Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[thectexperience1]

@Shannon Just read your most recent post in your journal and all I have to say is: fuck yeah. Thank you for being you.

Totally. I got psyched up reading that too.

[Bayern2]

@Shannon Just read your most recent post in your journal and all I have to say is: fuck yeah. Thank you for being you.

Agreed with this.  By the end of that post I had a huge smile on my face.  I can't wait for this.

[ReconGunner]

@Shannon Just read your most recent post in your journal and all I have to say is: fuck yeah. Thank you for being you.

Seconded on all counts.

I plan to run AM7 at some point. Knowing myself currently and not anticipating what my current and subsequent runs of UMS will do internally, I am one who will probably need more than one run-through of AM7. I've said this about UMS, and it applies to AM7 equally or more: a college degree in the U.S. takes four years or more and produces varying results; today less results than ever. All these subliminal products, especially the "major" ones like UMS and AM7, are so thoroughly and positively life changing that whatever time they take is worth it - multiple run-throughs, whatever. And even though they are expensive, they cost far less than those college degrees and require far less conscious effort.

Ah that latest post on AM7 in Shannon's journal is a massive breath of fresh air.

With the massive amount of COMPLETE nonsense around so called 'masculinity' in the world, which even extends to so called 'masculinity' coaches spouting weak shit, destroying actual masculinity, 'divine masculine' bullshit and other spiritual or 'new age' nonsense around it all.

Also not catering for anyone pretending to be what they can never be just for the sake of being pc. Whenever I see any of that nonsense from 'masculinity' coaches catering to that it's an instant no for me.

I'm of the opinion that this stuff NEEDS to upset certain crowds now, and that will be an indication of it's effectiveness. Because things have gone massively too far the other way of weakening men. I've read books on 'masculinity' (I keep doing quotations for the people who say they teach it but it's bs) and it's started with all kinds of bullshit apologies and such trying to soften it for those trying to destroy us for all these years hoping that if they bow down and kiss their ass maybe they won't get upset at the author having the gall to actually try to build men up!

It's getting extremely hard to find good stuff in this area and all the teachings are getting further and further away from it. A rare few really embody it and you can see it in their vibe, but most of those aren't offering programs to change subconsciously, just more 'information'. I have enough information.

But in saying that, it would be interesting at some stage maybe coinciding with the release of AM7 whenever that is, to either have an updated thread/post or even on the description page in detail of the current description of an Ascendant Alpha, similar to this past post. So that we can understand what it's going for.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-What-...7#pid34957

Also I wasn't sure and was thinking about it, but I think the full upgrade choice is a good one.

Absolutely. I've even seen some sources that are initially spot on and then come out with a "Second Edition" that apologizes for upsetting some people as an explanation for why they've watered down the content of the first edition. This is what we fight externally. And also internally; it's been the water we swim in our whole lives, so that almost none of us see fully everything that is wrong and needs correcting.

[LionKing]

New plan sounds badass, love it! Much better than just a tech update.

[Johannesbrst]

Hi Shannon,

It might just be me being a bit sensitive, but when I read the phrase “like a bitch” in the Alpha Male post in your private journal, the tone felt a little different from what I personally associate with an Ascendent Alpha (though I realize that’s my own standard). I know everyone carries their own idea of what that ideal looks like, but it left me wondering if the program might lean in a certain direction rather than being fully “neutral,” where each person can find their own version of it.

That might simply mean this program isn’t the right fit for me, and that I’d resonate more with Maverick. I just wanted to share that impression in case it’s helpful feedback.

[Shannon]

Theoretically, it would seem logically possible, wouldn't it?  But realistically, it's about like dropping a grand piano on your head and expecting beautiful music to result.  

They are the same title, but the scripting is different, the metascripting is different, the methodology is different and technology is different.  So the 5G version really cannot prepare you for stage 4 of the 6G version.  You should run the whole program according to the instructions.  Otherwise, I would have just said in the instructions... if you've been using the 5G version previously, within X amount of time, you can just get and use Stage 4.

Thanks, Shannon. Love the piano analogy. So then how long a break do you suggest between UMS 5G and UMS 6G?

A couple weeks should be good.

I'm painfully aware that you're basically a magician inventing magic potions and we come back on here with questions like, "Duh did he say to boil da herb?"

For what it's worth, from our perspective we're dealing with strong medicine. We want to make doubly sure we get the usage right.

