Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Sub]

Hey,

I have seen that there exist a sub named "overcome ED". I didnt know that something like this could work until I read some journals about it. 

I am not 100% sure but I think I have an PIED, because it works when I watch a porn, but rarely with real women without help. I realized a few weeks before corona, that I have a problem. 

I am healthy, do sports and eat organic foods. I have no overgweight or other diseases. My hormone levels also ok. I am doing spezial training for the pelvic floor and some things for the generell blod flow. At the end of the year I will check the blood flow in the penis but probably it will be ok. if not, the things which i do, should have shown an effect. 

Until now nothing seems to help. Also I have no fears about sex and had never fears or something like performance anxiety or something like that. 

So that also speaks for a PIED. I stopped porns 3 month ago, and my libido got back afer 1.5-2 month. The ED got a bit better. Then I had more sex with girls and also more fantasies about sex and it got worse again. Probably because I have this fantasies when I am horny and my brain can't differentiate between the fantasies and the real porn. Now I start again with no porn and also no fap and I try to not think about sex fantasies. Also I will only have sex when I have the desire. To stay committed I will write a nofap journal at a other forum. I am also planning to support this with a good subliminal.

I have read that some guys here had a similiar problem and they did OED or also some did DMSI (an older version). I think OED should be better. @Shannon What would you recommend me?

Thanks.

[Benjamin]

Someone told me yesterday that for Stage 3 of LTU 6 the zip files didn't say stage 3. I checked them and they contain stage 3 and renamed them to avoid confusion.

[dE3k]

Someone told me yesterday that for Stage 3 of LTU 6 the zip files didn't say stage 3. I checked them and they contain stage 3 and renamed them to avoid confusion.

not sure if its all the files in the zip but when I open the ultrasonic silent it's named "Relaxing Ocean Waves"

[Jake2015]

Hi @Shannon I updated my journal just now and wondered if what im experiencing is some form of resistance?

In a nutshell I have music ive listened to play in my mind. :/ weird I know.

[StridingStrider]

Shannon, what's behind low psychological/physical energy? Some people seem to have lots of it (get up and go types) and others don't. Is it fear?

[Aventus45]

is shannon ok? Havent seen him reply in a while.

[ncbeareatingman]

is shannon ok? Havent seen him reply in a while.

 I guarantee you Shannon is knee deep in working on DMSI...he said previously that he was going to really really focus on getting DMSI laid out ,mapped out and charted,not in those exact words.... in short he  was gonna git da shit handled,as soon as he could. He did say that he was going to try and nail it down in 2-3 weeks in October. thats my estimate of whats going on Aventus45.  cant work and focus as much if he's constantly here...and while we all appreciate that,over time.....

......I'd much rather see the finished product and THEN discuss stuff,have questions answered,or as close as possible to that. seeing as how much Shannon has to do before the end of the year and into the early part of 2021.
 Platinum Build and charting those waters is no small potatoes....so yeah thats my estimation of what all is going on,in addition to goodness knows what all else.

[ichigo]

Hi Shannon,

I've downloaded the Hybrid Tricking Stream FLAC and Ultrasonic MP3 for Stage 3 of LTU6 to prepare for my first loops tomorrow.

For both files, the "Title" of the track seems to be "Relaxing Ocean Waves". Have you spotted this? Is it just a mistake with the title of the files and they will be okay for playing tomorrow?

Thank you.

[Shannon]

If a person can't afford $114.95 a month right now, then they will have to start saving.  Otherwise, we can't make a deal because I can't give away that much time, effort, energy, expertise, focus and work for that little forever.  For what went into it and what you are getting, $600 a copy is a screaming deal!  The issue is that people have become so impatient that "saving up for something" has gone right out the window.  Nobody thinks of saving anymore.

