Subliminal Talk

Post more shit like this man,make them hate on you further haha.

Go ahead and bang her in all holes man and let us know.

I am for one am definitely interested in how far u take it with her.

U can't let other people's morals, values and ethics dictate your life!

Good job man and keep posting!

Cool story, props for posting it even though you knew the amount of comments you're getting. To me, it looks like the whole thing was so sexual, and the cheating component was so obvious, that there really shouldn't be any need to tell her that's its (just) about sex - especially given how you two had not been courting before. As far as morals go, if it were me I'd be thinking its going to be such a shame if a long friendship gets ruined, because those are much much harder to come by than sex (takes 10 years and special circumstances). Sometimes it feels sex is the only thing that matters, but then you'll see everything else such as friendships and family... and then its back to sex, power, success. Just the two sides. But I do understand that the temptation must've been amazingly fierce, since as guys we don't get that sort of thing handed to us. Plus being that horny you're basically intoxicated. Just yesterday I couldn't read a book while alone in my house because I was so horny, so you're not going to be in your normal analytical mind in a situation like this. My current view of morality is that all we can do is take responsibility for what we do/want, and be honest. In this case being honest is probably not the way to go, but you'll be tested for taking responsibility later on if it comes out. Nobody's perfect. Just gotta take the situation as it is, and do what you need/want to do.

Hey Chaos, the fallacy in your latest post is that you'll hurt women if you use products to get an extra edge. Hot girls are all about "all means necessary". Make up, lipstick, hair extensions, tight skirts and sexy ass stilettos.

In my experience, girls don't usually get hurt if I fuck em and dump em. They can already see it coming. Women are more intutive than guys, what is subtle to the average guy is blatant to a girl. They usually know what's going on, but they don't know how to communicate it. Even their crying is just a method, it's not real.

When I tell them I have no intentions of staying in the city for long, they act like they don't get it, but they do. On the rare occasion they even cheer me on. Girls constantly call me a player, womanizer etc with admiration. The rational women I know, try to analyze me. It's not totally accurate, but they usually know their shit. Hot women are powerful beings, they will play the game just as hard as I do.

As for your friends gf, she needs to take most of the responsibility because she tried to seduce you. Regardless of AOSI, that's the reality of the situation. What you did, I would never had done unless seriously provoked. That's not morality, I'm saying this because my few close friends are like brothers to me, maybe that's different for you. Before religion, everybody was fucking everybody so to me, sex has nothing to do with it.

I don't believe in karma, but you should watch out as life will punish the shameful.

Sickologist Wrote:As for your friends gf, she needs to take most of the responsibility because she tried to seduce you. Regardless of AOSI, that's the reality of the situation. What you did, I would never had done unless seriously provoked. That's not morality, I'm saying this because my few close friends are like brothers to me, maybe that's different for you. Before religion, everybody was ***** everybody so to me, sex has nothing to do with it.

I don't believe in karma, but you should watch out as life will punish the shameful.

Yeah this is about where I'm at as far as the situation goes. In essence, when two people decide to have sex the act itself is always 50-50 (otherwise it's rape) however the context and details leading up to the act are a huge factor in many cases. For example, if I had a GF tell me she had sex with a dude because she got somewhat inebriated and caught up in the moment I’d be more inclined to forgive her (not saying I would, but it makes the situation more understandable). In a situation where she was not intoxicated in any shape or fashion (such as this) it would be an immediate breakup.

I personally couldn’t bring myself to sleep with the current gf of a close friend (a past gf is harder for me to speak on) especially since some of the guys I’m cool with I’ve been friends with since I was 12. I am happy that you’ve trusted the forum enough to be as forthcoming with your experiences because it is definitely beneficial for the community to see this stuff. Just be careful CV, protect yourself cause we don't know how this situation is going to go at this point. But since what’s done is done I have some questions for CV (chaosvrgn).

In some of these interactions, it seems to me that some of these women are coming onto you in such a blatant fashion that even with a low level of experience in body language an individual would pick up on this stuff. How much of your own success do you believe is attributable to your own prior experience and expertise in body language?

Also, you mentioned that you have a habit of smiling and saying hi to most of the beautiful women you see when out and about. I’ve been doing this as well and I was intrigued when you stated elsewhere that you’ve actually been getting better reactions from women when you’ve done this. Could you elaborate a little more on this?

In addition, as a fellow African American does the type of food you consume affect your aura? I love myself some fried chicken too (don’t judge me guys) but I wouldn’t want to have to eat fried chicken in order to power up although that would be f*cking hilarious!

