Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[AriGold]

I know it is hard to guess what the ETA of UMS2 is. So realistically what could it be? (people might be saving up or running something else before)

I'm sure it won't be less than 2 weeks per stage in building, etc, so more than 4 months in the future, but also not more than 8 months. That would put it in the timeframe of June (best case) and October (worst case)?

[ncbeareatingman]

Can’t wait to get UMS v2

Ding! Ding!! Bonus Round!!  Me too,Man,meeee too!! Heres hoping that the price will be the same by then. 600 buckaroo's!!

Ouch, is that the expected price for UMS2?..

SHannon:
For a six stage set entirely in 5.75.5G?  $600 is a steal!  And it will only be the introductory price.  It will go up at some point.  Probably a lot.

Ncbeareatingman:
 subliminal talk  UMSv2

Shannon,as pleased as you were with UMS-1, I know the second one is gonna be  ahhh shall we say slowly 'ahh Bang-ging!"

For the comment about the price:
 #1) Indeed it is a whale of a steal, as they used to say when I was growing up in da 60's as a kid.

 #2) I nor you can create such masterpiecie's of  work,if we could we'd be doin' it and not being here,right?

 #3) Think about the benefits, that come from such usage of a title like UMS v2

 #4) I purchased the lastest-upgraded version of Ultra Success Luck Maximizer v4.2 back in late November 2020
     during that time within 10 days one thousand dollar in total ,had come into my life...
     things that normally would've taken months, as in 5 months or more, hit my back account 1st day into the new     year...
     a prosperous new beginning I'd say for this new year and all ,others out of da blue.....
      In short USLM v4.2  paid for it self 8 times over and then some. Basically,USLM paid for itself ,that much ,in one month. 
 Just imagine with a little faith and trust what something Like UMS v2 5.75.5 G can do...as the saying goes 'ya aint seen nothing,yet,Pal!"

 #5) Im just now, as of today, beginning my first day of my 3rd month on USLM 4.2 ,and as such,it continues to impress!
     So 600 bucks for a program,that could potentially change your game and destiny line for life....? huh?  Hell Yeah
      600 bucks and I feel damn lucky that right now,thats all it is...whew!( wipes sweet off brow!)

   What if I said to you,I've waited and hoped for such a program,here .for 11 F-en  years straight?

   I recently, bought, some healing devices/machines to help with my chronic health issues and I know and am expereincing them
 work,really effectively,and really well !!
 One was 400 bucks and that was a with a 10% discount, and the other was 260 bucks..free shipping,both from Canada
 Got'um in 10 days.... gotta take care of the health of self,after all whats the use of being the wealthiest man in da grave Yard??? 
   So is it worth it? HELL YEAH!! Sooo lookin forward to  UMS v2 when da time arrives. I know its gonna kick some ass!!
its all about Value placement and priorities there of,alike!!

[Shannon]

I know it is hard to guess what the ETA of UMS2 is. So realistically what could it be? (people might be saving up or running something else before)

I'm sure it won't be less than 2 weeks per stage in building, etc, so more than 4 months in the future, but also not more than 8 months. That would put it in the timeframe of June (best case) and October (worst case)?

I'm basically looking at trying to work on DMSI 3.3.3, UMSv2, MLS and an experimental, all pretty close to simultaneously.  

DMSI has languished for too long.  Maybe focusing on it a bit will help me find the solution.

UMS v2 needs to be built, but it's a beast to build.

MLS will make us a lot of money, and be a relatively easy upgrade (I hope).

The experimental is potentially groundbreaking, if the concept actually works IRL - so I can't ignore it.

So I'm going to be working round robin, but I am going to have to focus mostly on MLS in the short term.  Then it'll be DMSI and UMS v2 for a while.  Then back to making subs for funding.

I don't know specifically how long it will take.  It'll be nice to get to a point where I'm not trying to do everything at once.  Going as fast as I can while doing this right.  But I would not say your estimate is a bad one.

[DarthXedonias]

Thanks for the reply. I would say for me given what you said that would work perfectly for me as I will be starting my second degree on March 1st and plan on finishing up probably sometime late April or early May which given the time your looking at for UMS means I could probably then jump from MLS to UMS in May (as I wouldn't be able to start my Masters program until September anyway). 

That did bring up 2 other questions (I hope i'm not taking up too much of your time with these). Regarding if MLS most likely might be next you said I believe there might not be any new major tech upgrades for a while (after you major discovery for 5.75.5G) but will there still be some normal optimizations minor tech upgrades here and there with subs going forward? Reason I ask is because what you did for 5.75.5G really helped me out by a lot. So I'm wondering just how powerful and efficient things can get from here on out if even its just minor upgrades here and there. 