You're not expected to know everything.  That's why I can't simply disappear and let others run the show.  I'm the only one who knows the answers to a lot of the legitimate questions my customers have.  I appreciate that you're trying to get it right, instead of being careless with it.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

It might just be me being a bit sensitive, but when I read the phrase “like a bitch” in the Alpha Male post in your private journal, the tone felt a little different from what I personally associate with an Ascendent Alpha  (though I realize that’s my own standard). I know everyone carries their own idea of what that ideal looks like, but it left me wondering if the program might lean in a certain direction rather than being fully “neutral,” where each person can find their own version of it.

That might simply mean this program isn’t the right fit for me, and that I’d resonate more with Maverick. I just wanted to share that impression in case it’s helpful feedback.

The idea is simple.  You're going to be challenged running this program, and you're either going to do what it takes to achieve the goal, or you're going to choose to run away instead.

If you're going to run this program, you obviously want to become an ascendant alpha.  If you're going to run away instead of doing what it takes, you're obviously not ready for that.  

"Like a bitch" is a direct statement.  I'm saying that because a man doesn't run away from challenges, even if he's not an alpha.  He may consider the challenge and make the choice not to accept it.  But going in knowing that he's going to be challenged and made to step up and grow, and then stopping afterwards to run away, is ridiculous. It's pathetic. I don't respect that at all.  Just like what they had Luke Skywalker do in the 7th Star Wars movie.  He gave up, and threw in the towel, instead of doing the good that he could have done, for himself and others.  Terrible storytelling.  I would have been laughed out of my Freshmen year of college for handing in that script in my Creative Writing class.

A boy is unwilling to take personal responsibility.  A girl (and lately, plenty of little girls in adult female bodies) are unwilling to take personal responsibility for themselves. But a man does take personal responsibility.  He knows he has to, because otherwise, he, his family, his community and all of society falls apart.  And as such, he knows that he has the potential - no, the responsibility - to make the world a better place by his actions and his example.  He has the potential to help make the world be the world he wants to see, instead of what laziness, selfishness, greed and corruption are making it.  

A man knows that means that he has the responsibility to himself to grow and improve himself, make himself better than he is now, and always strive to be improving, no matter what he achieves.  And a man knows that life will be difficult for him, because of his natural role, because of his place in the world, because of what his job in a healthy family and society is.  He also knows that that simply is what it is, and he gets on with facing it, doing what it takes and working to achieve his goals anyway.

Whether he only leads himself, or he leads a nation, a man knows that challenges are simply a part of life, and that they are a gift in disguise.  Every challenge holds within it the potential for improvement, if he faces it, and does what it takes to address it and overcome it.  A man cannot be truly happy unless he is expressing his masculine energy, which needs a challenge to make it live.  That challenge may be within him, or outside of him, but masculinity needs a challenge, because that is what masculine energy thrives on:  action, achievement, improvement, success.  That is why society has advanced over the millennia with the contributions men have made, such as roads, wheels, aqueducts, buildings, sanitary sewers, pulleys, engines, motors, electricity, air conditioning, telephones, radio, and on and on and on.  Because men had this energy and drive to do, achieve, overcome, improve and succeed.

So if you know, going in, that this is going to challenge you, it's going to stress you, it's going to put you under pressure and it's going to break you down and build you back up again better, stronger and more valuable, and then you stop in the middle "because you can't handle it", that's acting like a bitch.  That's running away from the challenge instead of making the changes you need to make to achieve the goal.  That's the antithesis of masculinity, when you're running a program designed and intended to enhance, improve and magnify your masculinity.  

If you're not up for that kind of challenge, fine.  There are legitimate reasons why someone might not be.  If you want the goals of the program, though, then you're going to do whatever it takes to get them.  If that means making yourself ready and able to run that program, then that's what you do.  If that means you face the harsh facts and truths about yourself as you are that have made you what you are, which is not the Ascendant Alpha you want to be, then that's what you do.  But it's downright pathetic to go in knowing what's going to be required of you, and then giving up and running away after you start.  

In simpler terms, don't start running an Alpha Male Training subliminal and then give up when the going gets tough and do the complete reverse of what an Alpha Male would do if you want anyone to take you seriously.  "Like a bitch" is an expression of scorn and lack of respect for that course of action.

[Johannesbrst]

Hi Shannon,

It might just be me being a bit sensitive, but when I read the phrase “like a bitch” in the Alpha Male post in your private journal, the tone felt a little different from what I personally associate with an Ascendent Alpha  (though I realize that’s my own standard). I know everyone carries their own idea of what that ideal looks like, but it left me wondering if the program might lean in a certain direction rather than being fully “neutral,” where each person can find their own version of it.

That might simply mean this program isn’t the right fit for me, and that I’d resonate more with Maverick. I just wanted to share that impression in case it’s helpful feedback.

