Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[AbundanceCH]

But here is my doubt though...how is this different than what most do already that don't last very long which is just to stop themselves before the "point of no return?" How would we even know it's the sub and not just them stopping themselves if there is no baseline that the sub aims to get most guys to before they get to the point of no return?

Obviously if there was a minimum amount of time the sub aimed to get most men to so we would know things are working.

According to studies it takes a woman about 14 minutes to orgasm from the start of vaginal sex.  I was hoping the sub would help us to at least get to that minimum or a little longer without reaching the point of no return first to satisfy our partners which is probably the main reason most people would be getting this sub.

That's my hope at least for the sub to build a new baseline or much longer average time it takes to get to that first point of no return.

If you doubt, then don't buy it.  There are several differences, but if I tell you what they are, guess what?  All my competitors will know how I did it.  And they're not doing these things, I guarantee you.  I will tell you this: OPE 5.11G is not going to be a light switch instant solution to premature ejaculation, but if you use it properly, it will solve the issue in the vast majority of cases, and you will be able to have physical sex continuously until you choose to orgasm.

14 minutes is an average time based on those studies.  Other studies disagree, and state that you would actually do better with most women if you aimed for ~ 20 minutes of physical sex.  I've had lovers who ranged from so sexually sensitive that more than 5 minutes was painful to lovers who went literally all day and still wanted more.  The goal of this program is to allow you to adapt to your lover and make sex work for you both, regardless of how long she needs you to go for her to achieve her first orgasm.  It also opens the door for you to keep going past that.

But like i said... if you doubt, then don't buy it.  And if you buy it, then be patient with it while it makes the necessary adjustments and changes.

Sounds like how p stars they can control when they finish.  Sounds interesting.  My logical mind was just trying to understand how it would work but I also understand you needing to protect your secrets.

Looking forward to it. I'm going to pm Ben with my purchase info in terms of the coupon for buyers of the original.

*Edit* Ben I pmd you.