Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[AbundanceCH]

"less loops necessary per day"

This is one of my challenges when looking at some of the more extensive subliminals available now. Even if I were to listen overnight, I'm not in my bedroom long enough for ex. LTU or MHS in their current gen. Less loops for the same or greater effect is a huge step forward.

That's the goal.  Let's hope I did it.

If the length of monthly usage is cut will you upgrade some of the current titles that require very long time commitments? For example ME requires 9 months.  UMS requires 12 months.

[CatMan]

"less loops necessary per day"

This is one of my challenges when looking at some of the more extensive subliminals available now. Even if I were to listen overnight, I'm not in my bedroom long enough for ex. LTU or MHS in their current gen. Less loops for the same or greater effect is a huge step forward.

That's the goal.  Let's hope I did it.

If the length of monthly usage is cut will you upgrade some of the current titles that require very long time commitments? For example ME requires 9 months.  UMS requires 12 months.

Fantastic idea, and easy money maker, and a better sub as well.

Win-win, always a good policy .

(Perfect timing since I'm done OF in a few weeks, lameyo...)

[Johannesbrst]

Will OF be rebuilt in 5,8g? If not, when do you believe it's worth rebuilding it?

[Shannon]

"less loops necessary per day"

This is one of my challenges when looking at some of the more extensive subliminals available now. Even if I were to listen overnight, I'm not in my bedroom long enough for ex. LTU or MHS in their current gen. Less loops for the same or greater effect is a huge step forward.

That's the goal.  Let's hope I did it.

If the length of monthly usage is cut will you upgrade some of the current titles that require very long time commitments? For example ME requires 9 months.  UMS requires 12 months.

No.  I will not.  In spite of the fact that even I would like to see UMS v3 in 5.8G or later, UMS may never be built again (and certainly not until after 6G arrives in any case) based on how difficult and time consuming it was to build last time.  And ME will not be built again until after we have had at least one full run through and we know if it actually does anything... and even then, may not get an upgrade until 6G.

Easy money maker?  There is absolutely nothing left about building subliminals at this level that is easy.

I'm sure there is something else I can build after NSLW that would be much more interesting.

[lano1106]

Just curious...

What is NSLW??

too much acronyms here... I'm not sure what this one stands for...

[Giacomonos]

Natural Song & Lyrics Writing

[Shannon]

https://subliminal-shop.com/pages/glossary

[AbundanceCH]

"less loops necessary per day"

This is one of my challenges when looking at some of the more extensive subliminals available now. Even if I were to listen overnight, I'm not in my bedroom long enough for ex. LTU or MHS in their current gen. Less loops for the same or greater effect is a huge step forward.

That's the goal.  Let's hope I did it.

If the length of monthly usage is cut will you upgrade some of the current titles that require very long time commitments? For example ME requires 9 months.  UMS requires 12 months.

No.  I will not.  In spite of the fact that even I would like to see UMS v3 in 5.8G or later, UMS may never be built again (and certainly not until after 6G arrives in any case) based on how difficult and time consuming it was to build last time.  And ME will not be built again until after we have had at least one full run through and we know if it actually does anything... and even then, may not get an upgrade until 6G.

Easy money maker?  There is absolutely nothing left about building subliminals at this level that is easy.

I'm sure there is something else I can build after NSLW that would be much more interesting.

Some of this doesn't make financial sense since you have spoken a lot about money issues in recent times..

It doesn't make sense to have any sub have such long listening times from 6 to 9 months in your store if the tech is there to reduce that (i'm talking about single stagers and assuming 5.8G does what you say it looks like it will do).  For one that limits the amount of subs people can buy in a given year thus reducing your income and it deters new users from buying your stuff.  Most people don't want to spend 6 to 9 months listening to a single stager (except us hardcore IML customers).

I understand your reasoning for not wanting to rebuild subs like UMS and LTU which are multi stagers but single stage subs that's another story.  I see a lot of threads about OF so it doesn't make sense to have such a popular sub stay the way it is when listening times could be reduced and then those customers could be free to buy more subs during the year.  What would make you money money and benefit you more and your customers? Building NSLW or upgrading OF or ME to reduce their listening times?

