Subliminal Talk

I think Shannon was speaking more solely on a sexually-compatible idea of frequency. He specifically uses the terminology "attract the most sexually attractive person possible", meaning your subconscious' idea of the perfect most sexually compatible partner in every feasible way.

This is one of the reasons why I'm out on the DMSI train. I actually don't want just sex. I'd much rather slowly get to know a woman over an extended period of time, let the tension, emotion, and overall bond grow, and then when sex finally comes, I'm hopeful it will be that much better.

My first sexual experience came while blooming from DMSI and also running AM's refresher stage. I was seriously unatttracted to the girl, met her on tinder, had about two drinks with her in the span of an hour before taking her back to my place. Not only was the sex really not that great, but I felt really fucked up and emotionally scarred inside from doing it. Looking back on it, it was actually a negative experience in my life, and not really the slightest bit positive.

If you really seem to be attracted to your HD--which seems to be the case, since it's been almost an entire year and you haven't moved on from her just yet--then DMSI will eventually win out. But AM6 and either SM or WM I'm assuming could have the same desired effect.

I'm planning on returning to subs very shortly and will be running the AM refresher stage with the express intention of running WM directly after. A lot of my life worries, doubts and fears have been oozing away from me with the help of alternative forms of therapy, and now I'd like to finally become that social magnetic playboy that I've always dreamed about. DMSI won't help me with that--it just makes you physically and sexually irresistibly attractive, in particular to the type of woman--both personality wise, attractiveness wise, and sexuality-wise (think dom/sub or fetishes and such)--that you are the most sexually compatible with. It could be that your HD fits with your physical standards of attraction, but sexually, subconsciously, she's not compatible. Maybe she's got a hidden fetish, or is more naturally submissive/dominant than you'd like. Your subconscious picked up on this and the anti-sniper is now driving her away, or at least positioning her in a state of flux, where you want her, and are creating on and off again feelings of attraction in her, but you can't seem to get over that hump with her yet because you're not completely compatible.

On DMSI, I noticed I became more sexually attractive, in the mirror I could see myself becoming more good looking, but it was in an almsot boy-bandish effeminte way. I noticed that the girls that smiled at me, stared at me, or said "hi" to me as I passed by them on the street wore aggressive styles of makeup. They seemed more aggressive and dominant. I'm much more "submissive" when it comes to sex--I like an aggressive woman who chases the man, I like sexualy aggressive "tigress" types of women who lust after me. But most women in the two cities I've lived in who are physically attractive to me are younger women living in NYC or LA--two of the most vapid, elite places in the world--so most girls my age who I'd be attracted to want "lions" or "alpha males".

I know I'm kind of going off on a tangent here--but I don't think DMSI is desined to get you your "soul mate"--far from that, in fact. It's designed to get you the girl you're most sexually compatible with, at the most raw, primal, carnal level. I think a "soul mate" is more about a woman you bond with just as strongly sexually as you do emotionally. That's exactly what I'm after in my life right now, and I think AM6 and something like WM may do that trick exponentially better than something like DMSI, which, as Mat stated, is purely designed for raw, carnal, sexual attraction.

Did some D2D thios morning. Went to some houses I set appointments for to chat with the peoiple there and see how we could improve things for them.

The one guy was obviously not interested. Very depressed seeming, I felt sorry for him, but I'm not a psychologist and didn't want to take on his problems.

The other guy was happy to see me but told me that the sales guy never showed up! I was outraged. I called my supervisor and left a message but he hasn't got back to me. Not sure what the f*ck is going on.

I'm going to keep going back to houses I've been to this year to see if I can make sense of what happened this year.

EDIT: ION went and got my teeth cleaned. The girl was a cute arabic chick. TYalked a bit, I made her laugh, mostly silendce tho. I forgot to go into the golden small talk topics (relationships, travel, or hobbies). Have to remember to do that.

I hope to go approaching today but I'm busy doing house work. We'll see.

I go to the gym later tho.

Getting stronger.

Shit, I didn't see this till now. My bad Kalmah!

First let me say thanks for stopping by and offering your viewpoint. I really appreciate it.

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Shannon was speaking more solely on a sexually-compatible idea of frequency. He specifically uses the terminology "attract the most sexually attractive person possible", meaning your subconscious' idea of the perfect most sexually compatible partner in every feasible way.

This is one of the reasons why I'm out on the DMSI train. I actually don't want just sex. I'd much rather slowly get to know a woman over an extended period of time, let the tension, emotion, and overall bond grow, and then when sex finally comes, I'm hopeful it will be that much better.

I hear you. I'm more of a "friends with benefits" guy. I want the friend/bond/relationship/chemistry part, but I also want the relationship to primarily be about sex.