Also related to MLS would you actually consider doing a direct genetic component for the sub this time? I ask this because I know at the time of the last MLS you said that you predicted at best, regarding the IQ component, you could probably get IQ to move up by 10 points at most. Since then I think with MHS was the first time you found a safe way to add direct genetic subliminal suggestions and since there is still a lot of scientist that think genetics highly influence IQ I thought maybe if you had thought about introducing that component into MLS to help with the IQ part of the script? (while doing it safely of course). On top of that just in my personal opinion the data from that might help out later when you decided to put your subs under more scientific scrutiny as it might at least help partial give some idea of just how much genetics influence IQ possibly. I'm just saying it as a possibility. I don't know if you've already thought along these lines. Either way whatever you decide I'm all for it.

@Shannon Hey decided to repost this since I think it got buried before you could see it and reply.

[CatMan]

DMSI has languished for too long.  Maybe focusing on it a bit will help me find the solution.

At last!!! Fantastic news to hear. Working on it directly seems like it is likely to lead to some kind of solution. I assumed before that the new NSFM was made to test out something with an aura for an upcoming DMSI. I was surprised to learn they were independent of each other. Still, very encouraging to hear it's going to be worked on.

For now, I'm enjoying the excellent OF V2, have a little while left on it's run anyway. And things here are getting more and more ridiculous...on multiple fronts anyway. But it's still a huge relief to know it's being made, so it'll exist for when the time is right. I've been concerned about whether or not it'd be here in time, to be honest.

Great to hear, Shannon. UMS V2 sounds interesting too. UMS V1 didn't do much for me I think, but from 5.75.5G onward, the skeleton script seems to have turned a page for sure! Future seems bright.

Also: Where are the directions you're planning on taking the experience in making the wart sub? I assume physical-focused subs, growth subs etc.? That was intriguing to see.

[K-Train]

I'm basically looking at trying to work on DMSI 3.3.3, UMSv2, MLS and an experimental, all pretty close to simultaneously.  

DMSI has languished for too long.  Maybe focusing on it a bit will help me find the solution.

UMS v2 needs to be built, but it's a beast to build.

MLS will make us a lot of money, and be a relatively easy upgrade (I hope).

The experimental is potentially groundbreaking, if the concept actually works IRL - so I can't ignore it.

So I'm going to be working round robin, but I am going to have to focus mostly on MLS in the short term.  Then it'll be DMSI and UMS v2 for a while.  Then back to making subs for funding.

I don't know specifically how long it will take.  It'll be nice to get to a point where I'm not trying to do everything at once.  Going as fast as I can while doing this right.  But I would not say your estimate is a bad one.

I definitely agree. My short experiment with the old MLS  was quite eye opening. The difference the FRM makes is remarkable. Not only the FRM but the DRS as well (I'm of course talking about the experiment I did here which you've already seen @Shannon ) makes such a huge difference with not only learning but "putting yourself out there" to learn and be wrong. Once sufficient time had elapsed from the time I had used a sub with FRM and the DRS (USLM 4.2 in this case) the effects of their absence could be felt. Point blank: fear makes it hard to think/learn and the BS from others makes it even harder. It also made me understand that having a photographic memory by itself is great (hope that becomes a standalone focus fire one day) but for my current situation being able to remember and apply memories is more helpful.

Plus, academia is one of the few businesses still booming right now. Lots of college/high school kids still need a boost to their learning capacity (me especially). Plus, MLS when its being executed has so many potential applications outside of just school. Maybe you should use it too Shannon! Might enable you to come up with tech more efficiently and crack the code for 6G!

[ncbeareatingman]

I know it is hard to guess what the ETA of UMS2 is. So realistically what could it be? (people might be saving up or running something else before)

I'm sure it won't be less than 2 weeks per stage in building, etc, so more than 4 months in the future, but also not more than 8 months. That would put it in the timeframe of June (best case) and October (worst case)?

I'm basically looking at trying to work on DMSI 3.3.3, UMSv2, MLS and an experimental, all pretty close to simultaneously.  

DMSI has languished for too long.  Maybe focusing on it a bit will help me find the solution.

UMS v2 needs to be built, but it's a beast to build.

MLS will make us a lot of money, and be a relatively easy upgrade (I hope).

The experimental is potentially groundbreaking, if the concept actually works IRL - so I can't ignore it.

