Subliminal Talk

(04-06-2017, 04:58 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2017, 01:34 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]B will drive you to a goal in the fastest way possible, and morph the world around you to model itself around executing that initial goal. That means different things to different people. Has B helped me in my professional life and outside of it, I would say 3.1 as a whole has.

I exercise three times a week since starting 3.1, my approach to things has completely changed and I am driven to have what I want.

For me, Money and Women are the same. I'll explain what I mean.

For many men, money, like women, is elusive and often times there are several emotional associations regarding the lack of it and deservedness of having it.

When you can conquer one, I think the same emotional and mental alignments work for the other. Money is just another mistress waiting to be conquered and then ravished.

I have had almost the exact opposite results as you. On 3.01, I was feeling really relaxed within myself, confident, and energized. I was going to the gym at least 5 days a week, working on my craft almost every day, and killing it at my high-pressure job without so much as breaking a sweat. I had cut almost all sugar and bad foods out of my diet, and was exceedingly healthy, while manifesting some clear interest from beautiful girls who were well 'out of my league' when executing.

Immediately upon switching to 3.1, I have lost almost all of that. I can't get up in the mornings. I waver from being horribly depressed and hopeless to borderling schizophrenic and unbalanced. I can't force myself to go to the gym, and when I do (less than once a week, now), I can barely muster the will/energy to do any form of real strenous or challenging exercise. I'm floundering/drowning at my job, I've been on the edge, insecure, anxious and confrontational with almost everyone in my life. There have been absolutely no signs of women from A. The only real manifestation I've experienced has been the acquisition of a new, "better" job--but that was still within the 21 days after I quit 3.01.

I also agree that money and women are "the same". On 3.01, I could feel the sub building me into the oscar-winning millionaire screenwriter artistic-godlike playboy that I've always dreamed of becoming. It, for the first time in my life, felt fully within reach.

3.1 has dissolved all of that growth/trust, and instead filled me with nothing but inner turmoil and true, honest doubt that I could ever become half of the man I dream of becoming, to attract both women and just general happiness into my life.

The reason I ask if B is giving you more success is because I personally sense that most people have had instant, noticeable results on B, whereas with me, personally, and also a lot of others, A has brought nothing but sorrow and wreckage. Perhaps, with additional time, this will eventually lead to newfound growth, but since a newer, better version of DMSI will be out within 2-3 months, I'm thinking that a switch to 3.1B, or perhaps going back to 3.01A, is a better course of action for me.

Sorry to derail the thread... but seeing as professional/financial success is intertwined with achieving sexual irresistibility like it is for me, I wanted to get your thoughts to see where I wanted to take mine.

So, I have some time now and I wanted to give you a detailed answer to your question.

Let me start with my run on 3.0.1. All together, I ran that version for a total of 42 days. 26 days of A, and 16 days of B. It was a rough run for me, both physically and mentally. Interestingly enough, post that run, a lot of amazing things happened for me. In terms of work and even women. My relationships sort of changed a lot.

I then had something like more than 40 days off between version 3.0.1 and 3.1. That also made a difference because I didn't have the turbulence to deal with switching directly from one version of the sub to another.

When I started 3.1, I did 20 days on the A side before moving over to B. By the 11th day of A, I had executed the goals of the sub. It was pretty amazing how quickly it happened for me. I've been on B now for 15 days. B has changed me extensively. The most noticeable change for myself is how disconnected I am emotionally from how I used to be (something I actually really enjoy), and also I am much more driven and aggressive. Not only about women, but life as well. I don't want to waste my time where I don't need to.

That being said, the first 5 days within switching to B, I was exhausted. A lot. Well, let me be accurate, I was exhausted in the morning when I would wake up. I didn't have that same morning pep I had with A. Mind you, I listen to my loops in the morning, not at night. I like to be conscious during my loops.

But, after 5 days that went away.

B is a hard animal to put your finger on. I looked at some of my earlier posts and then I looked at my posts from today and I see the stark differences of my mental state. It's like two different people emerged.