I have no interest in one night stands. I'd do it if the girl was hot and didn't repulse me (like the one at the bar I wrote about) but I do rather have a girl I can enjoy her company too. Like my hairdresser

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]My first sexual experience came while blooming from DMSI and also running AM's refresher stage. I was seriously unatttracted to the girl, met her on tinder, had about two drinks with her in the span of an hour before taking her back to my place. Not only was the sex really not that great, but I felt really ***** up and emotionally scarred inside from doing it. Looking back on it, it was actually a negative experience in my life, and not really the slightest bit positive.

That sucks man. But if DMSI is working, I don't see how you could get with a girl who is unattractive to you. So you got with her on your own. Kudos. #SilverLining

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]If you really seem to be attracted to your HD--which seems to be the case, since it's been almost an entire year and you haven't moved on from her just yet--then DMSI will eventually win out. But AM6 and either SM or WM I'm assuming could have the same desired effect.

Yeah maybe. I hope so. I really like her, she seems to like me, she's got hang ups about our age as far as I can tell, that and her 2 kids are living with her again so logistics are impossible.

It's not oneitis I don't think because it's not like I'm ignoring all other women (I'm trying my best to get more plates spinning lol). But I just believe you can't and shouldn't abandon a good thing. It's not like she's just taking my money (always gives me a discount, and recently gave me an even bigger one because she kept me waiting. So she's not treating me badly).

She's at least open to my touch and touches me (though the crazy ioi's are gone).

All that's left is us getting together which seems to be the real issue. I know guys would say "Bro, she's not interested, move on!" but I'm not losing anything by getting my hair cut by her and flirting.

I would like something physical though. This last month I REALLY been missing her kisses which I remember (thanks DMSI 3.0.1a for that, and Shannon of course! Got me my first makeouts! )

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm planning on returning to subs very shortly and will be running the AM refresher stage with the express intention of running WM directly after. A lot of my life worries, doubts and fears have been oozing away from me with the help of alternative forms of therapy, and now I'd like to finally become that social magnetic playboy that I've always dreamed about.

Dude, this is GREAT news! Congrats!

If it's not too personal, what therapies have you tried? Which gave you the best results?

I myself have gone to over 10 therapists in my life and none of them really helped, but one of them I really liked. She was very "No BS" with me and I responded well.

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]DMSI won't help me with that--it just makes you physically and sexually irresistibly attractive, in particular to the type of woman--both personality wise, attractiveness wise, and sexuality-wise (think dom/sub or fetishes and such)--that you are the most sexually compatible with.

I hear you. Thgis is why I think DMSI should have social skills programming.

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that your HD fits with your physical standards of attraction, but sexually, subconsciously, she's not compatible. Maybe she's got a hidden fetish, or is more naturally submissive/dominant than you'd like. Your subconscious picked up on this and the anti-sniper is now driving her away, or at least positioning her in a state of flux, where you want her, and are creating on and off again feelings of attraction in her, but you can't seem to get over that hump with her yet because you're not completely compatible.

Maybe, but this just further proves my point that DMSI needs to relax on the anti-sniper. Most people have sex with people and then discover they aren't compatible and move on. If DMSI does this for us, it's robbing us of valuable experiences. Besides, you can't know what you like till you try.

I doubt my HD is a serial killer, so if she is being anti-sniped, there's no good reason for it, imo.

(11-08-2017, 02:39 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]On DMSI, I noticed I became more sexually attractive, in the mirror I could see myself becoming more good looking, but it was in an almsot boy-bandish effeminte way. I noticed that the girls that smiled at me, stared at me, or said "hi" to me as I passed by them on the street wore aggressive styles of makeup. They seemed more aggressive and dominant. I'm much more "submissive" when it comes to sex--I like an aggressive woman who chases the man, I like sexualy aggressive "tigress" types of women who lust after me. But most women in the two cities I've lived in who are physically attractive to me are younger women living in NYC or LA--two of the most vapid, elite places in the world--so most girls my age who I'd be attracted to want "lions" or "alpha males".

I know I'm kind of going off on a tangent here--but I don't think DMSI is desined to get you your "soul mate"--far from that, in fact. It's designed to get you the girl you're most sexually compatible with, at the most raw, primal, carnal level. I think a "soul mate" is more about a woman you bond with just as strongly sexually as you do emotionally. That's exactly what I'm after in my life right now, and I think AM6 and something like WM may do that trick exponentially better than something like DMSI, which, as Mat stated, is purely designed for raw, carnal, sexual attraction.

I hear you. It sucks that you don't have the kinds of girls you want where you live, or at least, when on DMSI, you noticed this fact.