As someone who's gone through (and is still going through) difficult financial times, this is absolutely NOT the correct conclusion to reach about even a $114.95 price, let alone a $600 one, for ANY subliminal motivational audio program and has been parroted here so much it might as well be a strawman argument. Impatience is real, certainly, but the REAL issue that anyone coming here would have with pricing like that is the "value" argument that has been brought up here before but for some reason downplayed in recent years. More specifically: the value of "one audio file" with a script not available to anyone but the sole writer written and produced over the course of approximately one month regardless of how much time and effort it took beforehand to reach the level of knowledge and writing speed to make the production only take one month, versus something like a major console video game priced at $69.99 developed and produced by a team of potentially hundreds of people over the course of approximately one year regardless of how much time and effort it took each of those people to reach their individual knowledge and speed levels. In addition, the subliminal often has a prescribed listening regimen while the video games may have campaigns designed to last dozens of hours but almost certainly designed as well to addict for more. On top of that, major video games have insane amounts of marketing designed to hook and subliminal programs have relatively little to no marketing of any kind beyond word of mouth.

Even now in 2020 and amidst a reportedly raging viral pandemic, adults and even children will still save up their monies for video games, even if they also have to save the money to also get a new console on top of that to play those particular video games. Those who choose PC for "AAA" gaming also do this, but instead of whole consoles it's piece by piece (especially graphics cards, which are now on the higher end costing more than whole consoles). People still gladly pre-order games even before knowing how they will turn out. The key issue isn't, and I would argue almost never has been, impatience, the key issue is perception of value, potential to hook and addict, and marketing.

Comparing a game to a subliminal is going to lead you to a very skewed and inaccurate conclusion as to the value of a subliminal.  

For example:

I buy a copy of Skyrim for $59.95 and it provides me entertainment for the next 10 years while Todd Howard figures out that it's dark because his head is up his butt, and that he should be releasing titles in the Elder Scrolls series about every 4 to 6 years to maximize profits.  

Or, I buy a subliminal designed to overcome fear for $114.95, which improves the quality of my life, allows me to overcome my fears, and expands my range of what I can do in life, thus allowing me to do more things and make much more money as a result.  Let's say that over that same 10 years, my investment makes me a compounding increase of 10% per year in income.  If we say I start with $50,000 in income, the result looks like this:

1. 50,000
   
2. 55,000
   
3. 60,500
   
4. 66,550
   
5. 73,205
   
6. 80,525.50
   
7. 88,578.05
   
8. 97,435.86
   
9. 107,179.44
   
10. 117,897.38
    

This of course is hypothetical, and would not be the case for everyone.  The point I am trying to illustrate is that this is a genuinely possible outcome from having spent $114.95 on that program, and it results in much more value than it cost to buy.  How do you put a price on freedom from fear?  It's priceless, especially if it's been keeping you from being happy. 

What about Life Tune-Up v6?  Is that worth $600 a copy for the set, or $800+ while the price of 5.75G is lower than it should be?  Or whatever it ends up costing?  That depends on what you get out of it, of course.  And if you're using it to help you make your life better, and it works, how much is that worth?   If you started out anxious, depressed, feeling hopeless and wanting to kill yourself all the time, and you end up able to overcome your fears, put your life on a positive track, start a business and then make that business grow and pay your bills, would LTUv6 be worth it?  Because that's exactly what happened for the person it was made for.  After they had exhausted all of their "professional" options.

These programs cost what they do for a lot of reasons.  Not everyone is going to get the results that make it worth that price to them, and they have the option of a refund.  But the fact is, the majority of people who use these programs, and especially the newer stuff, get the results and they get more value than it cost as a result.  That is why they pay it eagerly when I lower the price to $600 a copy for the program.  That is why they pay it when it costs $800+ a copy at $114.95 a stage but they can only afford one stage at a time.  That is why they pay it when it is well over $1,000 at full price, with refund requests being very unusual.

