Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[myth]

I have had Andrew explain this to me 3 times within the last 10 years as to why we don't have that, and every time he tells me it doesn't matter and why it doesn't matter, but I never remember it when the time comes to explain it to customers.  Every time he does, it makes perfect sense, and there is a good reason it's not https.  Unfortunately, he's not available to explain it.  However, I don't think that's going to be an issue for much longer regardless.

Oh, you've had https available for years, although the secure certificate hasn't always been renewed promptly when it expires. It usually works fine, but given this post here, it seems like the SSL certificate was probably renewed last April and probably just expired recently, after that year was up.

I'd guess that Andrew's point about not really needing it would be that 1) most customers are worried about billing info security, 2) Paypal's site is where customers provide billing info, and 3) Paypal has https. And, yeah, if secure billing info were my only concern, I'd have already preordered OF v3 by now.

But, no, it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

[rarus426]

@Shannon

Thank you for making MLS 4.0. So far the sub is extremely helpful. I am looking for a suggestion regarding what will be the ideal steps to do between the runs of MLS. I am currently in first run,6th cycle of MLS 4.0. Based on the product description:

Recommended number of run-throughs: 3 (Three)
Optimal time off required between run-throughs for best results: 6 (six) weeks.

I am interested in using OF V3. Do you recommend to not using any subliminal for 6 weeks to rest my mind or can I use OF V3 before my second run? Thank you.

[fab10]

it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

It is indeed concerning that login details could be stolen and used to download all our purchases. I doubt that would trigger the anti-privacy script but it would be a huge damage to IML (because if someone goes through the trouble of illegally accessing IML accounts, you can be sure all the subs will be on the black market in a matter of hours.) It would be a lot of pain for the affected users as well, who will have to prove that it wasn’t their responsibility.

[Darwin]

Thanks Shannon. It's clear you have a level of insight into things that can't be elaborated too much in a public forum. Can I ask what led you to the understanding you have? was it teachers, books, realisations through your work?

And how would someone like me progress along a path of better understanding?

I have experience, teachers, those who guide and advise me, books, observations, contemplation, a good brain, some interesting memories and more to account for my current level of understanding.  Many things contributed.  Nobody is an island, and nobody is just one thing, or the result of just one thing.

Progressing along the path to better, deeper and higher levels of understanding is done as you might expect.  Seek out sources of knowledge and wisdom.  Seek out useful experiences.  But first and most importantly, seek out how to know what is true, vs what is misunderstood, vs what is partially true, vs what is wholly untrue vs. what is intended to mislead through partial or whole untruth.  That is the most difficult and important part of your journey.  Discerning the truth.

Remember that there is only one living being in the entirety of existence, and with that knowledge, treat that being well.  Be kind, understanding, loving, forgiving and wise.  Seek to make this world a better place when you leave it than when you arrived.  Attune yourself to love and positive energy.  That will attract to you what and who you need to advance.  When you are lost, ask for guidance.  When you are experiencing abundance, use your abundance to make the world better.  Teach the hungry man to fish instead of giving him a fish.  Empower yourself and others.  Resist the urge to pettiness and selfishness.  See money for what it really is.  Understand greed, fear and hate.  Know how to heal and neutralize them.  Do so.  Heal and forgive yourself, that you may know how to heal and forgive others.  Be patient with those who refuse your help.  Be patient with yourself.  Allow yourself to make mistakes, but always learn from and improve from your mistakes, and never make them again.  Be the change you wish to see in the world.  Be as water when necessary, and as granite when necessary.  Contemplate your self, know yourself, master yourself.  Pass on what you understand, and help others advance.  Teaching is the best way to learn.  And attune yourself to what you seek and what you wish to experience.

Hopefully, this gives you some wind at your back.

Thanks Shannon. A while back I asked for a sub which was aimed exactly at truth. More than discerning what is true externally, being able to discern what is true in my consciousness and being able to assert that truth, to live in honest accord with consciousness. 

It's because when I make Truth my highest motive, all the neuroticism and madness of my life fades away and I'm able to have a real life. I'm able to love, work, and enjoy my life with clarity.

Of course I'd like to experience wealth, abundance, status - all of which have eluded me so far, but more than anything I'd like to be truly strong and independent, which is the other thing that comes out of practicing truth.  S

Probably the most important thing I want is to not come to the end of my life with regrets. Right now in my late 30s I look back and find that whilst I have many blessings I've limited my potential through fear, laziness and non-clarity and I want very much for whatever life I have remaining to be spent in real consciousness which is another way of saying I want to live in truth., and provide my family with with the role model they deserve. 

I'm not sure if my idea of a truth sub is right, but it is clear from my experience and what you've said about discerning truth being the most important part of this journey (i'm going to extend and say generally the journey of life) that I'm on to somthing. 

If you want to really teach us to fish, then the best tools seem to be truth (consciousness), love and some kind of self assertion power (such as finding somthing to take responsibility for in improving our part of the world). Do you agree?

