Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[4Kingdoms]

@Shannon Holy crap you’re building out the library fast. At this rate none of us are going to have any money except you! :p

Nothing could be truer than what you explained in your own words...

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-OGSF3...#pid267355

@ncbeareatingman Thanks for the kind words again Keith . I really do feel like I’ve won the lottery with Indigo Mind Labs. Probably better than the lottery, since money wouldn’t have improved my mental health like Shannon’s subs have.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon I know, that you have a LOT lot on your plate. with that said and made clear, I was wondering if sometime this year you might create+build a psychic program, third eye, clarvoyant one, something along those lines and theme??? In Autumn maybe?

[Shannon]

UMS v3 does not rely on luck or the module that creates the effect that looks like luck.  121 of the 122 modules in the script have nothing to do with "luck", and that one is only present because it was in the script of USLM when that script was added. 

UMS v3 is, like v2, about finding the best way to achieve ultimate monetary success and then doing that.  "Luck", and the effect that people call "luck", is used as an assist, but what matters is these things:

1. Use it correctly.
2. Do the common sense things that result in Ultimate Monetary Success, which are listed as goals in the script.

I could take the "Luck Magnifier" module out, and you wouldn't have any less success getting to the goal.

I was just curious because I believe the "Luck" portion was a happy side effect of the program that affected other parts of my life, even if they were separate from the main goals of UMS.  I thought it might also help with the passive manifestation aspects of the program.

It's unchanged script wise from UMS v2, aside from 6G scripting upgrades to the meta-script and the skeleton script being upgraded.  So it has the same module as before, and if that worked well for you, it will work much better in 6G.    But I don't want anyone to think the program is based on "luck".  It is anything but.

[Shannon]

Shannon I know, that you have a LOT lot on your plate. with that said and made clear, I was wondering if sometime this year you might create+build a psychic program, third eye, clarvoyant one, something along those lines and theme???  In Autumn maybe?

We shall see.  Right now I'm only considering the next 1-2 programs for build at a time.  First I need to get the core titles out.  Then I can work on that sort of thing.  But... in 6G, between the new production system's 32 core high end super fast processor, it's much faster SSD, the new DAW and the much optimized build techniques in 6G, build time is not a real issue now.  The issue now is developing and optimizing the script. So now, I should be able to publish at least 2 titles a month, and depending on what else I have to do, possibly 3 or more.  That will depend of course on how long the script is/needs to be, how much needs to be developed from scratch, and how different it is in scripting methodology from current 6G techniques.  AM7, for example, may need a month to get each stage finished.

[Shannon]

@Shannon Holy crap you’re building out the library fast. At this rate none of us are going to have any money except you! :p

New everything is making this go faster.  It also really helps when I don't have to slog through developing a long script from scratch or spending 2-3 weeks going through it with a fine tooth comb to nit pick the choice of every other word.

If I was to try to develop the script of UMS v2/3 from scratch it would still require 2-3 months or maybe more just for that step.


Fine tooth combing through it for optimizations would need 2-3 weeks.

Very fortunately for all of us, I fine-tooth-combed it last time, in v2.  It's so good that I found nothing that needed improvement during my random audit to determine if I needed to upgrade or improve the key script.

[AbundanceCH]

Shannon, regarding ME

1. In another thread by a user he mentioned how he noticed that gains went away and you said that it was probably because the subconscious got confused and just pumped more blood to the penis during erections but not actually made it grow permanently. Was this issue addressed in the second (current) version of ME or is this something you will address in the 6g version to ensure the growth is permanent, and it's actual growth not just better blood flow while using thes ub?
2. Any word on when the 6g version might be released?
3. It was discussed that users want the next version to be both length and girth equally at the same time (like the first version of ME had). Will you consider doing a girth only version as well considering the faster build times you are having for subs?

[samba99]

Hi Shannon,

I brought up this concept a while ago, and you mentioned you might look into it. I’d like to bring it up again in the hopes that you’ll consider it.

