Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[CatMan]

If I didn't want to have sex, I never would've bought DMSI or SM. For reference, I used SM long ago and it didn't work, I wouldn't go way back to old gen sub tech like that again anyway. Not when 5.75.5G is showing good results. But on your other point Tol, some guys here seem to confuse "random casual sex" with "sex when dating or some kind of interest and rapport etc." or what not with me, and group it all together. Just because I don't see any value in "random casual sex", doesn't mean I don't want to have sex, full stop. Just to clarify. My main focus for DMSI, is to obtain some measure of choice and ability with women. After that point, I will steer things where I want be that relationship or what not etc. Getting to the point of merely CHOICE, is my goal, if you get me.

Also, I've heard the "hooker" thing a million times here, I have no interest in a hooker. And actually...it IS about attraction...so I would not want a hooker since a hooker is doing it for money...NOT attraction. Defeats the whole purpose of what I want, to ATTRACT. As I've said before, if it was simply just any form of "sex"...I would've done that with some hooker when I was like 16. So I didn't understand that part, maybe I didn't read that right.

I liked Ari's post too. Kinda what I was saying. I brought this up long ago. But, I was trying to illustrate the difficulty of going essentially from one extreme, to the other, with the sub. And providing an "experience" of it in case anything can be used for the sub going forward. It can often seem like going from one planet to another to be honest. I'm not sure if making the transition will ultimately require a two-stage program or not. One stage to remove the limiting beliefs, past hurts and issues with women, GSF removal, stripping out all forms of external validation from women, massive boost to confidence, self esteem, self worth etc. And then second stage can have the aura aspect perhaps. I was just trying to report on the process and thinking maybe it's simply asking too much as it is currently. Trying to beat Usain Bolt in the Olympics before learning how to walk, if you will. Who knows, it's up to Shannon, I just felt like reporting since this incident occurred during V3.3.2.

However, it's not all doom and gloom! On OF V2, the other day, I deleted all numbers of girls from my phone. Including the one I originally wrote of earlier! And I told myself if they want to contact me, then I'll ask "who is this?" and re-add them to my phone. Already happened with one. If I don't hear from them first, then I know I've been forcing interactions, giving out validation, chasing, and they don't value me as I value them. This may sound elementary to many of you, but to me, this is something I admit I wouldn't have done before OF V2. So, this seems like a very good step in development.

So the program is having some effects on me. I've journaled everyday offline, and have went back and forth on making an online journal. We'll see, I just might. Tip of the cap to you all for commenting! OF V2 is going good so far, that deletion spree was a big step for me I think to be honest! So glad this sub was made, I knew it'd be a winner.

[Darwin]

@CatMan I've been curious about people who start to build up resentment toward women who don't want to be with them. Are there women you reject/don't want to be with?

[CatMan]

@CatMan I've been curious about people who start to build up resentment toward women who don't want to be with them. Are there women you reject/don't want to be with?

I'm answering in a PM. I don't want to pollute the journal.

I just posted for Shannon to see a DMSI perspective for R&D purposes.

[Shannon]

Are there any plans to update ASC? Traditionally it gets an upgrade when there is a major version change (e.g. 6G) though I feel like ASC would benefit greatly with 5.75G and that the effects would last long after user has stopped listening to it.

I will be rebuilding ASC next in 6G.  There are various reasons for that.  If you want to build self confidence before that time, E4, OF v4 and LTUv6 are good choices in that direction.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

1) I wondered and unsure if you know but what percentage of the sub buyers/listeners are executing and what have yet to execute?

There are very few who are left who are "yet to execute".  I don't know what the exact percentage is.

2) When you do make UMOP3 (which is when I finish OF) could you throw in both hard work and smart work into it as well as the persistence energy desire and joy to achieve the goal, whether it takes hours to reach it daily like a robot or not.

thanks

Probably not.  Those who really need UMOP are very difficult to get to overcome procrastination, and if and when I figure it out fully, I am not interested in diluting it or triggering more resistance from some side thing.

Ok thanks but isnt what I described a part of motivation? or are hard work/smart work, persistence, energy, desire, joy a part of something else that you may make later? - thanks

Motivation is a very complex thing.  What motivates the hell out of one person may have no effect on another, and may have the exact reverse effect on someone else.  Most people who procrastinate associate the word "work" with "Yuck, I dun wanna do that, let's go play video games." Put "hard" in front of it and it gets multiple times worse.  It's a far more complex issue to motivate people than aiming at one specific thing.  Besides, instead of working on UMOP and throwing in all sorts of extraneous stuff that might trigger more resistance, wouldn't we focus and get UMOP working first?

I may use those things later, but they're already (for the most part) in UMS.