The idea is simple.  You're going to be challenged running this program, and you're either going to do what it takes to achieve the goal, or you're going to choose to run away instead.

If you're going to run this program, you obviously want to become an ascendant alpha.  If you're going to run away instead of doing what it takes, you're obviously not ready for that.  

"Like a bitch" is a direct statement.  I'm saying that because a man doesn't run away from challenges, even if he's not an alpha.  He may consider the challenge and make the choice not to accept it.  But going in knowing that he's going to be challenged and made to step up and grow, and then stopping afterwards to run away, is ridiculous. It's pathetic. I don't respect that at all.  Just like what they had Luke Skywalker do in the 7th Star Wars movie.  He gave up, and threw in the towel, instead of doing the good that he could have done, for himself and others.  Terrible storytelling.  I would have been laughed out of my Freshmen year of college for handing in that script in my Creative Writing class.

A boy is unwilling to take personal responsibility.  A girl (and lately, plenty of little girls in adult female bodies) are unwilling to take personal responsibility for themselves. But a man does take personal responsibility.  He knows he has to, because otherwise, he, his family, his community and all of society falls apart.  And as such, he knows that he has the potential - no, the responsibility - to make the world a better place by his actions and his example.  He has the potential to help make the world be the world he wants to see, instead of what laziness, selfishness, greed and corruption are making it.  

A man knows that means that he has the responsibility to himself to grow and improve himself, make himself better than he is now, and always strive to be improving, no matter what he achieves.  And a man knows that life will be difficult for him, because of his natural role, because of his place in the world, because of what his job in a healthy family and society is.  He also knows that that simply is what it is, and he gets on with facing it, doing what it takes and working to achieve his goals anyway.

Whether he only leads himself, or he leads a nation, a man knows that challenges are simply a part of life, and that they are a gift in disguise.  Every challenge holds within it the potential for improvement, if he faces it, and does what it takes to address it and overcome it.  A man cannot be truly happy unless he is expressing his masculine energy, which needs a challenge to make it live.  That challenge may be within him, or outside of him, but masculinity needs a challenge, because that is what masculine energy thrives on:  action, achievement, improvement, success.  That is why society has advanced over the millennia with the contributions men have made, such as roads, wheels, aqueducts, buildings, sanitary sewers, pulleys, engines, motors, electricity, air conditioning, telephones, radio, and on and on and on.  Because men had this energy and drive to do, achieve, overcome, improve and succeed.

So if you know, going in, that this is going to challenge you, it's going to stress you, it's going to put you under pressure and it's going to break you down and build you back up again better, stronger and more valuable, and then you stop in the middle "because you can't handle it", that's acting like a bitch.  That's running away from the challenge instead of making the changes you need to make to achieve the goal.  That's the antithesis of masculinity, when you're running a program designed and intended to enhance, improve and magnify your masculinity.  

If you're not up for that kind of challenge, fine.  There are legitimate reasons why someone might not be.  If you want the goals of the program, though, then you're going to do whatever it takes to get them.  If that means making yourself ready and able to run that program, then that's what you do.  If that means you face the harsh facts and truths about yourself as you are that have made you what you are, which is not the Ascendant Alpha you want to be, then that's what you do.  But it's downright pathetic to go in knowing what's going to be required of you, and then giving up and running away after you start.  

In simpler terms, don't start running an Alpha Male Training subliminal and then give up when the going gets tough and do the complete reverse of what an Alpha Male would do if you want anyone to take you seriously.  "Like a bitch" is an expression of scorn and lack of respect for that course of action.

I appreciate the depth you shared in your reply and the way you framed the importance of responsibility and challenge.

What I’m reacting to, though, is the use of a derogatory term toward women, which doesn’t feel aligned with the ideal the Ascendent Alpha is meant to embody. In my own experience, I’ve known women who showed a stronger sense of responsibility than many men I’ve met, so the wording felt out of place.

I have great confidence in your abilities and have used your programs for years with success. Still, with a program designed to challenge users so deeply, seeing that kind of language makes me cautious about the type of attitude it might reinforce and how well it allows each individual to find their own definition of the Ascendent Alpha.

Of course, this may simply be my own sensitivity, but I thought it was worth sharing since it was the honest reaction I had.

[Catman]

Great news about AM7 and it's pure focus, @Shannon.

I know the SM tie-in watered it down but was put in to appease.

AM6 was already a great program.

I can't imagine what a purist, focused, extreme AM7 can do.

It'll change a lot of lives for sure.

