Stage 4, Day 33,
Went to school, went to work (new workplace.. very nice), got home, no real desire to go out..
Fuck it, I tried out Tinder, and went nuts for 30 minutes. I'm surprised at how many girls I was interested in. Only got 1 match, I assume they're either out or asleep.
I'm also starting to think, fuck it, maybe I go out in the middle of a real nightclub, dance, and work on feeling sexy there lol. Either that, or I'll click with some girls and the rest will be history.
(10-23-2014, 09:09 PM)DanAmerson Wrote: [ -> ]Stage 4, Day 32,
I'll write up a recap of the previous 4 stages, even though I may listen another day or two.
In the first 3 stages, I was listening on my iPod on the go, listening to ultrasonic at work, listening to ultrasonic and trickling stream on the computer during waking hours, and timing between 2-4 hours each evening. I definitely got between 8-10 hours per day between all these methods.
This stage, I was unable to get onto my iPod, so I started looping it on iTunes all night. This also means that I can track my listening:
Trickling Stream: 382 times/hours
Ultrasonic: 26 times/hours
Total: 408 times/hours
Divide by 32 days of listening = 12.75 hours a day; not bad
To sum up the entire program so far, I won't say that this subliminal has been completely useless. But I'm in many ways the same dopey guy that I was on day 1. I'm two thirds of the way through a huge, promising program called 'Sex Magnet', and I certainly don't feel like one.
I don't exactly go around chasing women, they don't particularly chase me, and if either happens, it appears that they're taken or not all that interested. I don't feel equal passion on their side, and I sure as hell won't do all the work. The one girl who had pursued me turned out to be an idiot and didn't know what she wanted.
I do talk a lot about women, my friends have told me at least once. Some girls also think I'm a player, which puts them on guard and actually has hurt me, since I haven't had the game to burst their bubble.
I also don't care to go out and meet women; I've really gotten in touch with the quiet side of me near the end of this stage. But if I'm out, and there's a situation that's appropriate, I'll do it.
That said, I want to highlight some benefits, since there are many internal shifts. My internal view of sex, women, intimacy and relationships are much more positive, and I'm rather clear on what I want, which would be enjoying women sexually and being sweet to them, a type of bonding similar to being in a relationship without actually being in a relationship (and being clear that it isn't a relationship).
My staying power when I'm solo has been much shorter than desired, sometimes embarrasingly bad. However, the couple of times in Stage 2 that I was sexual, I lasted a very long time and enjoyed a very powerful denouement. I felt seductive in that moment, but in general, I'd feel like my ability to seduce a woman is the same as when I started. My ability to connect with a woman has improved.
Fortunately, I had started to work with sexual presence and garnering love for each woman I'm talking to, which has shown some promise.
Stage 5, according to the instructions, refreshes Stage 3 concepts, and solidifies advanced stuff from Stage 3 and 4. I take stage 6 will deepen the content from Stage 4 and 5. It seems that I would have to rely on women pursuing me if I hadn't figured it out in Stages 1 to 3. I'm a little bit confused about it; maybe I'll have to re-run it, or play Stage 7 after I finish the set.
Or maybe I'll get a huge jolt of motivation and figure it out soon.
Dan, I was going to add this in my next AM update but this
post from Shannon explains what now seems obvious. Perhaps another run through of SM might make all the difference for you. SM is surprisingly disappointing considering all the great auras and such.
(10-25-2014, 02:11 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Dan, I was going to add this in my next AM update but this post from Shannon explains what now seems obvious. Perhaps another run through of SM might make all the difference for you. SM is surprisingly disappointing considering all the great auras and such.
Ricardo, that hardly makes sense; this generation has its culture described as 'hookup culture', and so at least one woman is fine with having casual sex, so long as it's discreet and anonymous, and won't tarnish her reputation (i.e. you don't run your mouth), and you're at least somewhat good at it.
And what if I ran Woman Magnet instead? Would women be throwing themselves at me and wanting to have sex with me, like Sex Magnet would (but clearly doesn't because it's broken
)
I'm gonna figure out my dating and sex life one way or another, so if SM doesn't quite do the trick the first time around, I'll reapply at some point later on.
Dan, you have apparently forgotten a very important truth. The results you get from these programs are the results you allow yourself to have based on how much you cooperate with it.
