Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[fab10]

How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design.  

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.

Seriously!!!

Back in MY day...we had 4G and 5G...and I listened often up to 21 hours per day...vastly changing my routine to max the sub usage...uphill...barefeet...in the snow...both ways...blah blah.

#BoomerUser

Being a single man, or knowing subs with limiter couldn't affect partners or children, listening for multiple hours per day wouldn't be a problem at all.  For me now, it would come down to how long I had to wear headphones or earbuds.  It becomes quite uncomfortable after awhile.  I don't mind listening while sleeping, at all, but I "lost" my second pair of Cozyphones recently (seriously, two pairs I can't find in my whole frickin' house), and listening through big-ass Sennheisers all night hurts.  Anyway, time isn't an issue, really, but there are certain situations where it's a PITA.

True but having sh*tty emotional or physical health, sh*tty finances, sh*tty love life and sh*tty luck is also a PITA!

[fab10]

I apologize for posting the same answers several times, it wasn’t my intention but a technical problem. I haven’t been able to delete my duplicated posts. Apologies to the admins who will have to remove my duplicated posts. And this one.

[fab10]

Question for Shannon:
Beside the long term effect, is there some kind of in-the-moment boost when listening to DRS? Would it be a good idea to run DRS when facing (potential) attacks? Either as one-off or planning the daily listening session around the time a “dangerous” situation might take place?

[Benjamin]

How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design.  

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.

Seriously!!!

Back in MY day...we had 4G and 5G...and I listened often up to 21 hours per day...vastly changing my routine to max the sub usage...uphill...barefeet...in the snow...both ways...blah blah.

#BoomerUser

Being a single man, or knowing subs with limiter couldn't affect partners or children, listening for multiple hours per day wouldn't be a problem at all.  For me now, it would come down to how long I had to wear headphones or earbuds.  It becomes quite uncomfortable after awhile.  I don't mind listening while sleeping, at all, but I "lost" my second pair of Cozyphones recently (seriously, two pairs I can't find in my whole frickin' house), and listening through big-ass Sennheisers all night hurts.  Anyway, time isn't an issue, really, but there are certain situations where it's a PITA.

Yeah I was thinking about it more after posting yesterday and there are some situations that make it difficult like that. Especially not being able to expose women to AM. And using headphones for 8 hours it's very difficult to sleep.

[Benjamin]

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.  

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

Ah, here lies the rub.  That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.  

There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world.  There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors.  Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it.  The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want!  So have fun."

It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals.  That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.  

So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results.  If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else?  Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.

I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.

At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format.  If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions.  I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage.  We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them.  Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one.  This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers.  (Banned from the forum and the store.)

Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them.  Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.

I'm not going to keep doing that.  

So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be.  We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers.  If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.

The solution seems easy to me: each customer can only buy one level when at least xx days have passed since purchasing the previous level. Money back only applies to level 1. (If one purchases advanced levels they are implicitly accepting that level 1 worked for them and they are willing to commit for the long run.)

Not a bad idea, but in practice might be more difficult as it's likely something i'd have to do manually, checking if they brought the first stage, if they used it, then sending them a link to the second to purchase, not sure how or if it could be done in an easy way.

[fab10]

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.  

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

Ah, here lies the rub.  That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.  

There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world.  There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors.  Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it.  The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want!  So have fun."

It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals.  That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.  

So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results.  If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else?  Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.

I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.

At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format.  If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions.  I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage.  We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them.  Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one.  This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers.  (Banned from the forum and the store.)

Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them.  Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.

I'm not going to keep doing that.  

So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be.  We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers.  If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.

The solution seems easy to me: each customer can only buy one level when at least xx days have passed since purchasing the previous level. Money back only applies to level 1. (If one purchases advanced levels they are implicitly accepting that level 1 worked for them and they are willing to commit for the long run.)

Not a bad idea, but in practice might be more difficult as it's likely something i'd have to do manually, checking if they brought the first stage, if they used it, then sending them a link to the second to purchase, not sure how or if it could be done in an easy way.

If that is too much work, you could implement the policy only for lvl 7, which is where the real problem is.

[fab10]

How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design.  

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.

Seriously!!!

Back in MY day...we had 4G and 5G...and I listened often up to 21 hours per day...vastly changing my routine to max the sub usage...uphill...barefeet...in the snow...both ways...blah blah.

#BoomerUser

Being a single man, or knowing subs with limiter couldn't affect partners or children, listening for multiple hours per day wouldn't be a problem at all.  For me now, it would come down to how long I had to wear headphones or earbuds.  It becomes quite uncomfortable after awhile.  I don't mind listening while sleeping, at all, but I "lost" my second pair of Cozyphones recently (seriously, two pairs I can't find in my whole frickin' house), and listening through big-ass Sennheisers all night hurts.  Anyway, time isn't an issue, really, but there are certain situations where it's a PITA.