Currently, the subscription model isn’t very attractive to customers. While I understand that the pricing reflects the fair value determined by your models, I believe there might be a middle ground where both sides benefit.

The current system has some flaws, particularly the lack of a reward mechanism for subscribers. What if each subscription tier awarded points or tokens that could later be redeemed for subliminals of our choice? You could set the points earned per month and the cost of each subliminal in points, ensuring a balanced system.

This approach would encourage more people to subscribe consistently. Personally, I’ve only subscribed twice, but if a reward system like this existed, I wouldn’t mind subscribing every month.

Additionally, I noticed that one of the subliminals I previously subscribed to (Money Magnet) remains permanently in my library, despite requesting its removal multiple times. If it’s meant to be free for me now, I appreciate it, but it also highlights that the system could be improved.

To summarize, the model could work like this:
• Subscribing to a plan earns a set amount of points.
• Each new subliminal costs either a fixed dollar amount or a certain number of points.

This would create a more sustainable subscription system, increasing retention while ensuring a steady revenue stream. I hope this suggestion is seen as constructive feedback rather than an attempt to get something for free—if that were my intent, I wouldn’t have pointed out the Money Magnet issue.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

[Have at ye]

Hi Shannon,

I brought up this concept a while ago, and you mentioned you might look into it. I’d like to bring it up again in the hopes that you’ll consider it.

Currently, the subscription model isn’t very attractive to customers. While I understand that the pricing reflects the fair value determined by your models, I believe there might be a middle ground where both sides benefit.

The current system has some flaws, particularly the lack of a reward mechanism for subscribers. What if each subscription tier awarded points or tokens that could later be redeemed for subliminals of our choice? You could set the points earned per month and the cost of each subliminal in points, ensuring a balanced system.

This approach would encourage more people to subscribe consistently. Personally, I’ve only subscribed twice, but if a reward system like this existed, I wouldn’t mind subscribing every month.

Additionally, I noticed that one of the subliminals I previously subscribed to (Money Magnet) remains permanently in my library, despite requesting its removal multiple times. If it’s meant to be free for me now, I appreciate it, but it also highlights that the system could be improved.

To summarize, the model could work like this:
• Subscribing to a plan earns a set amount of points.
• Each new subliminal costs either a fixed dollar amount or a certain number of points.

This would create a more sustainable subscription system, increasing retention while ensuring a steady revenue stream. I hope this suggestion is seen as constructive feedback rather than an attempt to get something for free—if that were my intent, I wouldn’t have pointed out the Money Magnet issue.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

My first thought would be that this system would be financially unfair to people who prefer to purchase progarms outright (like I personally do).

[samba99]

Hi Shannon,

I brought up this concept a while ago, and you mentioned you might look into it. I’d like to bring it up again in the hopes that you’ll consider it.

Currently, the subscription model isn’t very attractive to customers. While I understand that the pricing reflects the fair value determined by your models, I believe there might be a middle ground where both sides benefit.

The current system has some flaws, particularly the lack of a reward mechanism for subscribers. What if each subscription tier awarded points or tokens that could later be redeemed for subliminals of our choice? You could set the points earned per month and the cost of each subliminal in points, ensuring a balanced system.

This approach would encourage more people to subscribe consistently. Personally, I’ve only subscribed twice, but if a reward system like this existed, I wouldn’t mind subscribing every month.

Additionally, I noticed that one of the subliminals I previously subscribed to (Money Magnet) remains permanently in my library, despite requesting its removal multiple times. If it’s meant to be free for me now, I appreciate it, but it also highlights that the system could be improved.

To summarize, the model could work like this:
• Subscribing to a plan earns a set amount of points.
• Each new subliminal costs either a fixed dollar amount or a certain number of points.

This would create a more sustainable subscription system, increasing retention while ensuring a steady revenue stream. I hope this suggestion is seen as constructive feedback rather than an attempt to get something for free—if that were my intent, I wouldn’t have pointed out the Money Magnet issue.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

My first thought would be that this system would be financially unfair to people who prefer to purchase progarms outright (like I personally do).