So I'm going to be working round robin, but I am going to have to focus mostly on MLS in the short term.  Then it'll be DMSI and UMS v2 for a while.  Then back to making subs for funding.

I don't know specifically how long it will take.  It'll be nice to get to a point where I'm not trying to do everything at once.  Going as fast as I can while doing this right.  But I would not say your estimate is a bad one.

 Argh!! Thank goodness DMSI  is a single stage program, as is MLS...thaaaaank goodness!! Hope you'll let us know when you actually break ground with UMS v2,even if its just once.... when the process actually beings.

[ffaux]

@Shannon Thans for the thoughtful answer.

You don't have issues with trust in yourself.  You have a common very basic insecurity that a lot of guys have, which can be boiled down to a fear that when it comes to women, you are not good enough.  

All fear is irrational, because fear is an emotion, which is mutually exclusive to reason by its very nature.  And I disagree.  Most men get damaged through "game".  Then they come here and try to heal and repair that damage and find better ways to get laid.  Most guys don't have the personality to increase self confidence and self esteem through game, which is why so many fail.  It's the failures you never hear about, because everyone is focused on the winners.  Just like with gambling.

...Feeling good enough comes from understanding that you are the one who decides what "good enough" is, not someone else.  As long as you are trying to listen to what someone else says is good enough, you will almost certainly never believe yourself to be good enough.  As long as you compare yourself to someone else to determine whether you are good enough, you will always find someone better than you to compare yourself to and say, "See?  They're better than me, I'm not good enough."  Only when you turn inside yourself and define "good enough" yourself will you start feeling good enough, and this is as it should be, because "good enough" is defined by YOU.

And these guys who get the hotties you want, they do that in part because they are either have decided they are good enough to have her, or they are very good liars, to both themselves and her.  It is very hard to hide a belief that one is inferior from a woman because it comes out in your subconscious body language, which wants to tell the truth about what you think.  Faking that successfully means you're a very damaged person.  You don't want to be able to fake that.  What you want is to be telling the truth subconsciously, and have that truth be, "Regardless of what you look like, I am more than good enough to date you, have sex with you, whatever I am willing to do.  The question is, are you worth my time?"

And to get to that point, ironically, you'll need to understand something that usually makes guys lose interest in the 10's and a lot of the 9's too, which is... her shit stinks just like yours does.  She is just another human.  The difference between her and you is only three things:

1. She is female.
   
2. She is more symmetrical than most females.
   
3. She is treated by guys like you and your friends in such a way that 99 times out of 100, she will have developed into a woman who is either so full of herself and high maintenance that she's not worth it, so damaged that she's not worth it, or both.
   

I used to be a modeling photographer.  I worked with these women a lot.  And after years of that, I'm happy to date what most guys would consider 7's and 8's, even though I can get 9's and 10's if I really want to enough.  Unless you're still in the stage where the only thing that matters is what other guys think of you, you're going to have a limit to the kind of crap you'll put up with to get a 9 or a 10, and that will naturally rule out a lot of those 9's and 10's for most guys who are of the belief that they are worthy of having such a woman if they want one.  The result is that you are no longer impressed by her, no longer necessarily interested, and definitely not desperate or willing to put up with her crap.  And THAT is what attracts her: you're different, you're not a boy or a sheep, and you can't be controlled by her.  You are immune to her looks.  That drives them nuts, because in most cases, looks is all those women have to feel good about themselves with.  Because like you, they are usually insecure, afraid of not being good enough and emotionally damaged by guys who try to fuck them for sport, just to impress their friends.

...

You really don't want hot girls.  You want to impress your friends with being able to fuck hot girls.  And your genes want you to have babies with hot girls.  But you can't know if she's compatible with you just based on how she looks.  And trying to have a relationship or sex with an incompatible woman is a recipe for disaster.  Trust me.

In the end, remember that the only person who can decide if you are good enough is you, and you can never be accurate comparing yourself to anyone else but the you who you were yesterday.  I have said this before... if you are a better person than the person you were yesterday, you are making progress, and that is good enough.

@Shannon this really speaks to me right now. I've been using OF2 for 6 months, and I have arrived to the conclusion that I've been chasing women and money as a proxy for social status. Which subliminal programs address this head on? I would have assumed AM and WM, but I've run them both (5xAM + 1xWM), so I'm not sure anymore.

[Shannon]

Thanks for the reply. I would say for me given what you said that would work perfectly for me as I will be starting my second degree on March 1st and plan on finishing up probably sometime late April or early May which given the time your looking at for UMS means I could probably then jump from MLS to UMS in May (as I wouldn't be able to start my Masters program until September anyway). 