So if you are not getting the results you want, you have to consider why you are not allowing yourself to cooperate with the program. It is properly made, and we know from experience that it does work. Not every man gets the same results, because not every man cooperates with what it is trying to persuade you to do. You can't say the program is at fault for your lack of results in that case. Instead, you should consider two things:
1. Are you finished yet? If not, it might be wise to finish before passing judgement.
2. Why are you not cooperating? What is holding you back? Is it guilt, shame, fear, embarrassment? I would bet it is. Sex and sexuality is one of the most challenging things to deal with because there is so much guilt shame and fear surrounding it as an issue. How are you going to let yourself be a sex magnet if some part of you fears doing so? And what is more powerful a control mechanism for humans than their sex drive? Control that and you control them completely.
It seems to me that if the program is not producing the results you want, you need to figure out why you're not ready to cooperate and clear those obstacles. But don't pass judgement on the results until you're finished, and remember that the program works, but you have to cooperate with it. That's a big part of why I require people to use it after AM. And when you do pass judgement, consider your own degree of responsibility in the process. It's easy to blame the program, but the program is just a set of instructions. Who is it who decides whether or not to accept and execute them?
Ultimately, the only issue here is figuring out the cause of any blocks, and dissolving them so your subconscious mind will not fight the program.
(10-25-2014, 05:34 AM)DanAmerson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2014, 02:11 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Dan, I was going to add this in my next AM update but this post from Shannon explains what now seems obvious. Perhaps another run through of SM might make all the difference for you. SM is surprisingly disappointing considering all the great auras and such.
Ricardo, that hardly makes sense; this generation has its culture described as 'hookup culture', and so at least one woman is fine with having casual sex, so long as it's discreet and anonymous, and won't tarnish her reputation (i.e. you don't run your mouth), and you're at least somewhat good at it.
And what if I ran Woman Magnet instead? Would women be throwing themselves at me and wanting to have sex with me, like Sex Magnet would (but clearly doesn't because it's broken )
I'm gonna figure out my dating and sex life one way or another, so if SM doesn't quite do the trick the first time around, I'll reapply at some point later on.
Neither program would have women tearing down walls to get at you. Shannon is right in that you have to make the effort or at least be out there. The guilt and shame thing seems one thing that is becoming his Achilles heal because although he puts it in these subs it doesn't seem to be effective (strong enough?), in many cases to allow the resulting magnet programs to work with the person.
However to be fair we should only pass judgement when we've finished the programs in question.
Oh and by the way every generation is into hook-up culture..it's nothing new
Dan I reckon you to stop PSTEC and FasterEft for a while and see how it works for you. May be you are releasing some blocks which is an important part of linear progression of OE development who knows.
(10-25-2014, 06:27 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Dan, you have apparently forgotten a very important truth. The results you get from these programs are the results you allow yourself to have based on how much you cooperate with it.
So if you are not getting the results you want, you have to consider why you are not allowing yourself to cooperate with the program. It is properly made, and we know from experience that it does work. Not every man gets the same results, because not every man cooperates with what it is trying to persuade you to do. You can't say the program is at fault for your lack of results in that case. Instead, you should consider two things:
1. Are you finished yet? If not, it might be wise to finish before passing judgement.
2. Why are you not cooperating? What is holding you back? Is it guilt, shame, fear, embarrassment? I would bet it is. Sex and sexuality is one of the most challenging things to deal with because there is so much guilt shame and fear surrounding it as an issue. How are you going to let yourself be a sex magnet if some part of you fears doing so? And what is more powerful a control mechanism for humans than their sex drive? Control that and you control them completely.
It seems to me that if the program is not producing the results you want, you need to figure out why you're not ready to cooperate and clear those obstacles. But don't pass judgement on the results until you're finished, and remember that the program works, but you have to cooperate with it. That's a big part of why I require people to use it after AM. And when you do pass judgement, consider your own degree of responsibility in the process. It's easy to blame the program, but the program is just a set of instructions. Who is it who decides whether or not to accept and execute them?
Ultimately, the only issue here is figuring out the cause of any blocks, and dissolving them so your subconscious mind will not fight the program.