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]... but I wouldn’t want to have to eat fried chicken in order to power up although that would be f*cking hilarious!

Popeye used tins of spinach to power-up. AOSI users carry a bucket of fried chicken!

I've been in that situation 2 times. I didn't take it either of those times. First time it happened the blame fell on me, the guy actually believed his girlfriend. We haven't spoken since, but ran into each other a couple of times. Awkward lol. He knows he was wrong. If the truth comes out in Chaos' situation, we'll see who the biggest assholes really are.

The other time was with my best friends girl, he's like the embodiement of loyalty. It was the hardest conversation I've ever had, but he believed me instantly and told the girl to fuck off. It was my obligation to tell him because I love him like family. I know this guy likes being in relationships, we've had these discussions before but that's what he prefers. As a friend, I respect that. I'm more liberal in that sense. We both have a hard shell and the lethal sting, which is a bond most people wouldn't even begin to understand.

Loyalty is a big deal for me as I've been stabbed in the back so many times. It's also because I lost a good friend to cancer when we went to elementary school. That was extremely hard for me to deal with, he was the sweetest kid. So while I'm very independent, people who disrespect my friends are my enemies.

(06-19-2016, 01:12 PM)Coma_Black Wrote: [ -> ]Bro. Look at you try to justify it. "But your morality exists only to benefit yourself." So your morality is alright with lying and deceiving. Your morality is fine with betraying a friend.

If lying is alright with your morality and so it betrayal what exactly is your morality based on? Betterment of humanity or some BS like that? Come on.

I don't have to "justify" anything. "Justification" insinuates that I have to answer to you, or anyone else here on this topic. I don't. I was merely pointing out how the moral compasses of some people here are just as twisted as mine allegedly is.

You're using the classic rhetorical tactic of: "If just ignore 90% of his argument and focus on a particular 10%, my opponent and everyone else will forget that he made some valid points that I can't address."

Sorry, bro. It's realz before feelz in this journal, and I'm going to keep shoving that sh*t down your throat until you realize you love me, or Shannon / Ben makes us stop.

In my previous post, I asked a number of thought-provoking questions about the nature of morality. If you took the time to dwell on them, you'd gain the ability to better explore this situation -- and thus, yourself -- because you're now equipped with an intellectual richness that goes beyond a kneejerk reaction out of fear. Because that's what this all comes down to.

Fear. The loss of agency. The loss of power.

In my six-figure income days, I donated close to $15k/year to domestic violence charities and I sponsored the education of a child from a third world country. This past weekend, I also enjoyed tasting the sweetness of my friend's girlfriend. How does that affect your judgment of me? How does that INFORM your morality? Am I taking away from the sum of the universe or adding to it?

I'll put it as simple as this: Your vitriolic condemnation means absolutely nothing to me. Will not affect my life in the slightest. I have no use whatsoever for: "oh my gawdz chaosvrgn u is teh evil one cuz u porked her!!!!11" I'll simply cast those opinions aside and pretend they don't even exist.

Your INSIGHTS, however, are useful to both myself and the community. And THAT'S why I posted the story in the first place. So please, do come back with something more insightful. Use RTBoss, Sickologist, Ivaylo and K-Train's posts as a reference. Notice how they disagree with what I did, but they're addressing it in a larger context than just, "you should feel bad because of reasons."

BUT, to answer your question about my morality. I'm a bit of a Byronic hero. I do what benefits myself the most. I spend the majority of my time discovering and pursuing the things that would make me feel good. For the most part, I try and succeed at minimizing any collateral damage, but sometimes, shit happens.

Here's what I felt in that situation: Before me was a very attractive woman inviting me to engage with her in a primal act of lust. And I decided that what I wanted the most was to HAVE HER, at least for that moment. And so, I willingly surrendered myself to passion and did it.

And what you're telling me is that I'm wrong for this because I offended your fragile, inconsistent, broken sense of morality? Where, "betrayal of a friend" is much worse than considering all women "b*ches" that don't deserve consideration?

Chaos, how much of your sexual encounter with her do you credit to previous buildup, how much do you credit to yourself and how much is DAOSI responsible for, purely in terms of going from 0 to 60 and achieving sexual intercourse?

(06-19-2016, 02:35 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Chaos, how much of your sexual encounter with her do you credit to previous buildup, how much do you credit to yourself and how much is DAOSI responsible for, purely in terms of going from 0 to 60 and achieving sexual intercourse?

With this particular individual and this encounter, I give DAOSI almost all the credit. I'd say 80% AOSI, 20% myself.

