Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Chris P. Bacon]

Shannon what caused you to put DRS in MIR?

[Shannon]

From what I've been learning, the way to grt rid of fear (and the real way anything is truly learned from it) is to fully experience it. To "process" the fear and discharge it by fully experiencing it. If you're trying to get rid of it, the best way out is through.

That is not the case.  At least, it is not universally the case.  I have not verified that it is not the case at all, but my research and experiments have so far showed that that is one way to deal with it, which may be effective for some people, but not everyone; for some it can be very damaging, and for some it would lead to death from an overload of fear.  It is possible to die of fright.  

In fact, I think that's the only way out, and if you get out anybother way, I think what happens is you just manifest another traumatic situation like the one that created the fear un the first place so you can experience it like you refused to the last time. Only way to learn the hidden lesson it has to teach. So you unconsciously will manifest another chance to face it, so you can learn the lesson you didn't learn the first time around. At least, that's based on what I've been told from people who have worked real closely with it and learned a lot about healing it. That's why I'm looking to process my fear by experiencing it fully. But I don't know how to get into it. My German mentor says to "relax into it" maybe there's a way to get the subconcious mind to "relax into" the fear and process the emotion fully?

There are other ways to learn what you need to learn to be free of fear.  You cannot escape the lesson, but you don't have to "go through it".  You do have to change your level of understanding, which is why "going through it" kills fear in a lot of cases.

[Shannon]

Shannon, Since MIR v3 is done, what are you planning on working on next?

I am planning on working on recovering my energy.  Today I spent some time walking on the beach, enjoying the sun, sounds, view and wind.  It was very relaxing and rejuvenating.  I need more rest and rejuvenation, but that really helped.

When I am done with my R&R time, I'll begin working on FRM and USLM 4.2.

[Shannon]

Shannon what caused you to put DRS in MIR?

Originally I had started building MIR v3 without putting it in, and one of my advisors told me to re-think that.  So I ran it through the models, and it clearly and repeatedly showed that without it, MIR v3 would work well, but it would be on an entirely different level if it included NDRS or DRS, and that DRS was a cut above NDRS in effectiveness.  I was surprised because I figured it wouldn't be a good idea since it would be better to put all available energy to work on the immune system, but this answer came out of the models unchanged in several different runs.  So... I put DRS in, and that is that.

[Yous]

Hello, 


It was interesting this last conversation, i have some ideas just in case you didn´t think about all of them and if this is the case if they could help in some way.


Before i would like to say that the shields that do something else than protecting seems to be more useful for me...two in one...


Related with this and with the fear, i wonder, if it's possible to transform the negative energy in something useful, could be possible to transform other type of energy in something useful for the program to maximice the effect not using only the negative energy...for example...the fear  the people around  feel...or making a shield that use all this energy to help us to face our fears...

I am not sure I understand you here, it sounds like you're suggesting a shield that takes energy from people in your environment to transform and use.  That would be energy vampirism, and it is possible, but very bad news.  I don't think we need energy to help us face our fears, what we need is to somehow trigger a different response.

Related with the fear, many times as you said Shannon, we fear something that we have imagine conconcuis or unconsciously, and if its conscious imagining what could be the worst thing that could happen helps us, because many times if that fear came true would not be so terrible as we imagine...could help to give to the subconscious that same instruction to imagine the worst? For example, i have fear to talk to a woman...what could be the worst thing that could happen? Is not he end of the world...

It would only make things worse to suggest to the subconscious to imagine the worst that could happen.  Trust me, that would be VERY bad news.  If that sort of approach would work, what I already have created in v4.8 of FRM would also have already worked.  Not because it uses that idea, but because if the subconscious understood logic in the right ways for it to work, we would already have developed a solution in what I have done so far.

One step more for example could be to give the instruction to the subconscious to imagine after this exactly the opposite of this fear, what could be the best that could happen...


Another idea is to use the subliminal to ask to the subconscious what fears do we have and why and how to overcome it.


I would also put in the equation not only the fear to the death, as well the fear of suffering, the fear to the shame, the fear to the failure, etc...


And maybe another approach could be to show to the subconscious that the death it's no so bad, its necessary and there is no suffering in the death, is the peace, but of course we need the survival instinct...


I suppose that you have considered all of this but i can not be sure because i don't know the scripts, so just in case 

All of this has been considered, and what works has already been used.  But I do appreciate the attempt at offering new options.

I dont know how it works, but i mean doing the same of the Transformational Absorption shield, is this shield stoling the energy of the people? It´s the same but not only with the negative energy that comes to you, i said the fear of others that come to you but i don´t know how this works...could be the fear or another kind of energy that come to you from the outside, not only the negative...I was thinking...if its to transform negative energy from the outside into a positive energy for us, could not be possible to transform negative energy that comes from us, from the inside into positive energy, or more concretely, transforming the fear into (changing the point of view that we have about the fear, its not something bad, is something good that guide us about what we need to face and overcome to be happy and successful, fear its our friend) positive energy to overcome this same fear.