Yeah to add to this Dan, reading your journal it seems you've been focusing more on your music than on getting sex. Now, nothing wrong with that if thats what you want, but it does seem odd that you've chosen sex magnet if you weren't hell bent on getting laid. I've gone gung-ho on getting laid since starting SM, and the results have showed, but I imagine I wouldn't have anything to show for it if I hadn't.
(10-25-2014, 06:27 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to me that if the program is not producing the results you want, you need to figure out why you're not ready to cooperate and clear those obstacles.
Shannon What do you recommend for clearing obstacles we encounter when using subs?
Feft,pstec or some thing else?
(10-25-2014, 08:21 AM)jonathan4all Wrote: [ -> ]Dan I reckon you to stop PSTEC and FasterEft for a while and see how it works for you. May be you are releasing some blocks which is an important part of linear progression of OE development who knows.
+1
I was thinking a similar thing as I had that happen using FasterEFT during Alpha 5.0. So for now i'm going to stop PSTEC and just focus on AM6 so it doesn't conflict.
For example the social circle thing was kicking in, I was being very social and attracting new friends. Then I did some tapping on some frustration and other feelings and those new social feelings disappeared and it seemed to stop the manifestation. It's difficult to accept as i'm impatient and want to work on other things at the same time.. but I know it's probably the best idea.
But it's up to you, I know some of you disagree with what i've said about clearing methods. It seemed fine with WL6 as I was using it on other areas and it's not a 6 stage set so not as complex.
-Ben
I think PSTEC and FEFT are very powerful clearing tools that can easily get in the way of the sub as we don't know the actual word for word content of those subs.
Clearing tools can be used to clear the emotions that unwanted ("bad") beliefs produce in you and disempower those beliefs. But if you're not careful you clear an emotion that is attached to a belief that you wanted and disempower it, maybe even a belief the sub was trying to install in you.
And everybody who thinks those tools can be used blindly on everything that comes in your way as it is just able to clear the "bad" stuff not the "good" stuff, should do a bit more research about it. Tim, (The PSTEC creator himself) explained in his book one should use this clearing tool carefully as its clearing power doesn't discriminate between wanted and unwanted emotions, it just erases whatever it comes in contact with. (The main reason why he advises to not use it on children).
PSTEC is powerful enough to clear something as primal as your sexdrive, it can turn pariphilia like pedophilia to nothing but if you're not careful it can also clear your attraction to males and/or females no matter if you're born straight, bi-or homosexual. In his book he advises men to not use PSTEC on sexual imageries regarding woman if they want to remain straight. I know somebody who didn't know how to use PSTEC correctly on porn images of females and saw how his attraction to women dropped to the point where he was more attracted to men than to women. Out of fear of turning gay he stopped PSTEC and increased his porn consumption to re-learn becoming aroused by images of females.
If clearing tools like PSTEC are powerful enough to clear such primal drives that many beleive are unchangeably hard-coded into our dna, it has definitive enough power to clear the sub whether you want it to or not.
But how could we combine those clearing tools with subs correctly? The problem aren't the clearing tools by themselves it's how we aim them and at what we aim them. Our situation here is very specific, we are listening to a subliminal that installs thousands of beliefs in us but we don't know the literal word for word content of them. We want the clearing tools to disempower unwanted beliefs while leaving the beliefs that the sub creates untouched, without knowing what those beliefs that shouldn't be touched actually are. In contrast to beliefs we had all our life, those beliefs are new, yet unfamiliar to us and still very weak, hard to detect.
This makes right aiming much harder. We don't feel beliefs, we feel emotions attached to and created by beliefs. If you clear the emotions around a belief you weaken it. But it's not so easy as "I just clear "bad" emotions while I won't tap on good emotions".
In my opinion it is very different if you tap away anger that is created by the belief
"people have to fear me to respect me"
compared to anger that is created by the belief
"I should be treated respectfully" or
"I am not satisfied with my current lifesituation now"
There are many cases where belief no1 is not helpful, where you don't want to have it and it is good to clear the anger behind it to disempower it. But beliefs no.2 and 3 depending on the situation can also create the same feeling... anger.
Anger at others to incentivize them to stop walking over you, Anger at yourself to incentivize you to get your ass up and change your lifesituation. I think as a listener of programs like AM,SM,WM those are beliefs you don't want to weaken by tapping away the anger behind it.