This is just my opinion but i'm looking at it from a point of view of what makes more business sense and what's better for customers of IML. Let's say 5.8g reduced listening times by 2 months and also reduce hourly usage of your best selling sub. You would have to be crazy not to upgrade it I think considering many current users would upgrade, and it would be more attractive to new users due to reduced numbers of months/daily hours it has to be used.

I'm not saying spend all your time upgrading subs but maybe for every 2 new subs you build you upgrade an old one.

Just my thoughts no offense intended. I'm happy for the latest developments and I hope it all works as you suspect.

[lano1106]

AbondanceCH,

you bring good points, IMHO.

On one hand, if you are really serious about a certain goal, you won't mind investing time in reaching it.

but the long listening periods definitely limit how many programs that I can purchase at any given time...

you are on something when suggesting to rebuild popular programs to shorten their listening periods could be profitable...

time is precious...

Another option would be if new technology would allow running multiple programs at the same time...

The trio ME/DMSI/UMS could be quite something... ;-)

[Shannon]

This is one of my challenges when looking at some of the more extensive subliminals available now. Even if I were to listen overnight, I'm not in my bedroom long enough for ex. LTU or MHS in their current gen. Less loops for the same or greater effect is a huge step forward.

That's the goal.  Let's hope I did it.

If the length of monthly usage is cut will you upgrade some of the current titles that require very long time commitments? For example ME requires 9 months.  UMS requires 12 months.

No.  I will not.  In spite of the fact that even I would like to see UMS v3 in 5.8G or later, UMS may never be built again (and certainly not until after 6G arrives in any case) based on how difficult and time consuming it was to build last time.  And ME will not be built again until after we have had at least one full run through and we know if it actually does anything... and even then, may not get an upgrade until 6G.

Easy money maker?  There is absolutely nothing left about building subliminals at this level that is easy.

I'm sure there is something else I can build after NSLW that would be much more interesting.

Some of this doesn't make financial sense since you have spoken a lot about money issues in recent times..

It doesn't make sense to have any sub have such long listening times from 6 to 9 months in your store if the tech is there to reduce that (i'm talking about single stagers and assuming 5.8G does what you say it looks like it will do).  For one that limits the amount of subs people can buy in a given year thus reducing your income and it deters new users from buying your stuff.  Most people don't want to spend 6 to 9 months listening to a single stager (except us hardcore IML customers).

I understand your reasoning for not wanting to rebuild subs like UMS and LTU which are multi stagers but single stage subs that's another story.  I see a lot of threads about OF so it doesn't make sense to have such a popular sub stay the way it is when listening times could be reduced and then those customers could be free to buy more subs during the year.  What would make you money money and benefit you more and your customers? Building NSLW or upgrading OF or ME to reduce their listening times?

This is just my opinion but i'm looking at it from a point of view of what makes more business sense and what's better for customers of IML.  Let's say 5.8g reduced listening times by 2 months and also reduce hourly usage of your best selling sub.  You would have to be crazy not to upgrade it I think considering many current users would upgrade, and it would be more attractive to new users due to reduced numbers of months it has to be used.

I'm not saying spend all your time upgrading subs but maybe for every 2 new subs you build you upgrade an old one.

Just my thoughts no offense intended.  I'm happy for the latest developments and I hope it all works as you suspect.

I create subliminals with the mindset that a happy customer is a repeat customer.  I build my programs to achieve the goal they claim they will achieve, and if they don't, I keep working to achieve that goal.  I am honest about my subliminals, and I generate the instructions to reflect what will be most successful for the most people in actually achieving the program goals.  The goals you guys are most interested in are the most difficult goals, the things other producers either cannot achieve or do not achieve.  These goals, being the most difficult, are also going to be the most difficult for me to solve, and that means they will also be the most time consuming for you to use the programs I create to solve them.

My approach makes perfect business sense.  I need my customers to trust me, or they will not purchase or subscribe.  I need them to get their money's worth, or they will not be repeat customers.  I need to create subliminals that actually achieve the goals, or they will not get their money's worth.  I need to tackle the problems that they can't find solutions for elsewhere, or there will be more competition.  Those problems are the most difficult to solve, so it takes longer to solve them, and I will need to continue working on the issue for a longer time.  But when I calculate the usage for those programs, it does nobody any good if I tell you guys to use it for not long enough to achieve the primary goals.