How about the person who experiences chronic pain who uses General Pain Relief and succeeds in reducing it significantly, and making their painkillers either no longer necessary or allows them to significantly reduce their reliance on them?  Maybe that doesn't sound like value if you're not in pain, but that program was created to help with things like cluster headaches, the worst there is.  I can tell you from personal experience that before GPR the only hope I had was to fall asleep and spend all day sleeping to avoid the pain of having two white hot iron rods piercing through my skull and left eye.  The pain was so great that any movement was enough to make a grown man cry, and crying is of course movement.  The ONLY thing that helped was GPR.  Not only does it help, it allows me in the vast majority of cases to reduce them from 8-12 hours at a time to 20-45 minutes, and reduce the pain from 8-9-10 to 2-3-4.  Sometimes, it will stop them before they get beyond a mild eye ache.  Have you ever been in so much pain that you seriously considered suicide?  That is a cluster headache, and they are called that because they cluster.  Mine used to last 2-3 weeks at a time, and I would get them every day during that time, 8-12 hours per day.  What is the value of a program that can do what GPR does for my cluster headaches?  You could spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to go spend weeks, months, years dealing with specialist medical doctors, and get yourself deeply addicted to painkillers, trying to deal with those same headaches.  What value does that program have now?

I could go on a lot.

What value did you get from your game?  Entertainment, escape, camaraderie, stress relief?  Is that worth more than $69.95?  Is that maybe why they spend so much time and effort making them, and then only charge that?  That and the fact that they make a profit because everyone knows about their product, believes it works, and wants what it provides?  I suspect I could lower my prices too, if I was selling millions or billions of copies of each title each year.

Hopefully this makes sense as an answer to your response.

[Shannon]

Shannon,

Can you clarify something about energy and attracting similar energy (manifestation)

For example if person A is always angry, then it means he generates aura of anger, which therefore attracts to him experiences and events that lead to anger. Is this understanding is correct?

Always being angry focuses you into a negative state which results in projecting negative energy, and that energy will include anger, but an "aura of anger" may not be the appropriate way to describe it.  However, the more you focus on anger, the more you experience and encourage anger, and the more you will resonate at the frequency of anger, which will tend to result in attracting anger, and more circumstances to respond to with anger.

If it is, then in the case of DMSI when we use the program, it should take us to events and experiences that lead to sex. Correct?

It should, if you execute it enough to achieve those results.

What I am trying to say, is the user responsibile for placing himself physically in events that lead to achieve DMSI goals. Or simply by having a sexual aura around us, the events and experiences should come to us?

The goal of DMSI is to adjust your natural energy field such that you become extremely sexully attractive to others, and especially those you want to have sex with.  It also seeks to manifest both the right people and circumstances for that to happen.  The goal is, the user runs it and has to do nothing but execute subconsciously to achieve the goals of the program.  You don't need to try consciously.

I ask this because if the goal of DMSI is to attract whoever we are attracted to sexually. Then we first need to be in that event, then we can proceed with attracting the said target. Now, does DMSI takes care of that element?

If you execute, yes.

[Shannon]

"E4 is not the same in stand alone form as it is in LTUv6. There are significant differences in how it is built to optimize it's effectiveness as a stand alone. I have said it before and I will say it again, this is an iron fist in a velvet glove. That means it's designed to achieve it's goals without fail, while being firm but not forcible. It will not be something you can use and get away with playing around.

If you use it properly, I am very confident that you will get the results. I tried to make it as comfortable a process as possible, but this is not a program you want to try to use if your real goal is to run a sub to say you're doing something while not actually achieving any results. This program is tuned to levels of power I have never used before. It is a BEAST. Honestly, I was amazed when the build specs came out of the models. I had to keep running the models for three extra days to verify them.

EHPRA v4 stand alone is 5.75.2G like its parent program LTUv6, but it is tuned to an even a higher level of power, and of course it is focused on just this goal. If you use this, be prepared to make progress."

What does Shannon mean by "you want to try to use if your real goal is to run a sub to say you're doing something while not actually achieving any results"?

Also what's the difference between 5.75g and 5.75.2g?

Shannon means... if you're using the program to "say" you are trying to get the results, but really you just want an excuse to stagnate while using the program... it won't work.  Sometimes, people will do that; occasionally, they even do it with conscious knowledge and intent.