Maybe, but what if the economics balanced this out? For example, let’s say a program costs $600, which equals 6 points.

If each $100 spent on a subscription grants only 0.8 points (or even less), subscribers would need to stay subscribed for a considerable amount of time to accumulate enough points. This ensures a fair balance between value and business sustainability.

But let me ask—why haven’t you subscribed? Is it simply not appealing to you, or is there another reason? My main point is that the current subscription model isn’t attractive enough, which is why many people choose not to subscribe.

[Have at ye]

My first thought would be that this system would be financially unfair to people who prefer to purchase progarms outright (like I personally do).

Maybe, but what if the economics balance this matter, for example suppose a program cost 600$ and that equals to 6 points 

And each 100$ paid in subscription will cost you 0.8 points or lower, so with this approach, people who subscribe, will take time to accumulate points


But why wouldnt you tried to subscribe ? Does it not appeal to you or why not? My point is that subscribing is really not that attractive, thats why many people prefer not to do it

AFAIR, subscriptions were primarily intended as a way of letting people who cannot afford to splurge 500+ bucks on a program outright use them, as well as to allow people to try them out for a fair price before buying them and then asking for refunds when they're not to their liking or they hit resistance.

I personally try not to do subscriptions due to budgeting on a freelance gig - I'd rather save up and purchase a program outright because of that. This also allows me to set it up in my preferred media player in a convenient playlist - which is great especially now that I'm using two programs (OSC + the DRS v2 shield).

[Shannon]

Shannon, regarding ME



1. In another thread by a user he mentioned how he noticed that gains went away and you said that it was probably because the subconscious got confused and just pumped more blood to the penis during erections but not actually made it grow permanently.  Was this issue addressed in the second (current) version of ME or is this something you will address in the 6g version to ensure the growth is permanent, and it's actual growth not just better blood flow while using thes ub?

The subconscious wouldn't have gotten confused.  It would have been a vase of being given an instruction to execute, and finding the only way was to do what it did.  The actual instructions  have been designed to prevent that from happening for the last 2 versions.  However, as I have been telling you guys for a long time now, it is extremely difficult to actually cause the penis tissues that need to grow for increasing penis size, to actually grow, while balancing getting them to grow safely.  I believe the most anyone has ever permanently increased their penis length from one of the Male Enhancement subliminals was 0.75", and most guys seem to report 0.50" to 0.25" of permanent growth.  Honestly, even that is borderline miraculous, given how hard it is to do permanently and safely.

I don't know if the 6G upgrades will make it possible for me to do easier and for more men than previously in the future, but real permanent and safe penis enlargement is extremely difficult to do.

2. Any word on when the 6g version might be released?

No iudea.  It's not on my radar right now.  Right now, I am in the process of re-building UMS v3 S1 for the third time, and I have the other three stages of it to build, while I am prepping AM 7 for build (4-6 stages there) and I am trying to do experiments with a specialty experimental too.

3. It was discussed that users want the next version to be both length and girth equally at the same time (like the first version of ME had).  Will you consider doing a girth only version as well considering the faster build times you are having for subs?

No matter what I build, someone will be unhappy.  If I do length only, someone will want girth.  If I do girth only, someone will complain about length.  If I do both equally, someone will want a 2:1 ratio of growth.  If I do a 2:1 ration, someone else will want 1:1.  There is no winning option except to build every possible thing you guys could ask for, which is actually a losing option because it would take forever and then 90% would only buy one option.

At this point, for more than 10 years now you guys keep asking for this title, and I understand why, but it's frustrating to have it either not work, or work poorly, and then have you ask for it again.  I am going to build it again in 6G because that gives me one last chance to make it potentially work, but... not sure it will actually work.  The script has been taken as far as it can be taken already.