I've known this woman for about 7 years now, and she's never exhibited any kind of attraction for me. I've even exposed her to a number of well-tested pheromone combos (not because I was trying to seduce her, but because we were out for a night on the town) and received no positive signals of attraction. In fact, it was the opposite: When I was wearing a status / sexual blend, she was cracking jokes about me being "rapey," even though I know I was being congruent with the blend -- it was my favorite mix. This insinuated to me that she saw me as lower value than my friend and was congruence checking the vibe I was giving off, and in her eyes, I failed.

Also, looking over my offline (and online journal), I'm starting to realize that this encounter was a concerted, conscious effort of hers. Since I've been running AOSI, she's noticeably changed her demeanor toward me. More inviting, more friendlier, more physical contact. I've noted this throughout both journals. Just remembered that earlier, I posted how after we left the gym a few days ago, she was the one who invited me over to the house. That's NEVER happened before. I believe that cumulative exposure to the AOSI aura is responsible for this. To me, it feels similar to inducing fallout through pheromones.

As for the actual interaction, there was an UNDENIABLE, DRASTIC shift in her attraction towards me after the aura began to project. She went from 0 to 60 in about 45 minutes. This is what I'll credit myself -- I'm very experienced in reading body language and using those cues to quickly polarize the situation toward a sexual nature. But, I can't even take all the credit, because it seems that AOSI enhances that sexual intuition. Less than 20 minutes after I ate, she began throwing clusters of IOIs, starting with grooming, flashing skin and culminating with a blatant crotch shot once we were alone.

I left details of the actual sex act out because it'd be very much NSFW, but I'll say that she was really into what was happening, almost to the point of being lost in a euphoric, pleasure filled trance.

The TL;DR version: Looking back, I thought I was being the active one, but now I realize that I was seduced. The program most certainly has achieved its goals.

Hope that helps.

(06-19-2016, 03:02 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2016, 02:35 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Chaos, how much of your sexual encounter with her do you credit to previous buildup, how much do you credit to yourself and how much is DAOSI responsible for, purely in terms of going from 0 to 60 and achieving sexual intercourse?

With this particular individual and this encounter, I give DAOSI almost all the credit. I'd say 80% AOSI, 20% myself.

I've known this woman for about 7 years now, and she's never exhibited any kind of attraction for me. I've even exposed her to a number of well-tested pheromone combos (not because I was trying to seduce her, but because we were out for a night on the town) and received no positive signals of attraction. In fact, it was the opposite: When I was wearing a status / sexual blend, she was cracking jokes about me being "rapey," even though I know I was being congruent with the blend -- it was my favorite mix. This insinuated to me that she saw me as lower value than my friend and was congruence checking the vibe I was giving off, and in her eyes, I failed.

Also, looking over my offline (and online journal), I'm starting to realize that this encounter was a concerted, conscious effort of hers. Since I've been running AOSI, she's noticeably changed her demeanor toward me. More inviting, more friendlier, more physical contact. I've noted this throughout both journals. Just remembered that earlier, I posted how after we left the gym a few days ago, she was the one who invited me over to the house. That's NEVER happened before. I believe that cumulative exposure to the AOSI aura is responsible for this. To me, it feels similar to inducing fallout through pheromones.

As for the actual interaction, there was an UNDENIABLE, DRASTIC shift in her attraction towards me after the aura began to project. She went from 0 to 60 in about 45 minutes. This is what I'll credit myself -- I'm very experienced in reading body language and using those cues to quickly polarize the situation toward a sexual nature. But, I can't even take all the credit, because it seems that AOSI enhances that sexual intuition. Less than 20 minutes after I ate, she began throwing clusters of IOIs, starting with grooming, flashing skin and culminating with a blatant crotch shot once we were alone.

I left details of the actual sex act out because it'd be very much NSFW, but I'll say that she was really into what was happening, almost to the point of being lost in a euphoric, pleasure filled trance.

The TL;DR version: Looking back, I thought I was being the active one, but now I realize that I was seduced. The program most certainly has achieved its goals.

Hope that helps.

Lol reading this gives me hope for my upcoming date. When I approached her, I was on AM6 stage 4. On our first date, I was still on AM6 stage 4. Let's see if stage 5 / AOSI does its magic when I see her again.

The thing about the ol' Lord is that he was, let's call it "accidental". It's a lost art really, everybody is an overanalyzing geek these days. But I get what you mean.

From the story it is clear to see that AOSI had major impact, I know how that works.