[Shannon]

@Shannon , is it possible to create a script inside the subs that creates a 'servitor' for the user that helps the user with execution (as well as maybe anything else that the person needs help with regarding the programme)?

Delete if this is too rule 4, Im not sure if it is or not.

That is covered under "magick", which is covered under Rule 4.  We can leave it here to serve as a reminder, but it is.

On top of that, creating such a thing is, in my expert opinion, too dangerous to do through a subliminal.  The conscious mind needs to be involved to keep the process safe.  You also need to have sufficient knowledge, self control, skill and willpower, along with sufficient understanding of your knowledge, and good safety measures in place for unexpected issues as well.  That cannot be done with a subliminal, and anyone who makes or uses a subliminal to create such a thing is, in my expert opinion, seriously asking for trouble at the very least, and a complete moron at the worst.

[Shannon]

@Shannon  For LTU, I was listening on 3/16 and getting subtle results but subtle resistance. I upped the volume to 4/16 and my results increased as well as resistance and I noticed I was more exhausted. Then on 5/16 I'm noticing results very noticeable (I literally noticed results as I just started listening and I was shocked) but also strong resistance and exhaustion is about the same or maybe slightly less.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that increasing the volume further should let you find the sweet spot where you execute without sufficient resistance to exhaust you.  Maybe without resistance.  Keep going.

I'll try one more volume click up and see if that changes things, thank you Shannon.

I tried 6 clicks and sadly that's when it starts to cause tinnitus, it's actually pretty loud even though its only 6/16. It's only the morning right now, but I can say I slept great and my mind feels clean so far, no major signs of resistance (kinda feel the remnants of resistance I was experiencing on 4 and 5 clicks). Kinda bone deep tired but my body feels good. I'll go back to experimenting with 4 or 5 clicks because of the tinnitus.

You give up easily.  But I suggest you stick with v5 for a week, and then try 6 again.  Keep doing that until it works.  You'll get there.  There is no way a v6 on a cell phone is really actually loud with ultrasonics.

[Shannon]

@Shannon  For LTU, I was listening on 3/16 and getting subtle results but subtle resistance. I upped the volume to 4/16 and my results increased as well as resistance and I noticed I was more exhausted. Then on 5/16 I'm noticing results very noticeable (I literally noticed results as I just started listening and I was shocked) but also strong resistance and exhaustion is about the same or maybe slightly less.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that increasing the volume further should let you find the sweet spot where you execute without sufficient resistance to exhaust you.  Maybe without resistance.  Keep going.

I'll try one more volume click up and see if that changes things, thank you Shannon.

I tried 6 clicks and sadly that's when it starts to cause tinnitus, it's actually pretty loud even though its only 6/16. It's only the morning right now, but I can say I slept great and my mind feels clean so far, no major signs of resistance (kinda feel the remnants of resistance I was experiencing on 4 and 5 clicks). Kinda bone deep tired but my body feels good. I'll go back to experimenting with 4 or 5 clicks because of the tinnitus.

I wish Shannon would make a sub to heal our ears and rejuvenate them so I could listen to subs a little louder and get better results. I can’t listen to more than 4 clicks.

The issue isn't what you think it is.  It will boil down to one of three possible things.

1. You have extreme sensitivity to high frequency sound.  That's not something that can be "healed" because it's not damage; it has to do with the shape and size of your ear and it's parts.
2. Your subconscious is creating issues to dis-incentivize you from using the subliminal in a way that will allow it to actually achieve it's goals.  Again, nothing to do with your ears; it's psychosomatic.
3. Some combination of the two.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, any updates on programs being worked on?

I wish DMSI was out to deal with an issue I have with a girl I rekindled with on V3.3.2 awhile back when she willingly gave me her number without me asking. I was shocked and thought I won the lottery at the time. Nothing really has transpired since, despite my efforts, sadly. Even before the virus situation. Haven't heard back for like a week now. Seems to be slipping through my fingers magically...again I guess I'm not sure. I'm beyond tired of failing with them, it's insane how this has happened my entire life now. I really wonder why I keep putting myself through the disappointment and trying since nothing changes.

You have surely noticed a pattern here.  You are following a predictable pattern and cycle, every time you get some interaction with a woman.  I could write out that pattern in computer programming code, at this point.  The key to changing it is to recognize it and make a conscious choice to do something different.  I've told you that before.  In your case, presuming you're being honest, you have a battle going on between your conscious and subconscious selves.  Conscious self wants sex, subconscious self wants to "protect you from" sex because of the perceived and remembered "threats" it poses.  As I see it, you can do two things at your current point of your journey to get past those subconscious reactions.  