IF DMSI is designed to get you the girl your most sexually compatible with, it's just as bad (IMO) because (as you found) maybe there aren't enough of the girls you click with around you. Maybe (in my case?) there aren't enough of them in the WORLD, so what I'd like is a sub to let me grow as a person, and experience all kinds of girls. DMSI was supposed to get me the girls I find attractive. ME, the girls I want. What's the point if it doesn't accomplish this?

With my HD, we have fun, we make each other laugh, good vibes are had by all. What's wrong with that? Is it perfect? No. Will I marry her? No. But could we have fun with each other? Yes. So why not?

IMO, DMSI may be removing the "why not?" possibility, which is wrong on so many levels.

So maybe it's not "soul-mate or bust" but it may be "perfect/most-compatible or bust" which is just as bad. IMO

Almost done reading "Way of the Wolf".

Jordan Belfort is becoming my favorite Self-help guy. He really knows his shit and it works when you use it.

I'm trying to find where I'm going wrong in regards to sales and my performance this year and it's too difficult to say right now. As always, the only way to get clarity is to test things out in the field.

I will say this: the idea of ethics and only using the persuasion power to persuade people to do things they SHOULD do (as opposed to getting them to do things just so that I benefit) has been a major factor this year. Even in regards to women. I constantly wonder "Am I the best man for this woman?" and I can never produce an answer because I don't know what makes a good man. I wish there were some good resources for that. Maybe Jordan Belfort will make a "How to be a good man, husband, and father" book, but I doubt it.

There's a saying in the medical profession: Do no harm.

I like to think I try to live by that as best I can. I'd rather not have a girl than have one and f*ck things up. But maybe that's too idealistic. I dunno.

Lately I've been hitting on a pretty strong belief I have, which is basically that for me to be happy/successful/rich/good with women/whatever, other people must NOT be.

As if there's no possibility of us both getting what we want.

Just something I'm noticing atm.

Did some D2D this morning. Only talked to one guy. I was SO nervous and timid. I felt like shit. All my confidence I gained from doing sales and overcoming my fears is gone right now. It feels like I'm cowering in a corner of my own mind.

This belief of "Women only like me, go out with me, etc to be nice" is surfacing. It's a strong one.

Also in sales "people only set apps with me because they like me, not because they actually want what I'm selling"

So, in effect, I'm trying to get women to want me and people to want to buy from me without liking me. It's almost like people liking me isn't a valid reason for them to want to buy or be attracted to me, or them being nice isn't valid.

I think that has really undermined my confidence (and results) this year. I remember back when chaos was around how he'd say the same thing, that women were only "attracted" to me because they felt pity for me and were being nice. Since then, I've tried to be different and, magically, attraction is less. Same with in sales, my one co-worker said people only set apps with me because they liked me, as if it wasn't a valid reason, but perhaps it IS the reason. The only reason that matters.

My mom and grandparents are the same way. So is my cousin. They've always belittled me in the same way.

Interesting...But if this can reassures you, women D'ONT go out with someone out of pity.
I'm not expert but I'm sure experienced guys here will reiterate.
Women doing stuff with you just because you begged them enough only happen in the dream world.
So I highly doubt they are nice with you because of pity or for a similar reason.

And what's wrong with people acting nice just because they like you ? The world is as superficial than that, and it makes sense.

(11-11-2017, 01:48 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting...But if this can reassures you, women D'ONT go out with someone out of pity.
I'm not expert but I'm sure experienced guys here will reiterate.

Yeah that's what Shannon said once, but he seemed to join chaos when chaos brought it up.

(11-11-2017, 01:48 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Women doing stuff with you just because you begged them enough only happen in the dream world.

I've never begged for anything. Let's make that clear.

(11-11-2017, 01:48 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]So I highly doubt they are nice with you because of pity or for a similar reason.

And what's wrong with people acting nice just because they like you ? The world is as superficial than that, and it makes sense.

Yeah I agree.

Today I went out approaching. Did one. It went pretty good. Got a very hesitant BF objection from her. That's fine, it's part of approaching.

Cool thing was, just before, as I was walking around in the mall, there was a girl and a guy sitting down. The girl looked at me and smiled. I felt like a million bucks and immediately improved my posture and swagger. I could see the guy looking at me out of the corner of my eye.

Hi Sarge,

If you were working on the goal to be extremely attractive to beautiful women and the girl gave you the smile, you would have felt extremely attractive and that would have reinforced the belief and brought you closer to living a reality where you are extremely attractive to beautiful women. Read on why.