So if you blindly tap away every "negative" feeling you could very well tap away feelings that are created by beliefs you want to have, and that were created for a very good reason. You could be negating beliefs that the sub tries to create in you, making it loose the power it would have untouched.
Every emotion has its use and misuse. Anger can be good and evil. The same goes for Joy. Most think it is good, but attached to the consumption of a drug it creates addiction. Every emotion provides you with another angle to fuel your beliefs, don't discard any of them lightly maybe they would have given you the exact angle you need.
(10-25-2014, 05:35 PM)athanas Wrote: [ -> ]PSTEC is powerful enough to clear something as primal as your sexdrive, it can turn pariphilia like pedophilia to nothing but if you're not careful it can also clear your attraction to males and/or females no matter if you're born straight, bi-or homosexual. In his book he advises men to not use PSTEC on sexual imageries regarding woman if they want to remain straight. I know somebody who didn't know how to use PSTEC correctly on porn images of females and saw how his attraction to women dropped to the point where he was more attracted to men than to women. Out of fear of turning gay he stopped PSTEC and increased his porn consumption to re-learn becoming aroused by images of females.
All you said is true and definitely has me thinking I should just tap on negative beliefs with PSTEC negative from now on, while also using positive.
I've noticed that some of my emotions/reactions have been recurring, despite my efforts to clear them, thus I can only assume I clear them in the day, and the sub builds it up at night.
As for the above, however, one could always PSTEC on the gay side of things, instill PSTEC positive on the female side of things, and be back in business, no?
EDIT: However, interestingly enough, about two weeks ago I did the following statements in PSTEC negative (the one that REMOVES these beliefs) and have been 2 weeks without porn or orgasm.
- It is my belief that watching porn is bad
- It is my belief that watching porn is wrong
- It is my belief that women don’t like porn
It's almost like I was watching it BECAUSE I felt it was wrong. Very peculiar.
(10-25-2014, 06:27 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Dan, you have apparently forgotten a very important truth. The results you get from these programs are the results you allow yourself to have based on how much you cooperate with it.
So if you are not getting the results you want, you have to consider why you are not allowing yourself to cooperate with the program. It is properly made, and we know from experience that it does work. Not every man gets the same results, because not every man cooperates with what it is trying to persuade you to do. You can't say the program is at fault for your lack of results in that case. Instead, you should consider two things:
1. Are you finished yet? If not, it might be wise to finish before passing judgement.
2. Why are you not cooperating? What is holding you back? Is it guilt, shame, fear, embarrassment? I would bet it is. Sex and sexuality is one of the most challenging things to deal with because there is so much guilt shame and fear surrounding it as an issue. How are you going to let yourself be a sex magnet if some part of you fears doing so? And what is more powerful a control mechanism for humans than their sex drive? Control that and you control them completely.
It seems to me that if the program is not producing the results you want, you need to figure out why you're not ready to cooperate and clear those obstacles. But don't pass judgement on the results until you're finished, and remember that the program works, but you have to cooperate with it. That's a big part of why I require people to use it after AM. And when you do pass judgement, consider your own degree of responsibility in the process. It's easy to blame the program, but the program is just a set of instructions. Who is it who decides whether or not to accept and execute them?
Ultimately, the only issue here is figuring out the cause of any blocks, and dissolving them so your subconscious mind will not fight the program.
Shannon - I have to question some of what is written above. Isn't this new version supposed to deal with the blocks/fears with all the new technologies and help us to clear the obstacles automatically? That seems to be implied via the sales page for SM3.
Now I do recognize that an accurate judgement cannot be made until the full program is finished and I respect that but I know that it is frustrating when we follow the instructions and then still do not get results only to be told that it's because of our fear/guilt/shame.
The reason we buy the programs in the first place is that we want results in those areas. Thus we also follow the instructions to play it every day for 6 months and get out there and socialize to see the results.
If the program doesn't clear the fear, guilt, shame with OGSF inside SM3 along with the optimus engine, 5G, etc. then how exactly are we supposed to discover our issues and clear them? How precisely are we supposed to cooperate with the programs? I know that every user using the program consciously wants the results that are listed. No one would spend the time and money required and then not want the results.