[GreekGod22]

it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

It is indeed concerning that login details could be stolen and used to download all our purchases. I doubt that would trigger the anti-privacy script but it would be a huge damage to IML (because if someone goes through the trouble of illegally accessing IML accounts, you can be sure all the subs will be on the black market in a matter of hours.) It would be a lot of pain for the affected users as well, who will have to prove that it wasn’t their responsibility.

I download my subs once on my laptop, locally. I then upload the locally saved files to my Google Drive, just to have a safe backup space. I also download the files from my Google Drive to my phone.
I hope this doesn't trigger any kind of anti-piracy mechanism.

[ffaux]

If I’m looking to pre-order OFv3, should I stop using v1 now to give myself a break? How much of a break do you recommend?

[myth]

it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

It is indeed concerning that login details could be stolen and used to download all our purchases. I doubt that would trigger the anti-privacy script but it would be a huge damage to IML (because if someone goes through the trouble of illegally accessing IML accounts, you can be sure all the subs will be on the black market in a matter of hours.) It would be a lot of pain for the affected users as well, who will have to prove that it wasn’t their responsibility.

Yeah, sorry, in my struggle to remain concise, my emphasis may have landed awkwardly. My thoughts were about IML first, for exactly those reasons, and about the potentially compromised user second. The reference to the anti-piracy scripting was an afterthought (last in the list), not a primary concern, and you're probably right. One would hope that the scripting already accounts for various cases of theft, compromise, or loss (phones, laptops, tablets, usb sticks, MP3 players, remote backup storage, etc), many of which are beyond the user's knowledge or control.

Still, I do take personal responsibility for choices resulting in avoidable losses and for the methods that I choose for storing/accessing the files, which is why my preference has been to log in (for either purchase or download) with https (if available). But we don't have much time before OF v3's introductory price ends, so, while I'd hope for https to be a selectable option (as it has been in the past) before that window of opportunity is over, it sounds like it may not be.

[Shannon]

I have had Andrew explain this to me 3 times within the last 10 years as to why we don't have that, and every time he tells me it doesn't matter and why it doesn't matter, but I never remember it when the time comes to explain it to customers.  Every time he does, it makes perfect sense, and there is a good reason it's not https.  Unfortunately, he's not available to explain it.  However, I don't think that's going to be an issue for much longer regardless.

Oh, you've had https available for years, although the secure certificate hasn't always been renewed promptly when it expires. It usually works fine, but given this post here, it seems like the SSL certificate was probably renewed last April and probably just expired recently, after that year was up.

I'd guess that Andrew's point about not really needing it would be that 1) most customers are worried about billing info security, 2) Paypal's site is where customers provide billing info, and 3) Paypal has https. And, yeah, if secure billing info were my only concern, I'd have already preordered OF v3 by now.

But, no, it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

Andrew had a good logical response to this as well, and of course I don't remember what it was because it's been years.  

This "issue" - I don't really know and remember enough about the technical details to know if it is actually an issue - will not be around for much longer, but the time frame is out of my hands to some degree.  

In the case that someone intercepted and stole your login details, and then started pirating your purchases, the anti-piracy code would not trigger for you unless you had committed piracy.  If you're just the receiver of a hack and the hacker then commits piracy, the scripting would trigger for them and those who use the program that was hacked.  Not you.  Getting hacked and involuntarily losing control of your login details =! piracy.  The anti-piracy code fully considers personal responsibility.  Piracy is a choice.  Those who make that choice trigger it, even if they don't think of it as piracy.  Those who do not make that choice are unaffected, because without making that choice, you're not going to commit piracy!

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Thank you for making MLS 4.0. So far the sub is extremely helpful. I am looking for a suggestion regarding what will be the ideal steps to do between the runs of MLS. I am currently in first run,6th cycle of MLS 4.0. Based on the product description:

Recommended number of run-throughs: 3 (Three)
Optimal time off required between run-throughs for best results: 6 (six) weeks.

I am interested in using OF V3. Do you recommend to not using any subliminal for 6 weeks to rest my mind or can I use OF V3 before my second run? Thank you.

First, I recommend that you finish your run of MLS v3 first.  Second, the optimal time off is not just for resting, it's for continuing MLS v3 and being eligible for a refund.  If you don't care about a refund, and you don't want to continue using MLS beyond this point right now, then 2-3 weeks of rest should suffice.

[Shannon]

it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

It is indeed concerning that login details could be stolen and used to download all our purchases. I doubt that would trigger the anti-privacy script but it would be a huge damage to IML (because if someone goes through the trouble of illegally accessing IML accounts, you can be sure all the subs will be on the black market in a matter of hours.) It would be a lot of pain for the affected users as well, who will have to prove that it wasn’t their responsibility.

As I stated above, that is not the case.  If the AP code triggered when you got hacked and the hacker pirated your stuff, it would be about like charging a mugging victim for being an accomplice in a mugging.  It would make no sense.  AP code only triggers if you commit piracy.  It doesn't matter what fancy name you call it to convince yourself it's not piracy, or what lies you tell yourself that it's not "really" causing anyone any issues, etc. The act of piracy will trigger it.  But having your credentials stolen and used by someone else to commit piracy?  Not happening.  YOU did not commit piracy.