For me though, that transition was rather painless. Scary, now that I consider the vast depth of changes. But, smooth nonetheless.

However, A was seemless for me.

If A is causing you so much pain and misery, I would steer clear of B. Because B will do things to you. I mean, it will change you. I don't even recognize the person from 2 weeks ago anymore to be honest.

You mentioned that you went from 3.0.1 to 3.1. Did you take a 21 day break between the subs, or did you just jump? If you did a straight jump, that would explain why you're wound up so tight. And if that is the case, I would actually suggest you take a few weeks off, maybe 2, and then start 3.1 A again.

If you did take the 21 day break, I wouldn't jump back on 3.0.1 just yet, especially after you've been running 3.1 for as long as you have. It will just cause your more turmoil. I would wait 21 days in that case and maybe move back.

As my posts have sort of stated, and as I'm sure the Maestro knows, i haven't exactly been the model tester in terms of following the instructions with DMSI. I mean I even jumped 12 days early onto B. But, so far it's worked for me. It's brought a lot of my authentic self forward.

I even stopped using colognes about 10 days ago because I felt like I was hiding behind a facade of fragrances. Like I said, B changed me a lot. And I like who came out. It's more aligned to who I really am. Not who I am expected to be in terms of civil acceptance.

I hope I was able to help some. Unfortunately I can't really give you a definitive answer as to what I think you should do. The only thing I can say is take some time off, and then re-evaluate which version you want to give a shot too. But, if you did go from 3.0.1 to 3.1 without a break, take the break and then definitely revisit 3.1 A. It'll make your overall experience much more positive I think.

Dude... that was immensely helpful. Thank you!

Day 38

Currently listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O45NhRtOMcI

It's actually day 39 for me, but I missed doing my loops on Saturday, so I'm keeping my days on this journal active to the number of days I have done my loops.

I've finished 18 days on B, and I have two more days before I go back to version A. I'm actually really looking forward to doing another run of A. I don't know why, but I think after 20 days of B, the effects of A will be more pronounced for me. At least that's how I've been feeling these past few days.

I went out of town this past weekend, headed down to DC with K. It was a nice five hour drive, and the weather was beautiful. DC is like my home away from home. About a decade ago I used to keep an apartment in DC, because I was always traveling between there and NYC. It was right by Adams Morgan.

It's funny because since I moved out of that place, I never went back. I haven't been to Adams Morgan in 10 years. These days when I go to DC, I always end up staying around Chinatown or close to the Mall.

This past trip I stayed by the Mall. Caught some of the Cherry Blossoms, went to some of the museums, just walked really. Even though I was there with K, I wasn't really there with her. Emotionally, I was in my own head, getting caught up with the town.

I met a friend of mine later that night, and left K back at the hotel.

It was good catching up with my friend. We walked around DC late into the night and talked about where we are in our lives right now. His girlfriend of many years had recently moved to Australia for a project. That was a struggle for him. I knew when he told me that, that was the end of their relationship. I think he knew it too. But I didn't say anything. I didn't feel the need to state the obvious.

I got back to my hotel around 1 that night and K was already asleep. I fell asleep next to her. On Sunday I took K to the spy museum; they had a 50 years of bond villains exhibit. They had the DB 5 from Goldfinger on display also. I love that car...

After the museum we went to Zaytinya for lunch and then hopped back in the car and drove home.

At some point during the weekend I also took a photo of the Cherry Blossoms and sent it to Y.

By the time I came home last night, I realized internally that something had changed, and something more was going to change. The whole thing about women didn't matter anymore.

I left DC feeling like maybe it's time I go back to it. I feel like I need a change of pace from where I am in my life right now. And I feel like that change is...

I also don't think I want to be with any one woman for the long term. It's sort of a contrast from what I said a few weeks ago, but, it's true. I never needed a woman to make me feel content. I'm used to being single. I think that's why I like the casual nature of my relationships with the women I have in my life now.

I'm seeing Y again tomorrow. Just for Ice Cream. I'm trying to do more simple things. Day-to-day things. I was thinking last night about why I started this journey with DMSI. When I first got the sub, it was because it was an experimental technology and I wanted to see how that would work for me.

