(07-21-2014, 10:56 AM)zen Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2014, 10:33 AM)spiritman Wrote: [ -> ]I believe Shannon said it himself that it can take up to 2-3 run throughs of the six stages programs to see the full results. Remember every person has different sets of problems, backgrounds and other things that can make it take longer to see the results that are promised with these programs. I have been through all the AM programs but I am just now starting to see the results that are sticking.
Of course everyone is unique and these subs are not customized for everyone's needs/levels of development.
But imagine, SM3 has to give you the edge. It's not so much about inner development (it is supposed to be already handled by running AM run), but about results in the field during this period of time. I am not saying to have the results of AfzalG (his results have a lot to do with his look, his body) but come on ... .
Because of its name, Sex Magnet, it's so easy to get attached to the outcome. If you understand what I mean. Sex Magnet ... .
On the other side, we don't know anything of what Fluffy did - his exposure to the sub and the way he did it, how he actually approached/where/social class etc.etc.etc.
Anyway, I will not continue this contradiction as it is not beneficial.
I understand what you're saying. However, if you feel that SM won't give you the results you're looking for based off of people who have run through it. Who have not gotten any good results, then don't do SM, move onto something that you feel will benefit you. Personally, I am still going to run SM regardless based off of people who are or not getting the results.
I think there's a sex hang up which will fight against a sub designed to get you sex. Perhaps it would have been better if you had done woman magnet first. Get used to being the center of attention to gain confidence or better still use the EPRHA then give SM another try after an AM refresher?
Guilotine : no you dont have to become master pickup to run sm3 to work. if you were master pick up picking up woman already sm3 will for sure make things even easier. But if you werent of course it will be hard for you to see whats going on.
Bottom line woman wont just flock to you when you do nothing... they would if you were in that level already... but when u are at that level... you wouldnt be thinking about this anymore.
idk where u are at the moment but if you will still have to make many mistakes to learn from it .
I didnt run any routine or any pickup stuff. i pretty much did everything spontaneous or my way.
zen :
Yes i ran it over 10 hours plus each day, approaches and confident stuff are not even in my mind. i did both night clubs and also day time just anywhere, i think i stopped daytime later in the stages .. i forgot. pretty much the night club was the nicest ones in the areas . im a university student.
Overall:
pretty much i would say depending on where u are... u still got to end up going through all the process and stages u got to learn and do to get where u want to.... sub is just that extra push for u to do it and gives u that extra edge for u to have great success.
if ur goal is to just get laid nothing else... run sm3 and make sure u do something with it.
I'm wondering if a "state" sub (specifically NSFM) would be better to run than SM at all. I mean, seems like all we're noticing is that you need to do something (which the sub won't do for you), and then be able to be in a good state while doing it. The more I think about it, the more I wonder what SM is even for.
Fluffybunny, how long have you been going out? You didn't get laid before SM3, I presume? With or without SM3, it just sounds very surprising that you had approaching down already and then went out consistently in clubs and doing day game and didn't get laid... no disrespect intended, I'm just thinking there is either some loose variable, or you're just right at the brink of getting it. Did SM3 bring about so much resistance that it kept you from getting results? Do you like going out? Are you showing you're sexual pre/after SM3? Are you going out sober or drunk? Do you live somewhere where loose sex is a big taboo? Are you going out with people who are also doing approaches or with friends that are keeping you from approaching? Do you always stay until the end of the night? Did you get any comments that your eye contact or presence is getting more solid?
(07-21-2014, 04:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm wondering if a "state" sub (specifically NSFM) would be better to run than SM at all. I mean, seems like all we're noticing is that you need to do something (which the sub won't do for you), and then be able to be in a good state while doing it.
It'd be really interesting to have more NSFM diaries for sure to observe just what it does ;) But at least it should be faster-acting and "sure-fire" if you run it for 3+ months. I mean the program is only 30min long and Shannon says it might be enough to run it for 1-4 hours, so 3+ months should bring about the results, period. No 2nd run throughs necessary and I wouldn't expect the amount of resistance were seeing for SM3. I'm still going for SM3, though, but that's just me being a perfectionist and taking the slow road.
(07-21-2014, 04:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about it, the more I wonder what SM is even for.