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Just be careful CV, protect yourself cause we don't know how this situation is going to go at this point. But since what’s done is done I have some questions for CV (chaosvrgn).

Will do, man. I'm not TOO worried about it. I'm a devout martial artist, in pretty good shape, and I have a concealed carry permit. I've got the same gun that James Bond originally used, the Walther PPK.

The worst that would happen is that this particular individual would no longer associate with me.

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]In some of these interactions, it seems to me that some of these women are coming onto you in such a blatant fashion that even with a low level of experience in body language an individual would pick up on this stuff. How much of your own success do you believe is attributable to your own prior experience and expertise in body language?

In every situation except this latest one, I would attribute a lot of it to my experience and expertise in body language. I use body language to inform me when to escalate and when to pull away. I recommend that everyone learn how to read body language, especially women's sexual signals. I'll have to disagree with Sickologist on this one. I fully believe that reading body language and using those signals to escalate is an ability that can be acquired with practice (I spent A LOT of time doing it). The three books I recommend is "Undercover Sex Signals", "The Body Language Project. (http://bodylanguageproject.com/buy_the_book.htm)" and "What Every Body is Saying."

I left out some of the fine nuances of the encounter because the report was already very long, but for example, I knew to escalate a bit when I saw her -- within a minute -- start stroking her hair (preening), puckering her lips out in my direction and putting on lip gloss and finally lifting her arms up (exposing her arm pit) to put her hair in a ponytail (exposing her neck). That's a sign, "are you noticing that I'm attracted to you, and do you find me pretty?" Men who ignore those signs and fail to escalate end up in the friendzone, because she assumes you're not attracted, or you just don't get it.

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Also, you mentioned that you have a habit of smiling and saying hi to most of the beautiful women you see when out and about. I’ve been doing this as well and I was intrigued when you stated elsewhere that you’ve actually been getting better reactions from women when you’ve done this. Could you elaborate a little more on this?

Yes, thanks to AOSI. Before, I'd either get completely blown out, or they'd maybe look down with a quick smile (which would insinuate slight attraction at most, but often a shy curiosity). Now I'm getting full blown smiles and gazes into my face, where they'll hold it for a few moments before looking down and smirking (this is submission, escalate when this happens).

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]In addition, as a fellow African American does the type of food you consume affect your aura? I love myself some fried chicken too (don’t judge me guys) but I wouldn’t want to have to eat fried chicken in order to power up although that would be f*cking hilarious!

Yes -- based on my observations, the aura's power IS AFFECTED by the type of food you consume. It seems that carbs send the aura into absolute overdrive. According to my notes, I've felt the strong auric projections AND received the best reactions from women after consuming soft drinks, energy drinks, cakes and alcohol. Pizza and fried chicken did well too. Both are full of carbs from the flour used. I drank one of those "Summer Orange" Red Bulls earlier and the aura projected so fiercely that my chest felt like it was on fire... but in a good way.

Interestingly enough, the baked chicken from the other night had less of a response. However, I was still getting IOIs when I was out and about, so I'm sure the aura is still there. Here's my theory: The heat you feel after consuming food isn't the aura being projected, it's the physical side effect of the energy provided by the food being converted into auric energy. When the heat subsides, it's not that the aura is gone. The aura's still there, but now in an active state as opposed to an "energy conversion" state. If that makes sense.

(06-19-2016, 03:32 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2016, 07:27 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]In addition, as a fellow African American does the type of food you consume affect your aura? I love myself some fried chicken too (don’t judge me guys) but I wouldn’t want to have to eat fried chicken in order to power up although that would be f*cking hilarious!

Yes -- based on my observations, the aura's power IS AFFECTED by the type of food you consume. It seems that carbs send the aura into absolute overdrive. According to my notes, I've felt the strong auric projections AND received the best reactions from women after consuming soft drinks, energy drinks, cakes and alcohol. Pizza and fried chicken did well too. Both are full of carbs from the flour used. I drank one of those "Summer Orange" Red Bulls earlier and the aura projected so fiercely that my chest felt like it was on fire... but in a good way.

Would you also theorize that coffee would give similar results to energy drinks?

Oh, question. What kind of fatigue or sleepiness have you felt, if any, using AOSI 5.5G? Even the 4G predecessors are hitting me surprisingly hard in that regard, whether it's supposed resistance or attempting to power the developing aura or whatever.

I took half a caffeine pill today. Couldn't handle the fatigued feeling anymore, so I broke my rule. I had the craziest body buzz going on, and body heat. I know how caffeine feels, and this was more than that for me.