Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9

[Shannon]

Just had a thought that an OSC v2 Premium together with Self-Esteem would be an awesome program.

Wan't this idea already propsed and shot down by vote?  I thought this would be a good idea also.

[Have at ye]

Just had a thought that an OSC v2 Premium together with Self-Esteem would be an awesome program.

Wan't this idea already propsed and shot down by vote?  I thought this would be a good idea also.

Yeah, OSC v2 didn't get many votes. But maybe if it's packaged together with SE it'd do better? Seems like a proper power coupling to me.

[Shannon]

Wan't this idea already propsed and shot down by vote?  I thought this would be a good idea also.

Yeah, OSC v2 didn't get many votes. But maybe if it's packaged together with SE it'd do better? Seems like a proper power coupling to me.

You're quickly getting into a slippery slope by adding in things like self esteem.  That fundamentally changes the program, it's goal and it's outcome in ways that ultimately lead to recreating a simplified version of something like Alpha Male.  Self confidence, self esteem, self worth, self respect, etc.

[Have at ye]

Okay, hadn't thought of that. True enough we'd end up with Self-Development Ultra or some such.

Perhaps it's the self-esteem improvement in PTRA that's making me feel it'd go right along with OSC.

[StridingStrider]

Shannon,

I've recently changed my usage pattern on DMSI and I'm now getting dreams related to sex which I'm happy about... maybe this is a silly question but is this a really good sign that I'm closer to execution? On the normal settings I wasn't getting this, at best just dreams related to self esteem. That's the only change I've noticed so far. Still getting the celebrity effect which is nice, but no manifestation or the end goal.

Thanks.

Dreams indicate activity, but the activity may or may not indicate being closer to execution.  They typically indicate that a different level of awareness is now being affected and has begun processing the situation.

What did you change?

8 loops hybrid, occasional day off

[Frosted]

@Shannon I notice that I tend to learn things really fast, but then I plateau because my brain is constantly looking for novelty and doesn’t want to refine what I already know and remove or change limiting habits, behaviors, beliefs, etc.

They work to some extent, but they keep me from full mastery. A quote from Tony Robbin’s comes to mind: “The enemy of the best is the good.” I think it’s partly my ADHD and partly the brains desire to avoid extra work “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.”

Do you think MLS 6G can help with this or is there another product you have or plan to make that would solve this issue?

I think MLS NFRM 6G will be helpful for you in this regard.

Interesting... this is making it really hard not to buy this program lol. I'm really getting the urge to go in all sorts of directions now that your healing programs have gotten me to an increasingly solid place. I'm trying to stick to the healing as long as I can because I know that once I start doing other things I might not end up coming back and the longer I spend building the foundation, the better my "takeoff" will be when I finally start focusing on the other stuff.

[Frosted]

@Shannon You've probably already been thinking of this, but would it be useful to have a companion subliminal for certain titles you can listen to as needed? For example with WM3 or SM4 an as needed to put you in the mood to go out and socialize. Or for MLS, for when you want to get into a learning or performance flow. Or for a success program when you need to get into a winning mindset for something. This kind of thing could be really useful since the current 6G is great for long term, but I don't think it's able to be listened to as needed due to how it can cause overload easily. I wonder if it would be too much effort to use a lower technology level or to strip some of the tech from 6G to make it possible, or if synchronizing it with the main program would be a headache not worth the cost, even if possible. I imagine part of the problem is the design philosophy of 6G itself might contradict this approach in the first place and it might require a whole other branch of research to make possible.

Again, I'm sure you've already thought about it and there's all kinds of factors that come into play that I have no way of knowing, but I thought I'd mention it on the off chance that it was useful.

Have you ever experienced the overload you refer to?

I don't actually recall ever experiencing overload. But I'm also really good about following the directions. Was I mistaken in my assumption? I thought that you had mentioned this issue in the past, like with MHS being a problem since you can't run 6G 24/7, for an example in recent memory.

[Shannon]

Dreams indicate activity, but the activity may or may not indicate being closer to execution.  They typically indicate that a different level of awareness is now being affected and has begun processing the situation.



