09-24-2020, 12:58 PM
Please indulge me @Shannon with some discussion, I think I understand your point well, but you may not understand mine.
Future is uncertain, just as past and present are. I know I was fine and I am fine, but I don't know if I will be fine. There is no path that will 100% guarantee everything will be fine as I'd like it. This is what I mean. Of course, assuming free will is true (and I believe there is free will and our choices are not preordained), we control the outcome. But we are uncertain what that outcome may be.
I'm inclined to agree. I have my opinions but I think there are not important here. Time is not linear though, that much is hard to argue against.
Just like Feynman's path integral formulation of quantum mechanics. Again, nothing I'd argue against.
You control the future but you don't know the future, not consciously you don't. And that's my point. You can make a choice to go left or right but you do not necessarily know what will be at the end of that route. That's what makes me anxious, or at least I think it does. Not lack of control but disappointment even when you'd say you did everything right.
You cannot know the future, that would violate free will. You may know the most probable future but this is not the same. You know astrology, right? Is one slave to their horoscope or can it be overcome using free will? Yeah, exactly.
This is why I wanted to write lengthy response. You cannot CHOOSE to believe. You simply believe. You can modify your beliefs through effort (meditation, learning, observation, experiments etc.) but this is not a choice. I cannot choose to believe in Ahura Mazda all of the sudden. Or that if I wish it strong enough all my dreams will come true - if that were the case the trivial LOA stuff would do wonders (and it can, but it takes more than simply believing). For example all my life I believed I cannot be fit. Then, through effort, I changed this belief and started to lose weight seemingly effortlessly. But it was not a choice, it was a long process.
And belief is important as 99% of choices are made subconsciously, conscious mind mostly serves to justify already made decisions. There is strong will of course, but that's another story.
I think I don't need to respond to the further text as it's just explaining previous points. So, in short again, I don't say I'm powerless and at mercy when it comes to my future. It's that I don't know consequences of my choices. I may try my very best and fail and knowing this it's easy not to try. Who wants to be Don Kichote fighting the windmills?
So, once again - future is uncertain, not uncontrollable. It was a poor choice of words (I used both).
If you consider me fatalist and find my reasoning flowed (and my defense just an act when lies are all I've got) feel free to point them out to me. I ain't gonna better myself if I don't learn.
Quote:The future cannot be controlled? Now there's a faulty belief if I ever saw one. Understanding that, and why it is faulty, will likely help you disconnect from a lot of fear.
Future is uncertain, just as past and present are. I know I was fine and I am fine, but I don't know if I will be fine. There is no path that will 100% guarantee everything will be fine as I'd like it. This is what I mean. Of course, assuming free will is true (and I believe there is free will and our choices are not preordained), we control the outcome. But we are uncertain what that outcome may be.
Quote:First, I will state that time is an illusion precipitated upon your conscious mind by the limits of your conscious mind and your physical nervous system. They simply cannot handle, nor easily comprehend, how things really work. As you go deeper into the subconscious, you find that it perceives time as less and less of a "point of now" (as the "conscious" mind perceives it) and more and more of a "smear centered on the point of now the "conscious" mind experiences as 'time in the now'". In other words, as you go deeper and deeper into the subconscious you find that it experiences as "now" what the "conscious" mind thinks is the past and future. If this were not so, then TID could not happen. I'm not making this up, this is the result of research and experiments over decades.
I'm inclined to agree. I have my opinions but I think there are not important here. Time is not linear though, that much is hard to argue against.
Quote:Every moment of time, you have a choice as to what you will do in response to whatever stimulus you are experiencing. This choice exists on all of your levels of awareness, from "conscious" to "subconscious" to "superconscious". This choice is what determines what you do, which in turn determines the probability you experience, and thus what your "experienced reality" is and becomes.
For example, if you choose in the heat of the moment to pull the trigger on a criminal who is trying to mug you, you will experience the probability line that results from it, and each moment you alter that probability with more choices in response to the stimulus you experience in each moment. You might hit the criminal and kill them, and then face a lengthy court case to determine your innocence, during which your choices and actions may lead you out of the court room with an exoneration, or as a prisoner bound for a life sentence in prison. If you choose not to pull the trigger, you may end up getting shot by the thug and dying, or having the thug report you playing the victim of "some maniac with a gun pointed at me" or have the rest of the day be very uneventful.
An infinite number of possibilities extend from that one moment in which you make the decision to either draw your gun or not, and then if you did, to either pull the trigger or not. What you actually experience depends on what you are most likely to choose, which is what probability lines are: lines of result from probable choices, not just possible ones.
Just like Feynman's path integral formulation of quantum mechanics. Again, nothing I'd argue against.
Quote:You control your future by what you choose to do in response to the stimulus you experience a hundred times a second and more. You control your future by what you choose to believe is true, because those beliefs are what will shape the resulting decisions and the actions that in turn result from them.
There are of course circumstances you cannot control in your future. For example, you're not likely to do much about changing your genes in certain ways. But even that is becoming less and less set in stone.
You control the future but you don't know the future, not consciously you don't. And that's my point. You can make a choice to go left or right but you do not necessarily know what will be at the end of that route. That's what makes me anxious, or at least I think it does. Not lack of control but disappointment even when you'd say you did everything right.
You cannot know the future, that would violate free will. You may know the most probable future but this is not the same. You know astrology, right? Is one slave to their horoscope or can it be overcome using free will? Yeah, exactly.
Quote:It's all about what you choose to believe, and what those beliefs cause you to conclude is the best choice of action and reaction for each moment of stimulus.
This is why I wanted to write lengthy response. You cannot CHOOSE to believe. You simply believe. You can modify your beliefs through effort (meditation, learning, observation, experiments etc.) but this is not a choice. I cannot choose to believe in Ahura Mazda all of the sudden. Or that if I wish it strong enough all my dreams will come true - if that were the case the trivial LOA stuff would do wonders (and it can, but it takes more than simply believing). For example all my life I believed I cannot be fit. Then, through effort, I changed this belief and started to lose weight seemingly effortlessly. But it was not a choice, it was a long process.
And belief is important as 99% of choices are made subconsciously, conscious mind mostly serves to justify already made decisions. There is strong will of course, but that's another story.
I think I don't need to respond to the further text as it's just explaining previous points. So, in short again, I don't say I'm powerless and at mercy when it comes to my future. It's that I don't know consequences of my choices. I may try my very best and fail and knowing this it's easy not to try. Who wants to be Don Kichote fighting the windmills?
So, once again - future is uncertain, not uncontrollable. It was a poor choice of words (I used both).
If you consider me fatalist and find my reasoning flowed (and my defense just an act when lies are all I've got) feel free to point them out to me. I ain't gonna better myself if I don't learn.
For not by numbers of men, nor by measure of body, but by valor of soul is war to be decided.
~Belisarius, the last Roman
Certitude is for the puzzle-box logicians and girls of white glamour [...]. I am a letter written in uncertainty.
~36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 4
~Belisarius, the last Roman
Certitude is for the puzzle-box logicians and girls of white glamour [...]. I am a letter written in uncertainty.
~36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 4