Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Alright, I see an opportunity here.  I'm trying to get the most precise variable to be this.  I have found it almost impossible to achieve a correct communication of what the best volume is.  Can you show me how to do that better and more accurately?  I was attempting to use Db but that is different depending on where the microphone speaker combination is on the phone.  What do I do to accurately and consistently communicate a specific volume that works for everyone on every device with all the different possible numbers of volume adjustment layers?

More than complaining you don't provide a precise volume instructions, I was complaining you sometimes reply to your (good and loyal) customers like if they were children/stupid. And with this response you just did again.

So, you, that know infinitely more than me about subliminals and digital audio, after thinking countless time more than me about what's the best approach on how to communicate what the best volume is, you reached the conclusion the best way is to write down "iPhone 10/16 clicks".

OK, I agree. It's the best approximation. It's the best and more clear way for your customers. But it's an approximation. It's only an absolute value for the model you made the testing with, probably some years ago. For any other hardware different than you made the testing with, it's not absolute. This same "10/16" between iPhone X and an iPhone 16 can has a 50% difference. I think we can agree on this, right?

So, if a (good and loyal) customer of you asks:

Let's say I want to use this playlist every night when I go to sleep

1. 1 hour silent track
   
2. 1 hour silent track
   
3. OSC (20 min)
   
4. DRS 6G
   
5. DRS 6G
   

The only problem I see is the recommended volume. I have an IPhone, so:
- Recommended volume for OSC is 10/16
- Recommended volume for DRSv2 is 6/16

So what would be my best approach..... 8/16 (the middle)???

You have two options.
1- Reply to this person as he was stupid:

Why do you think these volumes are recommended?  If they were only "recommendations", it would not be necessary for me to spend so much time and energy figuring them out to that level of specificity.  These are not recommendations.  That is the volume at which they should be used.

2- Reply as this person is an adult:

The volumes I provide are the best aproximation I can do, but in reality I have no fucking idea at what volume (dB) are you listening to them, because there are infinite hardware combinations.
Why don't you listen to OSC before going to bed as it's only 20 min and don't ask stupid questions in the forum?
Anyway, as maybe in the future it's not only 20 min, but many loops, despite not being the best scenario,  if it's the only way you can listen to them uninterrupted, the best approach would be:
a) Set the lower volume of both
b) Set the loudest volume of both
c) Set the middle volume between both of them.

I encourage to don't use this method, but I understand you are asking this because your life doesn't allow you to use the recommended way, and not because you want I lose time in the forum.

Thank you.

I'm not trying to respond as if you're a child.  I don't even understand what you mean when you say I have "done it again".  I'm trying to express frustration that nobody seems to want to follow the directions.  When you pointed out to me why, and it made sense, I asked for help.  Because you're an engineer and you appear to be aware of something I am not aware of.  And because I realize I don't know everything.

I think we can both agree that it doesn't matter how much more I know about subliminals than you if on this very important point, I don't have enough knowledge.  My best efforts have resulted in, as you out it, an "approximation". 

I am trying to make sure everyone gets the best possible results, and it has become very apparent that the volume is important.  There are always specific volumes that do better than others.  I buy one phone, and use one brand, and I try to be sp specific as I can with the knowledge that experience provides me.  But it makes sense that there would be significant differences in volume between models and levels of qualitty, so I suppose my best efforts are going to have to be and remain an approximation.

The problem with this is, this only feeds into the "do whatever I want" mindset that a lot of the younger users have when it comes to following the directions, and they end up asking me why they don't get good results when they're using it WAY the hell too loud, or why they get tinnitus when they're listening to ultrasonic with headphones.  Or they do some other dumb thing, because they didn't bother to read or follow the directions.  You don't necessarily see it, but we deal with this a LOT.  So it's frustrating.

I'm just trying to be specific with volume.