I am unlikely to be building more than one variant unless that one variant shows as being properly useful and effective.  If it turns out that I can actually get you guys a result that's worth your money and my time, then hell yes, I'll build a few variants.  But the truth is, I don't like this program because I haven't been able to get it to work well or consistently, based on what little feedback I have gotten, and I don't like having things in my library that I am not sure will work.  I have this title because you guys want it so much, and I have tried and tried and tried to make a script that works.  But not only has it never worked well, it's also hurting my reputation among people who are skeptical of subliminals.  A lot of people see titles like that and instantly shut the door, thinking it and all of my other titles are obviously just a scam, or that they won't buy from me because I make such "boorish" subliminals. 

If I could find a way to actually make it work to my standards, then I wouldn't care because I would have a different clientele to make up for it.  But as it stands... it's the worst of both worlds for me.  And it's only made and included in the store because it is in such high demand, and I know it works to some degree for some guys.  But if I build it in 6G and it still doesn't work even in 6G, what's the point?

So I'll build it one more time unless it shows as producing good results.  A minimum of 1" in permanent gains as an average result.  If it can actually do that, then I'll be willing to build other variants.

[Ampersnd]

@Shannon
I know better than to rush your work, but you mentioned two nights ago about having usage patterns for UMS v3. How's that coming along?

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

I brought up this concept a while ago, and you mentioned you might look into it. I’d like to bring it up again in the hopes that you’ll consider it.

Currently, the subscription model isn’t very attractive to customers. While I understand that the pricing reflects the fair value determined by your models, I believe there might be a middle ground where both sides benefit.

The current system has some flaws, particularly the lack of a reward mechanism for subscribers. What if each subscription tier awarded points or tokens that could later be redeemed for subliminals of our choice? You could set the points earned per month and the cost of each subliminal in points, ensuring a balanced system.

This approach would encourage more people to subscribe consistently. Personally, I’ve only subscribed twice, but if a reward system like this existed, I wouldn’t mind subscribing every month.

Additionally, I noticed that one of the subliminals I previously subscribed to (Money Magnet) remains permanently in my library, despite requesting its removal multiple times. If it’s meant to be free for me now, I appreciate it, but it also highlights that the system could be improved.

To summarize, the model could work like this:
• Subscribing to a plan earns a set amount of points.
• Each new subliminal costs either a fixed dollar amount or a certain number of points.

This would create a more sustainable subscription system, increasing retention while ensuring a steady revenue stream. I hope this suggestion is seen as constructive feedback rather than an attempt to get something for free—if that were my intent, I wouldn’t have pointed out the Money Magnet issue.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

I don't think you realize the situation we're in.  We can't do a rewards system like that.  It's not a feature of the software we use to do the subscription.  And honestly, I have always hated rewards systems, because they strike me as a ridiculous waste of time to try to trick people into buying things.  Why wouldn't I just lower the prices instead? 

The prices are the way they are because of the purpose of the subscription system.  It's not to get the most possible subscriptions, believe it or not.  It's to allow people who can;t afford or don't want to buy the titles to have access without damaging the value of the brand.

I don't see it as you trying to get something for nothing, but I also respect your intelligence and both of our time too much to play games.  Here's the price, and that's that.  Done.In the end, it will all come out the same regardless of points, but points ad layers of complexity, function and time requirements that I neither have the software to implement, nor the patience or time to do.

As for the subliminals you subscribe to remaining permanently in your library, we'll have to see about fixing that, is it still happening?

[Shannon]

Maybe, but what if the economics balance this matter, for example suppose a program cost 600$ and that equals to 6 points 

And each 100$ paid in subscription will cost you 0.8 points or lower, so with this approach, people who subscribe, will take time to accumulate points


But why wouldnt you tried to subscribe ? Does it not appeal to you or why not? My point is that subscribing is really not that attractive, thats why many people prefer not to do it

AFAIR, subscriptions were primarily intended as a way of letting people who cannot afford to splurge 500+ bucks on a program outright use them, as well as to allow people to try them out for a fair price before buying them and then asking for refunds when they're not to their liking or they hit resistance.

I personally try not to do subscriptions due to budgeting on a freelance gig - I'd rather save up and purchase a program outright because of that. This also allows me to set it up in my preferred media player in a convenient playlist - which is great especially now that I'm using two programs (OSC + the DRS v2 shield).

This.