04-19-2015, 02:35 AM
Quote:Guilt is a feeling that lets us know we did something against our morals and to not to it again. You do something f'd up and you feel guilty for it, that's a very good thing, but that doesn't mean it can't be bad too and hold people back from their potential, that's why I said there needs to be a balance and not complete destruction of it.
Guilt is a very useful tool for controlling and manipulating people, and getting them to self control and manipulate. It's so powerful and effective that if you infect someone with this disease, they will even go so far as to self destruct under a number of circumstances as a result, literally or figuratively. It is not a natural state of being, but is always learned. And it is very damaging to people mentally and emotionally even when they do not self destruct over it. Those who would "benefit" from guilt the way you talk about are usually the ones who don't feel it, because they have little to no connection to their emotions. The rest are immature, lacking in self control and are not thinking. Even then, guilt is damaging to those who are affected by it. By destroying guilt, you are freeing yourself from an emotional and mental toxin that builds up in your system and poisons you, and you are thereafter responsible for thinking and growing up. Those who feel no guilt still have the capacity to know right from wrong, and those who do not would not feel guilt anyway. "Balanced guilt" is crazy thinking, because you cannot balance it. It is always limiting and destructive, even if that is not always outwardly obvious.
Quote:Fear is good because it lets you know when to be cautious and think more if you should do something or not for a simple broad example, and it can be bad if it's holding you back like if you want to be an actor and you're too scared to audition, then fear is bad, there needs to be a balance.
Fear as your guide to knowing when to be cautious is an amusing, but very bad argument. It is based on the presupposition that without fear, a person has no other way of staying safe. If I have no fear of heights, am I going to go walk a tightrope at 20 stories up without a pole and a net and a safety harness? No. Why? Because I have a functional brain that tells me that I don't have the skill to do that, and because I know that if I lose my balance I fall, I can rationally deduce that losing my balance from a height is progressively worse as I go higher and higher. Common sense and logic are the replacements for fear, which only keeps people safe who cannot, will not or do not think. Fear is a negative emotional and mental state that is extremely effective for manipulating and controlling people, and we evolved past "fear good because keep me safe from lion!" forever ago. Fear, like guilt, is one of those states in which people can do things that result in their self destruction, and the destruction of others. Fear is also accumulative, like guilt. It also acts as an emotional and mental toxin and it frequently destroys people's lives. It is worse than guilt because it is not just accumulative, but can also be self perpetuating, self preserving and self multiplying. It also cannot be balanced, but must be removed because it is self perpetuating, self regenerating and self multiplying.
Quote:Shame is good because like guilt it lets you know you did something against your morals like if you do some sneaky crap, or who knows what, and you feel shame for it, that's a good thing, but you can also frame shame in negative light, it goes both ways that's why there needs to be a balance, and to me complete destruction of guilt, shame and fear is a bad thing, we have those emotions for a good reason so they need to be there, but we also need to be able to move passed those emotions when they're holding us back, so for me personally I would never in a million years want to rid myself completely of guilt, shame, and fear ever. But that's just me.
Shame is, like guilt and fear, a mechanism for manipulation and control. It is like the other two an emotional state and therefore irrational. Like the other two, it is accumulative, and like the other two, it is a damaging and toxic negative emotional state. If you know what your morals are you don't need shame to tell you. Your argument assumes that morals are a passing thought, and not what they actually are, which is a set of beliefs that you hold as to what is right and wrong to do. If you need guilt, shame or fear to maintain your morals, then they aren't your morals - they're lies you tell yourself are your morals. Anyone who actually believes a set of morals is going to follow those morals quite naturally without, because they believe and know that for them, that set of morals is the right thing to do.
My morals tell me that breaking a dog's leg is wrong. Do you think I need guilt, shame or fear to prevent me from breaking a dog's leg? No. Am I just dying to do it, but too afraid of getting caught? No. Am I worried about feeling ashamed of myself for doing such a terrible thing? No, because I am not going to do it. Shame, by the way, is usually reserved as an after-the-fact punishment, and it is always inflicted by someone else based on what they told you, that you accepted as true. You never say, "Oh, I'm so ashamed for having walked through the mall naked!" without having actually done it. And guilt is also an after-the-fact. You don't feel guilty for breaking a dog's leg when you didn't break it, do you. No, you might feel guilty after breaking the dog's leg, but you have to break it first for that to happen.
I don't need any of these to know that it is wrong to break a dog's leg, or prevent myself from doing so. Neither do I need them to preserve, uphold or protect any of my other ethical or moral beliefs, because I genuinely accept those beliefs as being true and I LIVE them. They are my baseline for my choices and actions. They are me, and they exist without any negative emotional toxins, or emotional, irrational manipulation or control because I THINK. I have a brain and I use it. I understand that a dog feels pain just like I do, and that doing harm to others, be they human or animal, is not a good thing unless we come down to a question of survival. Will I kill a fish to eat and survive? Yes. Will I go fishing because it's fun, and then throw back the fish? No, because I know that it causes the fish pain and I cannot enjoy harming a fish "for fun". No guilt, shame or fear necessary!
We have those emotions because someone taught us to have them. They are learned responses, and they are and always will be negative, toxic and damaging. You are better off without them, and if you don't want to end up free of them, I suggest you won't want to keep using my subs, because the destruction of guilt, shame and fear has been shown through my research and experiments (and my own personal experiences and observations) to be so healing and good for people that I am putting that in almost everything now. It always does good to free yourself of those emotional toxins. Anyone who says otherwise isn't really aware of what they are, how they work, or what a human being is truly actually capable of when they use their brains and actually have morals instead of just paying the concept lip service.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!