Option A: I don't give a fuck.  Stop caring.  Stop thinking about, wanting, caring about, trying for, hoping for, thinking about, giving a shit about, sex, relationships, women.

Option B: I refuse to deal with women in a sexual, relational, involved way.  This means that no matter what they do, you shut them down, stonewall them, avoid those things, ignore those things, and do something else.  There is NO chance of you trying, no matter what she does.  You have shut down and turned off your willingness to try, have sex, be involved, even if she throws it at you.

At some point in the future, you will probably get to a point where those are not necessary, but right now, that's how you're going to break your endless loop.

I'm fighting the ever-increasing anger and resentment building towards women. They just are not attracted for some reason. Period. I'm always the "great friend" and all that insulting BS. They feel just as impossible to get as ever. I have no idea why, feels futile.

You have to realize that you don't know when they're attracted and when they're not.  A woman who gives you her phone number without you asking is attracted.  A woman who ghosts you is not.  The issue you have is that you're doing things that keep women at bay, make them want to avoid you, make them want to friend zone you, etc.   These things are being done in ways you consciously don't see or realize, by your subconscious, because it thinks it has to "protect" itself (and the conscious you, who doesn't understand how evil and dangerous these damned women really are) from the very thing you consciously want.  I have seen many times your subconscious completely pull the wool over your conscious self.  It can dominate your conscious mind and manipulate your perceptions and awareness of reality and it does this every time you start making progress.  

You have to fix the root issue first.  Not get mad at women for acting the way you told them to act by your subconscious choices, actions and communications.  Women communicate about 80% through very subtle things that men don't usually even notice, especially without years of practice and effort.  I would bet good money that you are subconsciously communicating to them that you want them to stay away, because subconsciously, YOU DO want them to stay away.

Which leads us back to... you have to fix the root issue.  Which is the little boy who was so traumatized that he crystallized an awareness within your subconscious who is always trying to stop and prevent sex, to prevent having to experience that trauma again.  Which means the only way to get there is to clear out that fear and trauma.  Which you may have noticed that OF v2 is doing.  BUT!  To make this process go faster, you need to stop trying to get to sex, women, relationships until the process is finished.  Otherwise all that will happen is that you flare up that fear, lose progress and repeat the cycle.  That is why you need to choose one of and execute one of the following until you've finished clearing out that fear and trauma:

Option A: I don't give a fuck.  Stop caring.  Stop thinking about, wanting, caring about, trying for, hoping for, thinking about, giving a shit about, sex, relationships, women.  

Option B: I refuse to deal with women in a sexual, relational, involved way.  This means that no matter what they do, you shut them down, stonewall them, avoid those things, ignore those things, and do something else.  There is NO chance of you trying, no matter what she does.  You have shut down and turned off your willingness to try, have sex, be involved, even if she throws it at you.

You have to fix the problem FIRST.  Then you can worry about sex, women, relationships.

Anyway, all the best. Looking forward to hearing about whatever is made soon. I can't remember if it's NSFM or the secret one. Really hope DMSI R&D is yielding results. A part of me is just wondering if I don't have fear of girls, and if it's my self esteem that's destroyed with them, external validation issues with them because I do yearn for their interest as I've never had it before and want it for once in my life. Or if I just have PTSD about them. Given MY background with them...and my feelings and reactions to things with them, doesn't sound far off. It's like a "Sigh...*groan*...oh god here we go AGAIN..." whenever I start to like one. If I could just get some good things going with them, I know that'd go a long way to turn the tide and get me going as a NORMAL man. But that still seems impossible. I mean, in September I'll become a 40 year old virgin. Never had a girlfriend, never took a girl on a date, never kissed a girl. My god. What a pathetic embarrassment. This program can't come soon enough, maybe self esteem/confidence/removal of external validation will help this program.

Nobody who matters will care that you're a virgin at 40 or any other age.  Especially if they understand why.  So the only reason that matters is because you're worried about judgement by someone else, and those someone else's don't matter.  So stop worrying about being a virgin, and stop worrying about being a virgin at X age.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  It's not embarrassing unless you make it embarrassing by insisting that it is.  Stop comparing yourself to other people and trying to live according to other people's standards.  You are a very unusual man, and as such, you will have very unusual circumstances in your life.  You can only accurately compare yourself to you in the past.  Are you a better man than you were yesterday?  Great!  You're making progress.  Nobody else's "standards" matter.  You are you.  Understand that.  Accept that.  Live that.  

I'm working on NSFM right now.  Now that the disruptive cycle is finally past the last peak, it will take some time to stop killing my efforts (and believe me, it has done some crazy shit to my efforts since January 2019 when it started), but we will be making progress to DMSI as it fades away.  If you follow my advice, and use OF v2 while practicing Option A or B, DMSI will still be there for you when you are ready for it.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, any updates on programs being worked on?