I have a simple advice for you. Here's what cory skyy did. When he was younger he wanted to be great with women. He wrote on a piece of paper what he wanted to become. Sexy, hot, attractive & irresistible. Then he took action. By taking action, he reinforced his goal in his mind. So my advice to you is to, write down the goal. In your case you want to either be extremely attractive to beautiful women or amazing with beautiful women. Then write down on a piece paper the 2-4 qualities you want such irresistible, sexual, etc...and do affOrmation. Write down and/say for 5 to 15 minutes daily why am I extremely attractive to women ? Find some answers. Also do mirror affirmations ( say the goal ) or a story in front of the mirror and say how things go down because you are extremely attractive. Then take massive action such as working out, taking care of yourself, talking with women in general, etc...do anything that will bring you closer to your goal. Also, and this is extremely important, by taking action you are reinforcing the goal in your mind which when it is reinforced enough, the new belief that you are extremely attractive will become part of your reality. Women will tell you you are, you'll attract them, they will like you, etc...
You also need a better life to be attractive to most beautiful women. Get a very attractive social life, handle you finances, get an amazing body and most women will drop everything, including their husband, to be with you ! You'll be so attractive you'll have no competition because most men don't have the mindset you have.

Subliminals are not always enough. I used aura of sexiness and still didnt have women in my life because other parts of me were unattractive. You have to handle that yourself. You are growing older and you cant wait forever for Shannon to create all the subs you need because based how long it's taking him to create subs most of us are not even going to use, he's going to take a long time before he creates the " magic pill ". You have power so exude it strongly !

Here's how to write doen the goal :
DATING GOALS & DREAM
1) I am extremely attractive to beautiful women

Here are some benefits of doing the goals and techniques :
- You will believe you are a success
- You will develop a success consciousness which will attract success to you
- You will feel attractive
-You will be present
- You will be goal oriented
- You feel powerful

Enjoy this technique. Let us know how much you've changed.

Oops I sent the messsage twice. Forget this message !

No worries Ray!

Thanks for stopping by, btw.

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Sarge,

If you were working on the goal to be extremely attractive to beautiful women and the girl gave you the smile, you would have felt extremely attractive and that would have reinforced the belief and brought you closer to living a reality where you are extremely attractive to beautiful women. Read on why.

I have a simple advice for you. Here's what cory skyy did. When he was younger he wanted to be great with women. He wrote on a piece of paper what he wanted to become. Sexy, hot, attractive & irresistible. Then he took action. By taking action, he reinforced his goal in his mind. So my advice to you is to, write down the goal. In your case you want to either be extremely attractive to beautiful women or amazing with beautiful women. Then write down on a piece paper the 2-4 qualities you want such irresistible, sexual, etc...and do affOrmation. Write down and/say for 5 to 15 minutes daily why am I extremely attractive to women ? Find some answers. Also do mirror affirmations ( say the goal ) or a story in front of the mirror and say how things go down because you are extremely attractive.

Yeah maybe I'll give that a try, however:

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]Then take massive action such as working out

Already do that

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ], taking care of yourself,

Already do that

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]talking with women in general, etc

Already do that.

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]Get a very attractive social life, handle you finances, get an amazing body and most women will drop everything, including their husband, to be with you ! You'll be so attractive you'll have no competition because most men don't have the mindset you have.

Yeah this is definitely my main focus (aside from sales) atm: social life/skills.

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]Subliminals are not always enough. I used aura of sexiness and still didnt have women in my life because other parts of me were unattractive. You have to handle that yourself.

I am handling things. Why does everyone think I'm not? Am I not approaching women? Am I not working on my social skills? Am I not, like, the ONLY user on here that advocates actually working for what you want instead of just "setting and forgetting" the subs?

Am I sending out the wrong signals here?

What makes you think I'm not doing all of this?

(11-12-2017, 05:50 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]You are growing older and you cant wait forever for Shannon to create all the subs you need because based how long it's taking him to create subs most of us are not even going to use, he's going to take a long time before he creates the " magic pill ". You have power so exude it strongly !

Here's how to write down the goal :
DATING GOALS & DREAM
1) I am extremely attractive to beautiful women

Here are some benefits of doing the goals and techniques :
- You will believe you are a success
- You will develop a success consciousness which will attract success to you
- You will feel attractive
-You will be present
- You will be goal oriented
- You feel powerful

Enjoy this technique. Let us know how much you've changed.

I'm using another technique atm dude, but I appreciate the intent. I know your heart is in the right place. Peace.

Hi Sarge,

I removed my first message to you above because I thought you wouldn't want to apply it but seeing the fact that you liked my other post I believe you will apply it so I put it back.

UPDATE : Ah, you read it okay sorry about this message then.