The difference between 5.75G and 5.75.2G is that 5.75.2G is built using Platinum Lake and includes the breakthrough I came up with after figuring out Platinum Lake.  But the programs are not going to all be given a designation of .1, .2, .3, etc. at the end.  Most likely they'll be just labeled 5.75G.

That final .x is how many breakthroughs are present after 5.75G was stabilized.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my analogy here is that this new 5.75.2g is stopping the "not doing anything" because I am using a sub. For instance I used Alpha Male 6 before and instead of me going out and achieving my goals I instead play video games and say to my self it's ok to waste time because I am listening to AM6 subs?

I feel like I am in this state right now in using the E1 5g sub for two months now. I have felt some internal feelings of changes in the first month but lately around the 2nd and now going on my 3rd month, I feel I am stagnating. I increased my usage already from 9 hours per day to 12 hours per day but still not much improvement.

The whole reason why I didn't stop developing subliminal technology back in 2012 at 5G is because people used Stop Smoking or AM6 and had results like you describe.  Not all of them, not even the majority, but enough to make me dissatisfied with it.  5.5, and even more 5.75, and even more 5.75.x, overcomes those responses because I better and better understand what is causing them and how to change the response.

If you want to keep using E1, then I suggest you keep increasing your hours of exposure until you're getting better results.  Otherwise, there is E4, which is orders of magnitude more powerful and capable, and it will be able to get you past that during your as-instructed run, or we'll refund you.

[Shannon]

@Shannon  I may finally be executing. Still early days but if you read my latest journal entry I could be and wow if I am!!!
(Also Josh is waiting on a reply on my thread from you lol)

Is it okay to use painkillers for the headaches if indeed they are due to the subs?

thanks

I'll get to your thread as soon as I finish answering these.

You can use painkillers, but I suggest that you avoid any painkillers that make you unable to execute.  For example, too spacey, too tired, too out of it, to accomplish the program's goal.

[Shannon]

Does UMS mean Ultimate Money/Monetary Success?  I  got the V1 and it worked very well. Is the second one going to be set up as a six stage with $600 price?  

Phew, that will put the money making sub out of reach for a lot of folks!!

I hope the next version of the money sub would be close to reach for many who need it.

Pro tip: use the first version to get enough money for the second version. Haha. 

Honestly I’m just glad it’s at 600 to begin with. I was fully expecting it to be double or triple the amount.

 Brilliant!!  That statement...yup.."use UMS1" to get UMS v2. Gold!! Love it. ding ding! bonus round!!

I know some folks are excited about possiblities and willing to pay the price. Shannon said he is doing this way because some people did not feel the V1. 

From an outsider's perspective imagine this, V1 bought for $114, didnt work, better version available at $600 would you buy it?

If I saw that significant amounts of others were getting results that allowed them to make a significant profit on buying V1, and it didn't work for me, and then I had the option of getting a refund on what didn't work and applying it towards a newer, better, more capable version designed to correct why it didn't work for me that - as part of that design - made it more expensive, but I had the option of buying it one stage at a time and getting a refund if it didn't work?  I would be in favor of getting the new version, but I might watch how others responded first.

Plus as someone else said, it is also a question of perceived value. 

I fully agree with the idea of saving money to buy what you cannot afford.That is the best way to do it. No argument there. Let's wait and watch how the story unfolds.

Obviously the producer is free to name his price and the ones who are willing to pay will buy it.

That wouldn't work if people were not willing to buy it.  If I was to name my price, you can rest assured that the majority here could not afford it.  I would be selling to millionaires and billionaires only.  That's why I use the models to determine where the best balance of price to perceived value is, which gives the customer the best bang for the buck and me the most profits.  Profits only result if people are willing to buy, and people are often only willing to buy if someone else reports a positive result.  Which is part of why we have the forum.

[Shannon]

Please add MLS in ums2. Accelerating Learning is always needed for doing big in life.

Please put suggestions for UMS v2 in the appropriate thread, or they will not be accessible when I am ready to build.