - hence I followed up with the fact that I was over dramatizing the effects.

Regarding having our partners stolen, I think that's one of the things where life sort of goes askew a bit. And this is exactly why I say that who you love and who you f*ck aren't typically the same person.

We can't own another human being, barring human slavery, which is a reality in various parts of the world.

That being said, not every relationship will fall apart for something better or shinier. I have friends who have amazing marriages, and I am honestly envious of what they share with their partners.

And then there are things that do happen, where people will veer left, not because they love the other person, but because they need something physically fulfilled. The human condition is incredibly complex. When it comes to the reasons that drive people to do certain things, I will never claim that I know all of the factors.

But, I think one of the things that happens as you get older is you begin to realize that shit happens. That's part of the reason why I no longer judge anyone. Because I don't think anything is that black and white. But, in some cases it may just be.

I'm also not trying to eat into the financial profits of the Maestro by saying that younger folks shouldn't have access to DMSI.

It's more of, I think if you get exposed to something too early, and you don't have the emotional maturity to deal with your own personal fallout from it, it will eventually affect you negatively in the future.

My two cents.

(05-07-2017, 05:54 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also not trying to eat into the financial profits of the Maestro by saying that younger folks shouldn't have access to DMSI.

It's more of, I think if you get exposed to something too early, and you don't have the emotional maturity to deal with your own personal fallout from it, it will eventually affect you negatively in the future.

My two cents.

For reference, this is almost certainly the exact reason Shannon says AM is a prerequisite for both WM and SM.

I wanted to share a post on love here as well, if I may. It's a little all-over-the-place, but I hope it makes some sense by the end of it.

Here's a link to it, just in case you'd like to delete your journal someday, I can keep a copy.

(05-07-2017, 03:58 PM)Nemanja Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-07-2017, 03:07 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]So, I had a lot of time today to think about this question, and I went back some over my years and experiences with women to come to wherever I am today. I also had some realizations about DMSI in and of itself.

Let's start with how do I view love.

So, this might go against what is being preached out in the world now about masculinity and how feminism has eroded society. I think the idea of love has become a hallmark greeting card, but, even with that being the case, I think it's an incredibly important experience to have.

But, let me take a step back and refer to my post from yesterday. When I read that post from a purely intellectual standpoint, I honestly think "what an asshole." I slept with three different women over the course of a week, one of whom is going to be married in 2 weeks, another who I met at a rooftop bar on Friday night, and finally, one whom I've known for over 20 years.

It's especially easy to judge the woman whose going to be married in 2 weeks, and use that as a poster board for labeling why women can't be trusted and love is a farce.

But, the truth of the matter is, who you love and who you f*ck, aren't the same - sometimes they can be, but, more often they aren't.

What I've come to realize in my current state is that the deeper DMSI takes me into that reptilian portion of my brain, the more the norms of society make less sense to me. This is bad for two reasons.

One, I might be clinically insane.
Two, I am effectively going against the very things that most societies hold in value.

How does this affect my future relationships and views on love? Do I believe love still exists?

All of that being said, let me make a controversial statement now and say that I don't think just anyone should run DMSI.

If the end goal of DMSI is that we reach the pivotal point of going down to our base needs and it just becomes sex; while on some level it's amazing to think that you can have plenty of sex with extremely attractive women, pretty soon you'd have to ask yourself if this is all there is.

A lot of the younger guys on this forum like Eternity and Aventus, have already moved on from DMSI. And, I honestly think that was better for them.

Just wanted to chime in on a few things here, I quoted the parts I wanted to comment on.

Eternity and Aventus will both be going back to DMSI eventually.

As for the topic of love - I don't see a reason not to love every woman you sleep with, if that makes sense. I've been with my current girlfriend for what, 3 or 4 years now? And I never stopped myself from liking or loving another girl.

Nor do I bar her from doing the same thing.

Completely open and polyamorous.

Nothing is stopping people from loving and ***** 10 women at the same time.

For me personally, I love the conquest of a woman. The physical act is nice too, but the experience itself is more enthralling. But, there is also an energetic part about sex. Depending on your state, whether you allow yourself to open up and love the woman in that moment of sex, everything changes.