What did you change?

8 loops hybrid, occasional day off

Did you try using the Masked format before Hybrid?

[Shannon]

Have you ever experienced the overload you refer to?

I don't actually recall ever experiencing overload. But I'm also really good about following the directions. Was I mistaken in my assumption? I thought that you had mentioned this issue in the past, like with MHS being a problem since you can't run 6G 24/7, for an example in recent memory.

I am currently running OPH, and I was getting good results from it for a couple months.  Then I started doing experiments with some new tech.  And now I am not getting good results from OPH anymore.  The new tech is overriding the effects of OPH.  It also makes me extremely tired occasionally.

I appear to have managed to get the programs to not compete for resources in a way that leads to overload in the traditional sense, but they will still destroy one another's effects according to which is more powerful.

Which kind of ends the question of companion programs.

[Frosted]

I don't actually recall ever experiencing overload. But I'm also really good about following the directions. Was I mistaken in my assumption? I thought that you had mentioned this issue in the past, like with MHS being a problem since you can't run 6G 24/7, for an example in recent memory.

I am currently running OPH, and I was getting good results from it for a couple months.  Then I started doing experiments with some new tech.  And now I am not getting good results from OPH anymore.  The new tech is overriding the effects of OPH.  It also makes me extremely tired occasionally.

I appear to have managed to get the programs to not compete for resources in a way that leads to overload in the traditional sense, but they will still destroy one another's effects according to which is more powerful.

Which kind of ends the question of companion programs.

oh sorry I meant MIR, not MHS. But yeah the companion program thing was just a shot in the dark since it was a cool idea. I could see it working though if there was some kind of way to synchronize it with the other program somehow, but I'm not familiar with all the mechanics so it's purely conceptual on my end.

[Have at ye]

Fair enough. I was mostly curious about your underlying philosophy about this. But if that overlaps with you giving away information you dont want to share, I will undertand

That said, have you ever thought about whether very early or deeply traumatized parts might operate with such limited processing badnwith that communication or negotiation doesnt really land until a sense of safety is established first? In those states, doesnt it seem likely that the system may need repeated experiential signals of safety before those parts can begin to thaw from their frozen states?

Something like how a traumatized and abandoned dog learns safety and trust. First allowing proximity without demand then gradually increasing contact until closeness no longer automatically signals danger. I find myself unsure how that kind of safety can be demonstrated in the absence of an actual relational presence

My work so far stronglysuggests that the earliest parts are seriously restricted in their capacity for awareness and comprehension/interpretation/understanding of stimulus.  Perhas we are talking about the same thing when you say limited bandwidth.  Depending on the age at which the trauma was experienced, the "version" of you that "crystalized out" may have little to no ability to understand spoken communication beyond tone and other metacommunications.In many cases, these early crystalizations have only instinct and emotional awareness to use for their comprehension capacity, and the trauma is not always, but frequently, triggered by or made worse by a severe misunderstanding of or misinterpretation of what has actually transpired.

The cases I have worked with, they don't want to do the traumatized dog thing, they just want to hide from whatever makes them remember the trauma.  That seems to be their entire focus: avoiding more trauma, while causing themselves more anxiety and or trauma by focusing on avoiding the trauma and experiencing more of what caused it, thus remembering it, which triggers the anxiety.  In some personality types, it becomes an upward spiral of self traumatization and the person gets worse and worse over time.

One of the approaches I use is to interrupt any feedback loops and redirect them into healing and re-developing the neural pathways that they strengthened into alternate non-trauma associated neural pathways that are in a positive direction.

But the recorded "crystalization", in my model, is not physical.  That is, in part, the memory that is interpreted in the way that results in the fear/guilt/shame becoming the repeated neural path that shapes the nervous system into a constant trauma response. Along with the "system status snapshot" that is the "self" at the time of trauma experience, which is also not physical - or not entirely physical - in my model.