[UniversalMan]

Preordered OFv3!!!!

[JustAnotherLeader]

@Shannon, Since you are focused on OF and already doing a great job, I can't pass without sharing this one quote I came across today. You may already know and implemented this method, but here it comes anyway;

“The professional learns to recognize envy-driven criticism and to take it for what it is: the supreme compliment.”

This might help with one of Napoleon Hill's basic fears; Fear of Criticism.
And the book "War of Art" seems good for overcoming resistance in general. Give it a shot if you haven't already read it

https://www.amazon.com/War-Art-Winning-C...1501260626.

[Shannon]

Thanks Shannon. It's clear you have a level of insight into things that can't be elaborated too much in a public forum. Can I ask what led you to the understanding you have? was it teachers, books, realisations through your work?

And how would someone like me progress along a path of better understanding?

I have experience, teachers, those who guide and advise me, books, observations, contemplation, a good brain, some interesting memories and more to account for my current level of understanding.  Many things contributed.  Nobody is an island, and nobody is just one thing, or the result of just one thing.

Progressing along the path to better, deeper and higher levels of understanding is done as you might expect.  Seek out sources of knowledge and wisdom.  Seek out useful experiences.  But first and most importantly, seek out how to know what is true, vs what is misunderstood, vs what is partially true, vs what is wholly untrue vs. what is intended to mislead through partial or whole untruth.  That is the most difficult and important part of your journey.  Discerning the truth.

Remember that there is only one living being in the entirety of existence, and with that knowledge, treat that being well.  Be kind, understanding, loving, forgiving and wise.  Seek to make this world a better place when you leave it than when you arrived.  Attune yourself to love and positive energy.  That will attract to you what and who you need to advance.  When you are lost, ask for guidance.  When you are experiencing abundance, use your abundance to make the world better.  Teach the hungry man to fish instead of giving him a fish.  Empower yourself and others.  Resist the urge to pettiness and selfishness.  See money for what it really is.  Understand greed, fear and hate.  Know how to heal and neutralize them.  Do so.  Heal and forgive yourself, that you may know how to heal and forgive others.  Be patient with those who refuse your help.  Be patient with yourself.  Allow yourself to make mistakes, but always learn from and improve from your mistakes, and never make them again.  Be the change you wish to see in the world.  Be as water when necessary, and as granite when necessary.  Contemplate your self, know yourself, master yourself.  Pass on what you understand, and help others advance.  Teaching is the best way to learn.  And attune yourself to what you seek and what you wish to experience.

Hopefully, this gives you some wind at your back.

Thanks Shannon. A while back I asked for a sub which was aimed exactly at truth. More than discerning what is true externally, being able to discern what is true in my consciousness and being able to assert that truth, to live in honest accord with consciousness. 

It's because when I make Truth my highest motive, all the neuroticism and madness of my life fades away and I'm able to have a real life. I'm able to love, work, and enjoy my life with clarity.

Of course I'd like to experience wealth, abundance, status - all of which have eluded me so far, but more than anything I'd like to be truly strong and independent, which is the other thing that comes out of practicing truth.  S

Probably the most important thing I want is to not come to the end of my life with regrets. Right now in my late 30s I look back and find that whilst I have many blessings I've limited my potential through fear, laziness and non-clarity and I want very much for whatever life I have remaining to be spent in real consciousness which is another way of saying I want to live in truth., and provide my family with with the role model they deserve. 

I'm not sure if my idea of a truth sub is right, but it is clear from my experience and what you've said about discerning truth being the most important part of this journey (i'm going to extend and say generally the journey of life) that I'm on to somthing. 

If you want to really teach us to fish, then the best tools seem to be truth (consciousness), love and some kind of self assertion power (such as finding somthing to take responsibility for in improving our part of the world). Do you agree?

Thse are valid ideas.  There are others as well, if you look for them.

[Shannon]

it's the Subliminal Shop logins that we perform in order to purchase or download that still needs the https around. With only http, we're sending plaintext usernames and passwords, which, if sniffed by a middle man (I could describe in more detail, but I'd rather not), might allow that middle man access to download the compromised user's files, redistribute them, and activate the anti-piracy scripting that we've all spent years listening to. That's what I'm concerned about, not billing security.

It is indeed concerning that login details could be stolen and used to download all our purchases. I doubt that would trigger the anti-privacy script but it would be a huge damage to IML (because if someone goes through the trouble of illegally accessing IML accounts, you can be sure all the subs will be on the black market in a matter of hours.) It would be a lot of pain for the affected users as well, who will have to prove that it wasn’t their responsibility.

I download my subs once on my laptop, locally. I then upload the locally saved files to my Google Drive, just to have a safe backup space. I also download the files from my Google Drive to my phone.
I hope this doesn't trigger any kind of anti-piracy mechanism.

That is not piracy.  That's making backups and fair use.