If you look at the manual, half of the program is 'foundation building' and the other half is manifesting. The manual mentions at least these foundation building aspects:
self confidence, self esteem, self respect, self validation, self control, refusal to be tricked or mistreated sexually, overcoming previous restrictions concerning women and sex, generation of auras, kills neediness, increases sex drive, refusal to have sex with underage girls, escalation de-sensitization, body language effects and eye seduction, detection of, and refusal to have sex with, women who are attempting to manipulate you with sex, trick you into getting them pregnant or have STDs, sexual stamina and self control, “pulling the trigger” resistance removal, effortless socializing and flirting (NSFM?), automatically steering conversations toward sex and escalating to sex in other ways, touch and touch based seduction.
If read some of my reports when i went out . I mentioned that i have been going out sober 95% of the time. Sometimes its friends birthday or something i would drink casually with them.
My friends doesnt do much approach so i usually depart with them and go do my own thing and meet up with them later in the night. They probly do like 1-2 approach / night or sometimes none.
Yah i enjoy dancing a lot... otherwise i would of not gone out to nightclubs if it wasnt for that.
Nah its quite loose here im in north america .
i say 20% of the time we stay till end. most of the time ... 1-2am .
Nah im usually alone when i do things... so people dont really comment.
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(07-21-2014, 11:52 PM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at the manual, half of the program is 'foundation building' and the other half is manifesting. The manual mentions at least these foundation building aspects:
self confidence, self esteem, self respect, self validation, self control, refusal to be tricked or mistreated sexually, overcoming previous restrictions concerning women and sex, generation of auras, kills neediness, increases sex drive, refusal to have sex with underage girls, escalation de-sensitization, body language effects and eye seduction, detection of, and refusal to have sex with, women who are attempting to manipulate you with sex, trick you into getting them pregnant or have STDs, sexual stamina and self control, “pulling the trigger” resistance removal, effortless socializing and flirting (NSFM?), automatically steering conversations toward sex and escalating to sex in other ways, touch and touch based seduction.
Three of those are just common sense tbh:
- Refuse to be tricked= Use your gut/preferences
- Underage girls= Depends on the country I HOPE (not everywhere is 14-17 considered 'underage')
- STDs/Trick into getting them pregnant= CONDOMS, duh
Still, Fluffy Bunny, how do you feel your results were in THOSE areas? Despite not getting laid, has any of that improved for you in a significant way?
As a side note, I think it'd be good if someone composed a more complete list of what SM3 tries to accomplish and then everyone who starts SM3 now could evaluate themselves against that list first at day 1 and then another time after the program. The list would be composed of what's mentioned in the store description and the manual. Maybe a spreadsheet where you can put a numerical 1-10 value for each point, before and after SM3. Or maybe even after each stage. Someone did a similar one for AM already I think? I will do this myself after about a month if no one has already done it by then.
(07-22-2014, 05:24 AM)maniac360 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2014, 02:13 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe even after each stage. Someone did a similar one for AM already I think? I will do this myself after about a month if no one has already done it by then.
I did:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0
Good job, Maniac360. Reviewing this was very enlightening.
Thanks,
Nationwide
(07-22-2014, 02:13 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]As a side note, I think it'd be good if someone composed a more complete list of what SM3 tries to accomplish and then everyone who starts SM3 now could evaluate themselves against that list first at day 1 and then another time after the program. The list would be composed of what's mentioned in the store description and the manual. Maybe a spreadsheet where you can put a numerical 1-10 value for each point, before and after SM3. Or maybe even after each stage. Someone did a similar one for AM already I think? I will do this myself after about a month if no one has already done it by then.
I agree. The one Maniac360 did for AM would be a good model.
Nationwide
I'll just do it sometime this week and open up a new thread.
SM3 has been by far the most amazing subliminal I've done. If I had a choice between NSFM vs. SM, I would choose SM. It's a no-brainer. Plus, NSFM is in SM3.
The amount of personal growth I've gotten these past few months has been amazing and life-changing. I'm still in disbelief that I still have 3 more stages to go. Even in the unlikely event I don't get laid, I still will run SM3 again just because I love it so much.
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Geodude I personally had the same experience with BIATBW. Even though I didn't get any girls chasing me, the personal growth was enough to make a huge difference in my life. Maybe you won't get the "results" now, but in the long term, the foundation these programs are laying will pay off in one way or the other.