The fact that the goals I am working with can be achieved at all in some cases is almost miraculous.  I give you the real deal, and I don't sugar coat the facts.  I'm not doing what most of the other producers do, which is to distract you with new and shiny all the time so you don't care if you got the result.  But the fact is, because my approach does seek to not only achieve the goal, but to do so for the long term, and make a real change, we are working down to parts of your awareness that are very difficult to communicate with and influence, and we are dealing with a lot of resistance from them until I have worked out how to get past and/or around that.  Some times, we are working with physical flesh that does not respond "quickly" by today's "instant or it's too long to wait mentality" no matter hat I do.

As for upgrading ME... let me help you understand my point of view a little better.

1. ME is 3 months old.  It's taken me almost the entire time since to work on upgrading 5.75.7G to 5.8G.  That doesn't involve 99% of the work that has to be done to upgrade the script of DMSI itself.  In other words, this is no longer a fast, simple or easy thing to do, building these programs.  So as it gets more and more advanced, and correspondingly more and more difficult and time consuming to build, I have to be more and more selective about what I build.

2. ME is 3 months old.  It's usage is 9 months PER RUN THROUGH.  We are getting very little feedback, and we don't know if it actually works yet.  Will I spend time and effort to rebuild it when we don't even know if it works yet?  What if it in fact does not work, or doesn't work well enough?  If I were to upgrade it now, it would be a simple re-base to 5.8G skeleton script, without knowing if it even works, how well, and what it needs to have done to make it better.  Doing a simple re-base when it has some undiscovered flaw would transfer that flaw to the next version if we haven't found it yet because next to nobody has reported back.  Then I have to build it again... and what if the consensus is that it does not, in fact, achieve it's goal?  Would a simple re-base solve that issue?  That is likely only going to be the case if "MOAR POWEAR!!!" is the solution.  The issue is most likely not that we don't have enough power; if there is an issue, it will be that we need to improve the rate and method of causing the growth of the cells themselves.  But we don't have enough data to know much of anything about how ME performs.

3. So in a case like this, me rebuilding it is going to look like I'm just trying to make money by selling you guys dreams instead of substance. 

With OF, we could see that it was working, and I was finding ways to improve it, and it was relatively easy to rebuild.  That made sense.  But this is a physical change.  5.75.7G is plenty powerful enough to accomplish that as it stands, but it will take time regardless of how much power is involved because it is a physical change. 

Part of why it takes 9 months is because I choose to focus more on keeping you guys safe than making more money.  This is an area where the goal may or may not even be possible to achieve a result.  I think it is, but without knowing for sure, or knowing for sure how that result would be achieved, I have to err on the side of caution, not forgetting that you have entrusted your safety to me.  Do you really think it makes all that much difference in the grand scheme of things if you have to wait a few more months to get the result? 

Rest assured, when the time is right, these things will be addressed.  But before I rebuild ME, I need to know that it works well enough to be confident that I have actually found a way to achieve the desired goal.  Otherwise I need to find another approach to solve the issue.  I also need to make sure that my customers are SAFE using the product, first and foremost, and that means we will never be making a subliminal that causes your penis to grow faster than is safe for you.  Growing too fast can cause problems ranging from scar tissue to the risk of major issues in other directions.  And in your life, who in their right mind is going to really care if you got to a bigger penis in 9 months instead of 7 or 6, as long as you got the results and did it in a safe, healthy, natural and permanent way that does not have negative effects or side effects?

I do not go faster than my data and understanding allow me to do in a safe manner that I am confident will work.  You want me to work on ME faster?  I need to know what it does, and how well, and what needs to be changed or improved.  When the first customers hit nine months, we will see one of two outcomes: a flood of reports that it worked, or a flood of refund requests.  It makes no sense business-wise to upgrade a product that might not work, so I can potentially deal with more refund requests! Wouldn't you agree?

[Shannon]

AbondanceCH,

you bring good points, IMHO.