[ncbeareatingman]

I hope that " Optimal Physical Healing " has a fighting chance to be built NEXT!!
A great interim until Anti-aging/Youthing comes along!!

[Benjamin]

I appreciate the depth you shared in your reply and the way you framed the importance of responsibility and challenge.

What I’m reacting to, though, is the use of a derogatory term toward women, which doesn’t feel aligned with the ideal the Ascendent Alpha is meant to embody. In my own experience, I’ve known women who showed a stronger sense of responsibility than many men I’ve met, so the wording felt out of place.

I have great confidence in your abilities and have used your programs for years with success. Still, with a program designed to challenge users so deeply, seeing that kind of language makes me cautious about the type of attitude it might reinforce and how well it allows each individual to find their own definition of the Ascendent Alpha.

Of course, this may simply be my own sensitivity, but I thought it was worth sharing since it was the honest reaction I had.

This program is not for you.

You continually post emasculated crap, and now are trying to bring this nonsense where it said absolutely nothing derogotory whatsoever about women and trying to be manipulative by concern trolling, and fake 'being offended' to try to force him to weaken the message and intent, also as an attempt to get fake brownie points from the people who are destroying masculinity and who hate men. Pretending it's 'helpful feedback' when it's obvious that is not your intent.

Stop trying to come in like a male feminist and try to water things down, as you can see from the multiple posts in support most of us men are sick of that shit. With the stuff you've shared around masculinity i'm glad it makes you cautious, cos your beliefs and information are the weak fake spiritual new age masculinity stuff that is absolutely horrible for men.

What you're representing is exactly all of what I was saying in my first post.

Yes it is your own sensitivity and massive brainwashing that you're now trying to project onto other men who have an opportunity to finally find a program that ACTUALLY represents real masculinity.

[AbundanceCH]

I stand with Benjamin 1000%

[Johannesbrst]

I appreciate the depth you shared in your reply and the way you framed the importance of responsibility and challenge.

What I’m reacting to, though, is the use of a derogatory term toward women, which doesn’t feel aligned with the ideal the Ascendent Alpha is meant to embody. In my own experience, I’ve known women who showed a stronger sense of responsibility than many men I’ve met, so the wording felt out of place.

I have great confidence in your abilities and have used your programs for years with success. Still, with a program designed to challenge users so deeply, seeing that kind of language makes me cautious about the type of attitude it might reinforce and how well it allows each individual to find their own definition of the Ascendent Alpha.

Of course, this may simply be my own sensitivity, but I thought it was worth sharing since it was the honest reaction I had.

This program is not for you.

You continually post emasculated crap, and now are trying to bring this nonsense where it said absolutely nothing derogotory whatsoever about women and trying to be manipulative by concern trolling, and fake 'being offended' to try to force him to weaken the message and intent, also as an attempt to get fake brownie points from the people who are destroying masculinity and who hate men. Pretending it's 'helpful feedback' when it's obvious that is not your intent.

Stop trying to come in like a male feminist and try to water things down, as you can see from the multiple posts in support most of us men are sick of that shit. With the stuff you've shared around masculinity i'm glad it makes you cautious, cos your beliefs and information are the weak fake spiritual new age masculinity stuff that is absolutely horrible for men.

What you're representing is exactly all of what I was saying in my first post.

Yes it is your own sensitivity and massive brainwashing that you're now trying to project onto other men who have an opportunity to finally find a program that ACTUALLY represents real masculinity.

Alright, if you say so, I guess it’s not for me then.

[Shannon]

The idea is simple.  You're going to be challenged running this program, and you're either going to do what it takes to achieve the goal, or you're going to choose to run away instead.

If you're going to run this program, you obviously want to become an ascendant alpha.  If you're going to run away instead of doing what it takes, you're obviously not ready for that.  

"Like a bitch" is a direct statement.  I'm saying that because a man doesn't run away from challenges, even if he's not an alpha.  He may consider the challenge and make the choice not to accept it.  But going in knowing that he's going to be challenged and made to step up and grow, and then stopping afterwards to run away, is ridiculous. It's pathetic. I don't respect that at all.  Just like what they had Luke Skywalker do in the 7th Star Wars movie.  He gave up, and threw in the towel, instead of doing the good that he could have done, for himself and others.  Terrible storytelling.  I would have been laughed out of my Freshmen year of college for handing in that script in my Creative Writing class.