That was back in late August. It's now April. I've been using a version of DMSI for roughly 8 months, minus the time between versions. So much of who I am has changed in the past few months.

So much has changed just in the past few weeks.

So much more is going to change in the coming weeks. 3.1 will probably be the version of DMSI that I have done the longest. Meaning that there are more changes that will occur before I move on from this version and onto 3.2.

I sometimes wonder who I'll be by the time I finish the 90 day run of DMSI Final.

It's not even that getting laid is important anymore. I can do that anywhere. It's not hard. These days DMSI is driving me to another stage of my evolution, or driving me back to some place else.

Chaos mentioned how much he missed California. I realized how much I missed DC.

I feel like so much more is going to change soon, and I'm waiting for it.

Sometimes I feel like I'm being reborn. All the excess is being stripped away and all that's left are the essentials. Just the core of me.

Everything else is just fading scenery...

Day 46

Currently listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38psI8WIvI

I'm back on A, 6 days today. I'm going to run version A for another 9 days before I hop on B for another 15 day run. Version A this time around has been much more pronounced than the first time I used it.

I had some feelings and realizations this time doing A, that I hadn't experienced before.

One thing that became really pronounced for me is a memory that came to the surface on Day 42, my second day back on A. Blink asked me a few posts ago about whether I had read an author or not, because my attitude with women has become so direct. I realized 4 days ago why I am the way I am now with women.

Something about that realization, had made a profound impact progressively over the past four days.

When I was about 19 years old, I remember I was back in uni and there was this ridiculously attractive girl that I had a thing for. Did I mention she was ridiculously attractive? Yeah, anyway, I never had the nerve to step to her for whatever reason, but one day I found myself helping her with an issue she was having with one of the labs computers. Anyway, when I was done, I asked her if she would meet me at the lab the next day as I had something to ask her. She said sure. So, the next day I went back to the lab and sure enough, she was waiting for me. I finally went over to her and sat down, fumbled with my words, and managed to ask her if she'd have a cup of coffee with me. She looked at me for a second and asked me if that was all I wanted. I said yeah. She paused for a minute or so, and then said that she didn't think it was a good idea as her boyfriend probably wouldn't appreciate it.

It was an excuse, we both knew that, but she let me down gently. Something about that experience though, it made me realize that if I had come off and just asked straight out instead of turning it into some big production - I probably would have gotten her. Chances are I probably would have slept with her.

I think that experience ended up shaping a lot of my interactions with women after that. Not surprising, my sex life actually soared the months and years that followed that rejection. I hadn't thought of it for so long, yet that memory came back to me clear as day last Friday.

Anyway, something else happened two days ago that I found to be interesting also. Again, it relates to something that happened to me when I was really young and it shaped how I lived for the last 30 odd years or so.

I've tried writing out what it was that happened, but it's honestly ridiculous when I state it here, so maybe that's something I'll come back to on another post later on down the line. All I will say is, the healing is really interesting on A. I don't know how the correlation of healing works, but, it's much more emotionally 360 than just getting rid of bad memories of women for me.

I've also had certain experiences over the last two weeks where I'll have a flash of something perfect - like my mind and my body and everything is aligned and I know something so intensely. I have a perfect view of my future and who I am, but that is still fleeting. The feeling has gotten progressively stronger over the past few days however. It will be interesting to see if I can make that feeling a permanent part of my psyche.

As far as women are concerned, I had two different women I know, over the past week tell me outright that they wanted to f*ck me. This next bit is going to sound really obnoxious, but, I'm starting to understand how a hot girl feels. She's constantly being hit on by guys and she knows she can have any one of them she wants, and so she rarely wants any of them. She just entertains herself with their declarations of love.

I have a rotation of five different women right now that I know, who have made advances on me or have told me they have feelings for me, or like I said, straight out told me they wanted to f*ck me. I have women on the streets holding eye contact with me all the time now, brushing up against me. I had one chick follow me, like literally fucking follow me.

That was kind of creepy actually...