On one hand, if you are really serious about a certain goal, you won't mind investing time in reaching it.

but the long listening periods definitely limit how many programs that I can purchase at any given time...

you are on something when suggesting to rebuild popular programs to shorten their listening periods could be profitable...

time is precious...

Another option would be if new technology would allow running multiple programs at the same time...

The trio ME/DMSI/UMS could be quite something... ;-)

Don't you think it would make the most sense to achieve the primary goal of one title consistently for the majority of users before we start trying to divide 1 by 3 and get 1 as a result?

[lano1106]

AbondanceCH,

you bring good points, IMHO.

On one hand, if you are really serious about a certain goal, you won't mind investing time in reaching it.

but the long listening periods definitely limit how many programs that I can purchase at any given time...

you are on something when suggesting to rebuild popular programs to shorten their listening periods could be profitable...

time is precious...

Another option would be if new technology would allow running multiple programs at the same time...

The trio ME/DMSI/UMS could be quite something... ;-)

Don't you think it would make the most sense to achieve the primary goal of one title consistently for the majority of users before we start trying to divide 1 by 3 and get 1 as a result?

Shannon,

you are probably right...

I guess that your products are addressing many core and fundamental human desires that are naturally pursued simultaneously. The urge to mimick that with your subs is strong.

So, if it was possible to use multiple programs in a multitask mode, despite some tradeoff such as slower or weaker results, I would be interested into that...

I am clearly influenced by your programs... and when I use a program, there is pretty much only the program goal running in my mind for several months and I neglect other areas of life in the meantime... and this is hardly sustainable to be in that mode for a full year.

Just 2 days ago, I did entertain the idea to give DMSI program a shot when available before waiting the recommended UMS 12 months... in part because I have not been intimate for a woman for about 3 months.

My behavior is deeply influenced by my subconscious and its programming. In those last 3 months, I got few opportunities to connect with few women... I just simply didn't take action into that direction. The idea to do something to have an intimate relation simply faded away because my mind automatically focus back on the main goal which is to reach monetary success.

I think that I have read similar thoughts in 2 other UMS journals (giving DMSI a shot before completing UMS)...

With the exception of the OF program (I wonder why), it seems like a lot of users have a hard time following long listen periods (above 6 months). I base this impression simply by looking at the evolution of the number of journals for a certain program. It seems like there is a very high number of journals right at the release and the number is rapidly shrinking after few weeks.

If your products could pull my subconscious mind to work on few goals all at once, this is something that I wish could be possible.

That being said, I am a happy and satisfied client. I don't mind much about the guaranty and voiding it as I have never requested any refund.

I am just brainstorming ideas... AbundanceCH suggested that if listening period could be shortened, that would be beneficial. I suggest a different approach which I think has been considered at some point as a 6G goal.

IMHO, those 2 suggestions are just ways to fulfill a need. The need is to pursue several goals in the same year.

Is it possible? Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm just expressing some feedback about using your products.

I am just observing that usage period recommendation is growing since I have been introduced to the company... I wonder if you have some stats about the typical user listening habit. Is the typical user thoughtfully listen for the whole recommended period or are those who do are some kind of rare birds?

[AbundanceCH]

If your products could pull my subconscious mind to work on few goals all at once, this is something that I wish could be possible.

Shannon has already stated many times that it's impossible at the moment to combine subs and it might never be possible.

[kserenyi]

If your products could pull my subconscious mind to work on few goals all at once, this is something that I wish could be possible.

Shannon has already stated many times that it's impossible at the moment to combine subs and it might never be possible.

It seems to me that the very reason some programs are so complex and take so long to achieve all of their results is because they already combine several older programs into one. 

Ultimate Monetary Success, for example, combines versions of Ultra Success/Luck Magnifier, Emotional Healing & Pain Relief, with the latest modules for Fear Removal and the Directional Reflection Shield.  And more....

Rewriting years, even decades of programming that has been keeping me relatively poor in just 12 months seems like an exceptional bargain and amazing feat to me.  The extra-credit for being a good person with wealth include a better love life, improved self confidence, and many aspects of being an alpha-male.  A successful UMS run may mean you don't even need some of the more focused and quicker programs.