Think about masturbation and sex. They are both sexual in nature - but one is a one-way energetic exchange, while the other one is a two-way. This is one of the reasons why sex feels so much better, and 10 times better with a person you love.

As for the reptilian and value thing. I don't think you should be worried about societal norms so much. With the sexual aura, you'll only gain much more respect, and as for the norms, who gave a crap about them anyway?

Just the fact we are all running weird-ass tracks of ocean and river sounds supposedly imbued with affirmations makes us "out of the norm".

Anyway, i'd say the message behind my post is this - is there a real reason that we limit ourselves to only 1 partner that we can love, and treat any "one night stands" as completely physical, without any love?

P.S I also believe there is a difference in love, as in, how long we have loved a person, but that doesn't change a fact we can love someone anytime. It's such a shareable feeling, ye?

P.P.S Eternity is a grandpa, I'd say the youngest ones here are Aventus and me Don't know Reezox's age though

If Eternity is a Grandpa, I'm a f*cking mummy...

I think you and I are talking about two different things, from two different perspectives.

When I was in my early 20's, I fell in love on a daily basis. And I can't speak for you, but, as I got older and grew into who I am, I learned at least for myself what love is. It's a different thing for different people.

As for the conquest; conquests in the end ultimately serve as a form of self validation. It's the idea of being able to conquer someone, which is driven by a challenge. The reality of what happens with DMSI is a little different.

But, we're also talking from two different age perspectives here. As a 40 something, now running DMSI, my perspectives on what I am experiencing with women is, as I stated in my previous posts, just a physical act.

There is the energy exchange that happens, but energy is exchanged in most interactions between two human beings. We either connect, or repel each other. It's not to say that the sex wasn't incredible, it was. It was raw, powerful, uninhibited. But in the end, it's just sex.

The more it becomes about the physical act, the more desensitized you become to the emotional factors. It's acting on your most primal instincts. It goes back to a basic survival action in some way.

I didn't connect in any way to these women on an emotional level. It was purely physical. Even when I have sex with K, it's purely physical.

And that's the difference between having sex and making love to someone. Hence, why I say that who you f*ck isn't necessarily who you love.

There's a distinction between the two. At some point, I feel when you reach full execution of the goals of DMSI, it's about sex, not love.

Perhaps it will be different for you. However, let me pose this question to you.

if you knew that you could sleep with any woman at will, more importantly that women are throwing themselves to you, how long is it before a woman then becomes a disposable object.

Ultimately, DMSI at its full capacity, promises you just that.

And I think if that's where you end up too early, that will really f*ck you up significantly, from an emotional maturity standpoint.

This is the reason why I think it is important to have love, or experience a meaningful relationship. Because, at some point, the effects of DMSI may skew you to the point where the simplicity of love isn't something that is valued any longer.

(05-07-2017, 06:35 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted to share a post on love here as well, if I may. It's a little all-over-the-place, but I hope it makes some sense by the end of it.

Here's a link to it, just in case you'd like to delete your journal someday, I can keep a copy.

Brother, please share away. I'll keep this journal running just for that post!

Quote:That doesn't make sense.

Objects in your home are just objects so they have no choice in the matter and the 'partners' play a role in it to, they aren't just sitting there and someone comes in and takes them 'against their will' so to speak.

Yes, of course, it's not against their will.
But it doesn't make it any more "noble" to hit on someone even if it's something they want. I mean you can get over materialistic things, they are just objects after all. But to that person, you have made a commitment, a vow to stay together "until death do us part". First of all the partners should respect that, love isn't about everything is perfect. It's about staying together when life is at is toughest and easiest point. But I also think other people, outside this relationship, should respect that. That relationship is supposed to be the most valuable thing one can have. But now we just settle things with getting 50/50 of each other belongings, AND one looses the partner.

We punish people for stealing objects, but we don't punish people who steal our partners (even if they do have a part in it). Now I am not saying we should punish anyone hitting on married people. I'm simply making it clear how little this society actually seem to value marriage/love. When it's just something that can be fixed with writing on some papers. This is what I think is wrong.

You can't steal people unless you're saying people own people as property like a tv. Which is sick.

Lmao like ruining a family's harmony and trust isn't ducked up. Cmon... u too sub privileged