That did bring up 2 other questions (I hope i'm not taking up too much of your time with these). Regarding if MLS most likely might be next you said I believe there might not be any new major tech upgrades for a while (after you major discovery for 5.75.5G) but will there still be some normal optimizations minor tech upgrades here and there with subs going forward? Reason I ask is because what you did for 5.75.5G really helped me out by a lot. So I'm wondering just how powerful and efficient things can get from here on out if even its just minor upgrades here and there.

 

There are always new things being discovered and learned about how to improve these programs.  Sometimes they're exciting and big, sometimes they're small and incremental, but useful.  What I did to make 5.75.4G go to 5.75.5G was something I had been trying to figure out for a LONG time, many years.  It was a doozy of a challenge, and a doozy of an upgrade.  I know there's still something significant I haven't figured out yet in at least one direction, and there's a lot left to add from Beast.  Not all of Beast's additions will be useful for the skeleton script, some will be more specific.  But there's a lot of concepts that will add to how well it works, and thus the whole program.

Also related to MLS would you actually consider doing a direct genetic component for the sub this time? I ask this because I know at the time of the last MLS you said that you predicted at best, regarding the IQ component, you could probably get IQ to move up by 10 points at most. Since then I think with MHS was the first time you found a safe way to add direct genetic subliminal suggestions and since there is still a lot of scientist that think genetics highly influence IQ I thought maybe if you had thought about introducing that component into MLS to help with the IQ part of the script? (while doing it safely of course). On top of that just in my personal opinion the data from that might help out later when you decided to put your subs under more scientific scrutiny as it might at least help partial give some idea of just how much genetics influence IQ possibly. I'm just saying it as a possibility. I don't know if you've already thought along these lines. Either way whatever you decide I'm all for it.

@Shannon Hey decided to repost this since I think it got buried before you could see it and reply.
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That is definitely something I will have to look at.

[Shannon]

DMSI has languished for too long.  Maybe focusing on it a bit will help me find the solution.

At last!!! Fantastic news to hear. Working on it directly seems like it is likely to lead to some kind of solution. I assumed before that the new NSFM was made to test out something with an aura for an upcoming DMSI. I was surprised to learn they were independent of each other. Still, very encouraging to hear it's going to be worked on.

For now, I'm enjoying the excellent OF V2, have a little while left on it's run anyway. And things here are getting more and more ridiculous...on multiple fronts anyway. But it's still a huge relief to know it's being made, so it'll exist for when the time is right. I've been concerned about whether or not it'd be here in time, to be honest.

Great to hear, Shannon. UMS V2 sounds interesting too. UMS V1 didn't do much for me I think, but from 5.75.5G onward, the skeleton script seems to have turned a page for sure! Future seems bright.

Also: Where are the directions you're planning on taking the experience in making the wart sub? I assume physical-focused subs, growth subs etc.? That was intriguing to see.

Well what I had in mind has to remain a secret.  If this approach works for warts and moles, it has certain other potentials as well, which are rather important.  I'm not going to say anything more until I know that one or both of my ideas for this actually works, and I see a way of testing the other potentials the approach may have.

[Shannon]

@Shannon Thans for the thoughtful answer.

You don't have issues with trust in yourself.  You have a common very basic insecurity that a lot of guys have, which can be boiled down to a fear that when it comes to women, you are not good enough.  

All fear is irrational, because fear is an emotion, which is mutually exclusive to reason by its very nature.  And I disagree.  Most men get damaged through "game".  Then they come here and try to heal and repair that damage and find better ways to get laid.  Most guys don't have the personality to increase self confidence and self esteem through game, which is why so many fail.  It's the failures you never hear about, because everyone is focused on the winners.  Just like with gambling.

...Feeling good enough comes from understanding that you are the one who decides what "good enough" is, not someone else.  As long as you are trying to listen to what someone else says is good enough, you will almost certainly never believe yourself to be good enough.  As long as you compare yourself to someone else to determine whether you are good enough, you will always find someone better than you to compare yourself to and say, "See?  They're better than me, I'm not good enough."  Only when you turn inside yourself and define "good enough" yourself will you start feeling good enough, and this is as it should be, because "good enough" is defined by YOU.