And the truth of it is, for most of the last few days, I kind of wanted to just be left alone as I had a shit ton of work to get through. I had one of the two chicks that said she wanted to f*ck me, texting me at 1AM last night asking when I would give her some time and why I don't just give her an answer as to whether I would go for her or not.

I don't take women seriously anymore... at all...

I will say one thing, the less you care about a girl, the more she wants you. I've come to realize that women are validation vampires for the most part. The minute you stop validating them, it's like you staked them through the heart, they turn to ash in your hands. Completely broken.

I'm in a strange place these days. It's an unknown sort of territory, but that's one of the things that I appreciate about where I am, and what DMSI has done for me.

This is also the longest I have been on any version of DMSI - I can only imagine what'll happen over the next few weeks of use...

This is great man. This is exactly why I decided to do B. So that when I get back on A i can hopefully have these realizations.

Just remember the kindness the hot girl showed you. You can definitely pay it back now that you're a walking fantasy object, in whatever way you choose.

Your penis can make the world a better place.

Lol

That's an inspiring story Togo. I've never had that timidness with girls but it's inspiring to know one can come from the place you were at to where you are now.

You've inspired me to hop back on ver A actually.

Hey man you said something about the less you care, the more she wants you! Does this only apply if you all allready with her? Or hd sex with her? In my case when i don't care i just come off as unintrested and nothing every happens. If i dont show intrest or show that i care absolutly nothing happens.

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(04-19-2017, 08:52 PM)Travis Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-18-2017, 05:22 PM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]This is great man. This is exactly why I decided to do B. So that when I get back on A i can hopefully have these realizations.

Could you or Duke elaborate on this more?

Interesting that running B could enhance the effects of A, I had never consider this before!

I am doing this too, I am going to run B to give the healing some bloom/executing mode and after I think a week I will probably go back to A. partly because B felt right to do after 32 days and because of the little break which might help

(04-19-2017, 08:46 PM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]Hey man you said something about the less you care, the more she wants you! Does this only apply if you all allready with her? Or hd sex with her? In my case when i don't care i just come off as unintrested and nothing every happens. If i dont show intrest or show that i care absolutly nothing happens.

I generally have a detached approach to women these days, however, it is an emotional and partially personal detachment. What that means for me during my exchanges equates to the fact that I don't necessarily hold myself back in the event that my interest is purely physical - I make that intention known verbally for the most part or I at least convey it with my eyes.

It's hard to explain, as the situation is different with different women.

The best advice I can give you is, if you know exactly what you want from a woman, most of the time she'll pick up on that and she'll give it to you, if she wants you. And I think most women do.

But women are also culturally different, they have different personalities from different cities, and how you approach them will garner different reactions.

I'm not making a hell of a lot of sense here, so let me give you an example of something that happened to me a long, long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

I lived in Seoul, Korea for two years due to work, I was an expat out there. One day I went out to dinner with a friend of mine who was getting together with a group of his High school friends. They were all in their late 20's at that time, but they still got together on a semi regular basis. There were four guys and two girls in their group.

Anyway, after dinner we hit two other bars, and then one of the guys and one of the girls left. So now there were three guys and one girl from their group and me.

The girl wanted to go dancing, so we went to some local bar club place. She was the only one dancing, none of the other guys would dance with her. I was like, dude, if you guys won't, I will.

Two dances later she grinded on me and then we kissed. The guys wanted to go ahead to the next bar to keep drinking. She and I stayed behind, found a dark, secluded spot, and we had sex.

That was easily one of my favorite sexual experiences. Not cuz the sex was great, I honestly don't remember now if it was, but, it was exciting.

The funny thing is, I later found out as I kept in touch with one other guy from the group, besides my friend that I knew, that all three of those guys were in love with this girl from their days in high school.

I felt kind of shitty afterwards, but not a whole hell of a lot of shitty. Cuz, that shit was fun.

The moral of the story is, the guys were acting uninterested. They didn't dance with her. I wasn't emotionally interested in the girl, but I thought she was hot. I ended up having sex with her, and they lived in their emotional bubble of being in love with her.