I'm actually interested to know this as well. I know stage 7 of LTU is will be out (I'm assuming with the latest tech?) but would like to see how the que is looking like so I can plan accordingly. Last I heard NSFM was going to be the next. Not really interested in that one so would like to know what the possible next 2 subs after that one might be if he's been thinking that far ahead. Depending on what you can count on me to buy a copy to show my support even if I won't use it right away.

The way the cycle peak disrupted my life, my plans for Stage 7 were shot, and I was basically forced to deal with headaches and do not much of anything at all.  That has forced my hand for timing, so we are back to NSFM.  After that, Stage 7.  And then I'm going to start working on UMS v2 in the background and start looking at what to build next for selling in the shorter term.  We shall see.  I have to get further along first.

[Shannon]

@Shannon
One thing I am interested in and I hope it will be a part of the subliminals one day (maybe it already is):

As CatMan described his "story" I couldn't help but think "what if he somehow forgot about his past and just walks through the world without his past and burdens and thoughts from before". So somehow like a stone that fell on his had and let him forget about before, he still has all his talents and abilities. Pair that with a kind of confidence programming.

What could happen? He is no longer tied to his past and he just goes after the women he finds attractive and does not link every "fail" to his past, he does not take it personally, he might even think it is a game they want to play with him and he joins in.

But this was just meant as an example, you can exchange the persons and the goals here with nearly everything. There are people which past seems to be:
- I never was good with money, I never had money... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have money
- I was never good with women, I never had women... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have women
- I never was good with people, people don't like me... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will be good with people
- I never was a successful person, I never had success... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have success

So if we, with the help of the subliminal, can make a break with the past story we can start a new story for the future that is independent from what happened.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work, as far as I have been able to determine.  That idea is not new to me.  I tried that in various different ways.  The subconscious is far too complex for the answer to be that simple, as far as I can tell.

[dragonslayer]

Hi Shannon, any updates on programs being worked on?

I'm actually interested to know this as well. I know stage 7 of LTU is will be out (I'm assuming with the latest tech?) but would like to see how the que is looking like so I can plan accordingly. Last I heard NSFM was going to be the next. Not really interested in that one so would like to know what the possible next 2 subs after that one might be if he's been thinking that far ahead. Depending on what you can count on me to buy a copy to show my support even if I won't use it right away.

And then I'm going to start working on UMS v2 in the background and start looking at what to build next for selling in the shorter term..

@Shannon will there be an upgrade to Maximum Learning Speed? After UMS v2? I'm thinking of getting MLS 5.5g after I finish OF v2.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, any updates on programs being worked on?

I'm actually interested to know this as well. I know stage 7 of LTU is will be out (I'm assuming with the latest tech?) but would like to see how the que is looking like so I can plan accordingly. Last I heard NSFM was going to be the next. Not really interested in that one so would like to know what the possible next 2 subs after that one might be if he's been thinking that far ahead. Depending on what you can count on me to buy a copy to show my support even if I won't use it right away.

And then I'm going to start working on UMS v2 in the background and start looking at what to build next for selling in the shorter term..

@Shannon will there be an upgrade to Maximum Learning Speed? After UMS v2? I'm thinking of getting MLS 5.5g after I finish OF v2.

It is one of the subs I am seriously considering, but I am too busy to finalize the specifics that would make the decision one way or the other right now.  So hold on a bit for further word on that.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon's quote!!
"The way the cycle peak disrupted my life, my plans for Stage 7 were shot, and I was basically forced to deal with headaches and do not much of anything at all. That has forced my hand for timing, so we are back to NSFM. After that, Stage 7. And then I'm going to start working on UMS v2 in the background and start looking at what to build next for selling in the shorter term. We shall see. I have to get further along first."

Me: Yes Yes and HELL YES!! does a 20 second Scottish Sword Dance Jig ,Followed by a 20 second American Indian,Pow wow Stomp Dance.... even if its in the only a sketch rough draft on the black board....its still being considered,that is UMS v2. I get it, working in the background,ect...yes.... well
two things I have to say about that Mister:
#1) The Road to a thousand Miles begins with One Step!!

& # 2) Shoot for the Moon, if ya miss you'll hit some stars

Oh one more thing, from what I've just recently heard on the wire, From Mid February on,its supposed to be way way better as to where things will start to clear up more.. any more specifics and I'd be crossing the line with Rule # 4.
T'ain't doin' nit !
Thanks for da Up shot. again I know I know UMSv2 is quite a ways off....even still its gonna be built some time this year and from the sound of it out by May's end/end of Spring,which is technically in June!! ( 5 months from now!!)
One can hope. Cheers.