To re-shape the traumatic nervous pathways is great, but if we do not also work with the crystalized part in adjusting it's awareness of and interpretattion of the cause of the trauma experience, the neural pathway just re-forms over time.  This is the truly challenging part of the equation.  How do we work with parts of your awareness associated with memories which are traumatic, to change the understanding of the event to become less traumatic and understood in a different way to allow the trauma associated neural pathways to be extinguished in favor of non-traumatic pathways, which do not regenerate because the awareness itself is not constantly reacting to the memory of the experience of trauma and the feelings it resulted in?

That is a very long sentence.

Anyway, I am working on this.  I am making progress on this, as is evidenced by the results my girlfriend is getting.  Her traumas resulted in a very young girl who had only instinctual and limited emotional awareness, completely misunderstanding parts of what happened to her, and being completely unable to deal with other parts of what she experienced.  The progress she's made using PTSD Recovery Aid v1 is quite surprising, and I am very grateful, but there is more work to be done, and I am still working.

The issue is something I understand.  But developing a solution that works for all traumas and all ages and all personality types is not a simple or fast thing.  I can't really share with you exactly what I am working on for resolving this early trauma issue.  But all evidence points to that I am making progress and going in the right direction.  And v2 goals and adjustments are in development.  

Recently, I found a source of worthwhile information regarding this topic which somewhat surprisingly agrees with my model, research and approach (did not expect that), and has offered me a number of ideas for extending it based on the research of others in the field.  I'm currently reviewing that research and those ideas and approaches to see what of it is useful and what I can develop into PTSD Recovery Aid v2.  The good news is, this will probably allow me to skip a version, and bring what would have been v3 in v2.  The bad news is, this adds sufficient complexity to require multiple additional months to process and develop v2 now.

I am convinced that there is at least one way to work with these extremely early traumatized personality crystalizations and make definite progress in resolving their traumas and responses.  The challenge is in not just communicating with them, but getting them to cooperate in spite of the trauma response, and getting them to do the right things when the cmmunication mode(s) available may be extremely basic.

You know, what you wrote here reminds me of Lacan's concept of "la-langue", a pre-speech language in which the infant/young child operates. In psychoanalytic practice, it's technically possible to communicate with these parts of the unconscious, but they express themselves in wonky ways: jokes, weird associations, rhymes, etc., and a skilled therapist should know how to respond (though it's mostly instinctual).

On another note, what seems to be helping me while using PTRA is targeting postive affects to the damaged parts, like bombarding them with healing energy and aura of love energy. Perhaps something akin to this is already employed? Like auric modulations used in DMSI, but for a change used to heal traumas that are still somewhat language-resistant (so targeted to the user themselves).

[StridingStrider]

8 loops hybrid, occasional day off

Did you try using the Masked format before Hybrid?

I didn't no. I've found higher loops, "tougher" format works better for the fear my subconscious has.

[Shannon]

I am currently running OPH, and I was getting good results from it for a couple months.  Then I started doing experiments with some new tech.  And now I am not getting good results from OPH anymore.  The new tech is overriding the effects of OPH.  It also makes me extremely tired occasionally.

I appear to have managed to get the programs to not compete for resources in a way that leads to overload in the traditional sense, but they will still destroy one another's effects according to which is more powerful.

Which kind of ends the question of companion programs.

oh sorry I meant MIR, not MHS. But yeah the companion program thing was just a shot in the dark since it was a cool idea. I could see it working though if there was some kind of way to synchronize it with the other program somehow, but I'm not familiar with all the mechanics so it's purely conceptual on my end.

I appreciate your input, regardless.

[Shannon]

My work so far stronglysuggests that the earliest parts are seriously restricted in their capacity for awareness and comprehension/interpretation/understanding of stimulus.  Perhas we are talking about the same thing when you say limited bandwidth.  Depending on the age at which the trauma was experienced, the "version" of you that "crystalized out" may have little to no ability to understand spoken communication beyond tone and other metacommunications.In many cases, these early crystalizations have only instinct and emotional awareness to use for their comprehension capacity, and the trauma is not always, but frequently, triggered by or made worse by a severe misunderstanding of or misinterpretation of what has actually transpired.