It's a balance. You need to know what you want, for you to get it. Just don't mix up your sexual intentions with your emotional ones. Women can smell the difference. I'm actually starting to wonder whether our pheromone signatures are triggered and amplified when we connect with a primal part of our brains that just wants to procreate.

(04-19-2017, 08:52 PM)Travis Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-18-2017, 05:22 PM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]This is great man. This is exactly why I decided to do B. So that when I get back on A i can hopefully have these realizations.

Could you or Duke elaborate on this more?

Interesting that running B could enhance the effects of A, I had never consider this before!

After doing an A run, and then moving over to B, B puts me purely in execution mode. But, in the process of executing, a lot of emotional triggers that normally act as a blockade, come to surface, even if it's not consciously registered. So when switching back to A, those triggers are the first things that consciously become recognized. Because of the barreling effects of B, the healing in A becomes almost philosophical in terms of how you process this information. It's a much more profound understanding.

That's partially why I believe to get the best out of the program, you need to use both sides continuously. Because the program then covers the gamut. No one is ever going to be completely healed. But if all you do is spend all your days trying to heal, at some point or another, you'll go insane from the emotional overload of it. And no one can be in execution mode all the time either. You'll burn out from it. You need a happy balance of both. A and B is that balance.

I haven't found the right length for me yet, regarding number of days before I switch back and forth.

For this run, I'm doing 15 days of A and then 15 days of B. My next run I may bring it down to 10, and keep it at 10 days before I switch out.

Spend some more time on B, and then move back to A, and see what happens for you. I think you'll find it plenty useful.

(04-19-2017, 08:46 PM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]Hey man you said something about the less you care, the more she wants you! Does this only apply if you all allready with her? Or hd sex with her? In my case when i don't care i just come off as unintrested and nothing every happens. If i dont show intrest or show that i care absolutly nothing happens.

This is kinda what IDGAF is about.

IDGAF is not about being neutral and not being affected at all of different things, that's acting like a psychopath. IDGAF is about being okay with whatever outcome you'll get.
Which means you should be okay with showing interest to a girl. What you shouldn't give a fuck about is whatever outcome you'll get.

That is what a girl finds attractive, a man not afraid to show his interest but also not being needy to the point where he needs anything from her. He is ok with whatever answer she gives him.

(04-20-2017, 04:48 AM)ReeZoX Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2017, 08:46 PM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]Hey man you said something about the less you care, the more she wants you! Does this only apply if you all allready with her? Or hd sex with her? In my case when i don't care i just come off as unintrested and nothing every happens. If i dont show intrest or show that i care absolutly nothing happens.

This is kinda what IDGAF is about.

IDGAF is not about being neutral and not being affected at all of different things, that's acting like a psychopath. IDGAF is about being okay with whatever outcome you'll get.
Which means you should be okay with showing interest to a girl. What you shouldn't give a **** about is whatever outcome you'll get.

That is what a girl finds attractive, a man not afraid to show his interest but also not being needy to the point where he needs anything from her. He is ok with whatever answer she gives him.

That is a much more direct and articulate answer than I could have written.

Thank you sir, for posting this.

(04-20-2017, 04:52 AM)Duke.Togo Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-20-2017, 04:48 AM)ReeZoX Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2017, 08:46 PM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]Hey man you said something about the less you care, the more she wants you! Does this only apply if you all allready with her? Or hd sex with her? In my case when i don't care i just come off as unintrested and nothing every happens. If i dont show intrest or show that i care absolutly nothing happens.

This is kinda what IDGAF is about.

IDGAF is not about being neutral and not being affected at all of different things, that's acting like a psychopath. IDGAF is about being okay with whatever outcome you'll get.
Which means you should be okay with showing interest to a girl. What you shouldn't give a **** about is whatever outcome you'll get.

That is what a girl finds attractive, a man not afraid to show his interest but also not being needy to the point where he needs anything from her. He is ok with whatever answer she gives him.

That is a much more direct and articulate answer than I could have written.

Thank you sir, for posting this.

I second that! thanks ReeZoX