Yeah I was thinking about it more after posting yesterday and there are some situations that make it difficult like that. Especially not being able to expose women to AM. And using headphones for 8 hours it's very difficult to sleep.

The instructions state

completely safe to use in the presence of women

[Have at ye]

Question for Shannon:
Beside the long term effect, is there some kind of in-the-moment boost when listening to DRS? Would it be a good idea to run DRS when facing (potential) attacks? Either as one-off or planning the daily listening session around the time a “dangerous” situation might take place?

I do that and more.

Whenever I feel, "hmm, feels like something's awry!" I run a loop of the DRS. I also run a loop of DRS just in case when about to interact with a person I know is tantrum-prone or such, preemptively.

I won't be advising anyone to disregard the instructions, but if your gut tells you, "hmm, feels like I could use some more DRS right about now" (listening to it in-the-moment gives your subC a clear signal to keep funneling energy into maintaining the shield, right now, as far as I can tell), then it shouldn't hurt all that much to try.

[ncbeareatingman]

Question for Shannon:
Beside the long term effect, is there some kind of in-the-moment boost when listening to DRS? Would it be a good idea to run DRS when facing (potential) attacks? Either as one-off or planning the daily listening session around the time a “dangerous” situation might take place?

I do that and more.

Whenever I feel, "hmm, feels like something's awry!" I run a loop of the DRS. I also run a loop of DRS just in case when about to interact with a person I know is tantrum-prone or such, preemptively.

I won't be advising anyone to disregard the instructions, but if your gut tells you, "hmm, feels like I could use some more DRS right about now" (listening to it in-the-moment gives your subC a clear signal to keep funneling energy into maintaining the shield, right now, as far as I can tell), then it shouldn't hurt all that much to try.

 I do the same thing...after 3 weeks of running according to instruction,I found in my current and on going situation that I needed to run it 'accordingly',as to whats needed,in my case thats "often'. generally I run DRS for 5 days on and 2 off,but the reality is its more like everyday at least one loop if not two but no more than that. I agree with Fab10 and da Fab four,too! ha!!

[Shannon]

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.  

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

Ah, here lies the rub.  That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.  

There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world.  There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors.  Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it.  The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want!  So have fun."

It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals.  That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.  

So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results.  If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else?  Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.

I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.

At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format.  If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions.  I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage.  We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them.  Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one.  This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers.  (Banned from the forum and the store.)

Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them.  Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.

I'm not going to keep doing that.  

So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be.  We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers.  If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.

The solution seems easy to me: each customer can only buy one level when at least xx days have passed since purchasing the previous level. Money back only applies to level 1. (If one purchases advanced levels they are implicitly accepting that level 1 worked for them and they are willing to commit for the long run.)

Regardless of how this is implemented,. if it is implemented with manual intervention, that would potentially mean having to interact with hundreds or even thousands of customers for that action unless we automate it.  And I don't see an option right now for automating it.

[Shannon]

Question for Shannon:
Beside the long term effect, is there some kind of in-the-moment boost when listening to DRS? Would it be a good idea to run DRS when facing (potential) attacks? Either as one-off or planning the daily listening session around the time a “dangerous” situation might take place?

Yes.  Yes.  Yes.

DRS starts working immediately, and you'll usually start consciously noticing a difference within a few minutes to about 45 minutes, depending on variables, and most frequently in 20 minutes or less.  The instructions are for "most people" and "most situations".  I want you to follow the instructions, but in the case of DRS, if you need more exposure than that, feel free!

[ncbeareatingman]

Somebody's quote & Shannon's quote
" Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.
Shannin,s response:
"It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way. "

Somebody else's Quote:
"And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step."

Me:
Im sorry but IM thrilled that its ONLY 32 days per stage,it could've been 45 'er 60 days per stage!!
#2) Additionally- when subs were in 3G and 4G we used to have to listen to them for hours on end and days & weeks on end and many appreciated some such subs that actually WORKED as such, to me that wasnt that long ago!
#3) B.A.M.M. when I bought it even thought it 'back fired" in some ways,much different technology than 5.75G for shure. I never once though about a refund,I jumped in with all fours and committed to using it for as long as I could. today isa different story. IM an sooo grateful this day for such technology and what all it can do for all of us.... Shannon plans to complete 6G sometime before the years out! Thats like,to me,heading out into the Cosmos in a UFO....previously it was a horse n bugy, to a model A to a model T,Crovette and then slipped streamed on into a Maserati ,ect.... I dont mind that good stuff at all. the longer it take the better the tech's gonna be,like Griffin said. Im really diggin it,its gonna help cut my suffering in half or greater on so many levels. good friday/weekend!!

[Shannon]

I'm trying to get it done this year. It may get finished sometime next year. But I'm tryin'.

[Omni3]

Eyes on the target!!!