The cases I have worked with, they don't want to do the traumatized dog thing, they just want to hide from whatever makes them remember the trauma.  That seems to be their entire focus: avoiding more trauma, while causing themselves more anxiety and or trauma by focusing on avoiding the trauma and experiencing more of what caused it, thus remembering it, which triggers the anxiety.  In some personality types, it becomes an upward spiral of self traumatization and the person gets worse and worse over time.

One of the approaches I use is to interrupt any feedback loops and redirect them into healing and re-developing the neural pathways that they strengthened into alternate non-trauma associated neural pathways that are in a positive direction.

But the recorded "crystalization", in my model, is not physical.  That is, in part, the memory that is interpreted in the way that results in the fear/guilt/shame becoming the repeated neural path that shapes the nervous system into a constant trauma response. Along with the "system status snapshot" that is the "self" at the time of trauma experience, which is also not physical - or not entirely physical - in my model.

To re-shape the traumatic nervous pathways is great, but if we do not also work with the crystalized part in adjusting it's awareness of and interpretattion of the cause of the trauma experience, the neural pathway just re-forms over time.  This is the truly challenging part of the equation.  How do we work with parts of your awareness associated with memories which are traumatic, to change the understanding of the event to become less traumatic and understood in a different way to allow the trauma associated neural pathways to be extinguished in favor of non-traumatic pathways, which do not regenerate because the awareness itself is not constantly reacting to the memory of the experience of trauma and the feelings it resulted in?

That is a very long sentence.

Anyway, I am working on this.  I am making progress on this, as is evidenced by the results my girlfriend is getting.  Her traumas resulted in a very young girl who had only instinctual and limited emotional awareness, completely misunderstanding parts of what happened to her, and being completely unable to deal with other parts of what she experienced.  The progress she's made using PTSD Recovery Aid v1 is quite surprising, and I am very grateful, but there is more work to be done, and I am still working.

The issue is something I understand.  But developing a solution that works for all traumas and all ages and all personality types is not a simple or fast thing.  I can't really share with you exactly what I am working on for resolving this early trauma issue.  But all evidence points to that I am making progress and going in the right direction.  And v2 goals and adjustments are in development.  

Recently, I found a source of worthwhile information regarding this topic which somewhat surprisingly agrees with my model, research and approach (did not expect that), and has offered me a number of ideas for extending it based on the research of others in the field.  I'm currently reviewing that research and those ideas and approaches to see what of it is useful and what I can develop into PTSD Recovery Aid v2.  The good news is, this will probably allow me to skip a version, and bring what would have been v3 in v2.  The bad news is, this adds sufficient complexity to require multiple additional months to process and develop v2 now.

I am convinced that there is at least one way to work with these extremely early traumatized personality crystalizations and make definite progress in resolving their traumas and responses.  The challenge is in not just communicating with them, but getting them to cooperate in spite of the trauma response, and getting them to do the right things when the cmmunication mode(s) available may be extremely basic.

You know, what you wrote here reminds me of Lacan's concept of "la-langue", a pre-speech language in which the infant/young child operates. In psychoanalytic practice, it's technically possible to communicate with these parts of the unconscious, but they express themselves in wonky ways: jokes, weird associations, rhymes, etc., and a skilled therapist should know how to respond (though it's mostly instinctual).

What I am primarily working with in most cases is pre-speech entirely. It appears to be pure instinct at the lowest levels, and adds emotions at the higher levels. There is no language at all in the literal sense of what "language" means (to use the tongue to speak).  I have found that there is communication with, from and to even these parts, but it's very different than speech based communications that speaking children and adults are used to.

On another note, what seems to be helping me while using PTRA is targeting postive affects to the damaged parts, like bombarding them with healing energy and aura of love energy. Perhaps something akin to this is already employed? Like auric modulations used in DMSI, but for a change used to heal traumas that are still somewhat language-resistant (so targeted to the user themselves).

PRA has Aura of Love in it.  You're suggesting targeted love bombing using this unconditional love energy?