A boy is unwilling to take personal responsibility.  A girl (and lately, plenty of little girls in adult female bodies) are unwilling to take personal responsibility for themselves. But a man does take personal responsibility.  He knows he has to, because otherwise, he, his family, his community and all of society falls apart.  And as such, he knows that he has the potential - no, the responsibility - to make the world a better place by his actions and his example.  He has the potential to help make the world be the world he wants to see, instead of what laziness, selfishness, greed and corruption are making it.  

A man knows that means that he has the responsibility to himself to grow and improve himself, make himself better than he is now, and always strive to be improving, no matter what he achieves.  And a man knows that life will be difficult for him, because of his natural role, because of his place in the world, because of what his job in a healthy family and society is.  He also knows that that simply is what it is, and he gets on with facing it, doing what it takes and working to achieve his goals anyway.

Whether he only leads himself, or he leads a nation, a man knows that challenges are simply a part of life, and that they are a gift in disguise.  Every challenge holds within it the potential for improvement, if he faces it, and does what it takes to address it and overcome it.  A man cannot be truly happy unless he is expressing his masculine energy, which needs a challenge to make it live.  That challenge may be within him, or outside of him, but masculinity needs a challenge, because that is what masculine energy thrives on:  action, achievement, improvement, success.  That is why society has advanced over the millennia with the contributions men have made, such as roads, wheels, aqueducts, buildings, sanitary sewers, pulleys, engines, motors, electricity, air conditioning, telephones, radio, and on and on and on.  Because men had this energy and drive to do, achieve, overcome, improve and succeed.

So if you know, going in, that this is going to challenge you, it's going to stress you, it's going to put you under pressure and it's going to break you down and build you back up again better, stronger and more valuable, and then you stop in the middle "because you can't handle it", that's acting like a bitch.  That's running away from the challenge instead of making the changes you need to make to achieve the goal.  That's the antithesis of masculinity, when you're running a program designed and intended to enhance, improve and magnify your masculinity.  

If you're not up for that kind of challenge, fine.  There are legitimate reasons why someone might not be.  If you want the goals of the program, though, then you're going to do whatever it takes to get them.  If that means making yourself ready and able to run that program, then that's what you do.  If that means you face the harsh facts and truths about yourself as you are that have made you what you are, which is not the Ascendant Alpha you want to be, then that's what you do.  But it's downright pathetic to go in knowing what's going to be required of you, and then giving up and running away after you start.  

In simpler terms, don't start running an Alpha Male Training subliminal and then give up when the going gets tough and do the complete reverse of what an Alpha Male would do if you want anyone to take you seriously.  "Like a bitch" is an expression of scorn and lack of respect for that course of action.

I appreciate the depth you shared in your reply and the way you framed the importance of responsibility and challenge.

What I’m reacting to, though, is the use of a derogatory term toward women, which doesn’t feel aligned with the ideal the Ascendent Alpha is meant to embody. In my own experience, I’ve known women who showed a stronger sense of responsibility than many men I’ve met, so the wording felt out of place.

I have great confidence in your abilities and have used your programs for years with success. Still, with a program designed to challenge users so deeply, seeing that kind of language makes me cautious about the type of attitude it might reinforce and how well it allows each individual to find their own definition of the Ascendent Alpha.

Of course, this may simply be my own sensitivity, but I thought it was worth sharing since it was the honest reaction I had.

You seem to be really reaching here.  Nobody even mentioned women.  I never said anything derogatory to women.  What I said is derogatory to males who start AM7 knowing what it is designed to do, and that it will be challenging, and then fail to finish it because it's too scary, or they can't handle the things it's doing to get them to grow.  Nothing to do with women at all.  

I wonder how worried you are when people refer to male genitalia as "junk", which is derogatory?  Or when countless women on YouTube and TikTok are blatantly derogatory to men?  Or when women are derogatory to men in movies, or TV shows, or talk shows?  For at least the last 5 or 10 years now, the derogation is largely coming from women, not going to them.

Ascendant Alpha is about the man himself.  Nothing to do with women. There will be a lot of guys who come here and complain about that.  Why don't you have the Sex Magnet lead in anymore?  Why don't you make it so I'm more attractive to women while I'm running it?  Why did I lose interest in women while I'm running it?  I dunno, maybe because AM7 isn't about women, it's about the man running it becoming a better, stronger man?  Women are just a distraction from what AM7 is all about.  An ascendant alpha would only be derogatory to a woman who was worthy of scorn and disrespect as a result of her choices and actions, not because she was a woman.  He would be just as willing to be derogatory of any male who deserved it for the same reasons.  I couldn't give a shit less if someone is a man or a woman.  People are people.  I do care of they actively do things that kill my respect for them.  And that goes for men or women equally.

Not everything is about women, in spite of what some of them think to the contrary.