And these guys who get the hotties you want, they do that in part because they are either have decided they are good enough to have her, or they are very good liars, to both themselves and her.  It is very hard to hide a belief that one is inferior from a woman because it comes out in your subconscious body language, which wants to tell the truth about what you think.  Faking that successfully means you're a very damaged person.  You don't want to be able to fake that.  What you want is to be telling the truth subconsciously, and have that truth be, "Regardless of what you look like, I am more than good enough to date you, have sex with you, whatever I am willing to do.  The question is, are you worth my time?"

And to get to that point, ironically, you'll need to understand something that usually makes guys lose interest in the 10's and a lot of the 9's too, which is... her shit stinks just like yours does.  She is just another human.  The difference between her and you is only three things:

1. She is female.
   
2. She is more symmetrical than most females.
   
3. She is treated by guys like you and your friends in such a way that 99 times out of 100, she will have developed into a woman who is either so full of herself and high maintenance that she's not worth it, so damaged that she's not worth it, or both.
   

I used to be a modeling photographer.  I worked with these women a lot.  And after years of that, I'm happy to date what most guys would consider 7's and 8's, even though I can get 9's and 10's if I really want to enough.  Unless you're still in the stage where the only thing that matters is what other guys think of you, you're going to have a limit to the kind of crap you'll put up with to get a 9 or a 10, and that will naturally rule out a lot of those 9's and 10's for most guys who are of the belief that they are worthy of having such a woman if they want one.  The result is that you are no longer impressed by her, no longer necessarily interested, and definitely not desperate or willing to put up with her crap.  And THAT is what attracts her: you're different, you're not a boy or a sheep, and you can't be controlled by her.  You are immune to her looks.  That drives them nuts, because in most cases, looks is all those women have to feel good about themselves with.  Because like you, they are usually insecure, afraid of not being good enough and emotionally damaged by guys who try to fuck them for sport, just to impress their friends.

...

You really don't want hot girls.  You want to impress your friends with being able to fuck hot girls.  And your genes want you to have babies with hot girls.  But you can't know if she's compatible with you just based on how she looks.  And trying to have a relationship or sex with an incompatible woman is a recipe for disaster.  Trust me.

In the end, remember that the only person who can decide if you are good enough is you, and you can never be accurate comparing yourself to anyone else but the you who you were yesterday.  I have said this before... if you are a better person than the person you were yesterday, you are making progress, and that is good enough.

@Shannon this really speaks to me right now. I've been using OF2 for 6 months, and I have arrived to the conclusion that I've been chasing women and money as a proxy for social status. Which subliminal programs address this head on? I would have assumed AM and WM, but I've run them both (5xAM + 1xWM), so I'm not sure anymore.

Address what specifically head on?  Chasing women and money as a proxy for social status?  For the time being your best bets are going to be OF, E4 or LTU if you don't want to run AM6.  And after 5 runs, you definitely have done what you can do with it.

I would say, finish out OF and then take a gander.

[ffaux]

Address what specifically head on?  Chasing women and money as a proxy for social status?  For the time being your best bets are going to be OF, E4 or LTU if you don't want to run AM6.  And after 5 runs, you definitely have done what you can do with it.

I would say, finish out OF and then take a gander.

I meant addressing chasing social status head on. It appears that perceiving myself as lower social status relative to other men and women has been both my greatest motivator, and my greatest blocker.

Not sure if that changes your answer.

[Raz]

@Shannon

Do you plan to release LTU Stage 7 so that a seamless transition from Stage 6 to 7 is possible for those of us that are currently running it?

[Jake2015]

@Shannon I missed the break and listened to the track (OF v2) - what do I do, continue the next cycle as normal or take a day off within it?

thanks

Hi Shannon you didn't reply to this message above from me, so I've just continued as normal.

Im on my 4th cycle so coming to my 1st month on OF2. So far nothing to report, nothing noticed as yet.

Any changes I should make or just continue as I am? 

Reminder of current listening Protocol: volume 13/15 using S10 phone, at times s7 when s10 is needed free for phone calls. Keeping to 6days on, 1 day off.

Also what is laziness to you, is it something UMOP may be able to address in the future?

thank you

Sorry, sometimes I miss things.

If you miss the break, then take the break and start a new cycle.  Going too long on without time off can become an issue.  

If you're using Ultrasonic, I suggest you start dropping the volume one notch per week until you start noticing results.

Laziness is the unwillingness to act based on an unwillingness to do so in favor of not acting.  Usually this is because of a lack of motivation, too much comfort, and/or some deep fear.  I would think the Ultimate Motivation part of the program should help with this.

No problem and thank you! Yes US track.

@Shannon Is there a minimum you want me to get the volume down to before I stop and going any further? Perhaps 7/15? - thanks