When i was like 13 o 14 my best friend in the school, he had many nightmares, his parents were psychologist, and his father was the director or our school. Well, they recommend him to talk with the monster of his nightmares, and finally the nightmares disappeared...


Relating to the fear...normally if we are not aware of something we cannot overcome it, until we are aware of a problem we cannot do anything to solve it, the subconscious may not work the same, but taking advantage of the interaction between the two we could try to provoke a symbiosis, in which The subconscious was revealing to us in a moderate way, in small doses, our fears to the conscious sphere, to such a degree that we could overcome it and progressively increase from simpler and superficial fears that are easier to confront deeper and deeper fears that require greater ability and courage. And while this process lasts try to have more or less controlled or retained or trying as little interference as possible to the most deep-rooted fears, with something in the script that gives us some strategy of relief or even evasion, while doing the work that if it can to be made.

Another idea...in the script of the sub program could be to tell to the subconscious to accept the affirmations or the part of the script that his is prepare to do easily and once that this part of the script its assumed and it has make you more strong and better assuming something more changelling...is similar to the one above.

[RTBoss]

How does cultivating courage/bravery fit in with FRM?  Whether aiding the removal of fear directly, or using courage as a stepping stone to overcome fear so it can be transcended and therefore made mute and/or removable?

[ncbeareatingman]

How does cultivating courage/bravery fit in with FRM?  Whether aiding the removal of fear directly, or using courage as a stepping stone to overcome fear so it can be transcended and therefore made mute and/or removable?

 Damn excellent questions RT-Da -Boss Man! I'd love to hear the answers to these questions as well,as others,Im shure. I can tell you this man,that DRS is allowing me enough space to grow my courage and bravery,more and more
 IM currently just starting back on it as of 25 minutes a ago ,a schedule of 7 days of DRS on and 2 days off,'test driving' that to see how it all goes. Hope you and your Beloved One's are keeping well.  Keith.

PS: In a Way "DRS" is a form of Fear Remover.... as I figured as much way before I got it and then with use it only confirmed that to be so for Me,as Shannon,tended to agree with that as well. Im NOT saying nor was I that its the ALL purpose industrial strength spot remover/fear remover,but it certain does a lotta things for me,that could be seen or even classified as a FRM. I'd love to see courage and bravery included in the programming or a titled program with bravery and courage in it,right along with some EGO balancing, I constantly check my ego stuff when using DRS,and some times as need it,I just let it Fly and go with it....to get the coast clearer with some one and related,but mostly I simply stay in check with it. I Love Me some DRS,though,trust me!!

[Shannon]

Hello, 


It was interesting this last conversation, i have some ideas just in case you didn´t think about all of them and if this is the case if they could help in some way.


Before i would like to say that the shields that do something else than protecting seems to be more useful for me...two in one...


Related with this and with the fear, i wonder, if it's possible to transform the negative energy in something useful, could be possible to transform other type of energy in something useful for the program to maximice the effect not using only the negative energy...for example...the fear  the people around  feel...or making a shield that use all this energy to help us to face our fears...

I am not sure I understand you here, it sounds like you're suggesting a shield that takes energy from people in your environment to transform and use.  That would be energy vampirism, and it is possible, but very bad news.  I don't think we need energy to help us face our fears, what we need is to somehow trigger a different response.

Related with the fear, many times as you said Shannon, we fear something that we have imagine conconcuis or unconsciously, and if its conscious imagining what could be the worst thing that could happen helps us, because many times if that fear came true would not be so terrible as we imagine...could help to give to the subconscious that same instruction to imagine the worst? For example, i have fear to talk to a woman...what could be the worst thing that could happen? Is not he end of the world...

It would only make things worse to suggest to the subconscious to imagine the worst that could happen.  Trust me, that would be VERY bad news.  If that sort of approach would work, what I already have created in v4.8 of FRM would also have already worked.  Not because it uses that idea, but because if the subconscious understood logic in the right ways for it to work, we would already have developed a solution in what I have done so far.

One step more for example could be to give the instruction to the subconscious to imagine after this exactly the opposite of this fear, what could be the best that could happen...


Another idea is to use the subliminal to ask to the subconscious what fears do we have and why and how to overcome it.


I would also put in the equation not only the fear to the death, as well the fear of suffering, the fear to the shame, the fear to the failure, etc...


And maybe another approach could be to show to the subconscious that the death it's no so bad, its necessary and there is no suffering in the death, is the peace, but of course we need the survival instinct...


I suppose that you have considered all of this but i can not be sure because i don't know the scripts, so just in case 

All of this has been considered, and what works has already been used.  But I do appreciate the attempt at offering new options.

I dont know how it works, but i mean doing the same of the Transformational Absorption shield, is this shield stoling the energy of the people? It´s the same but not only with the negative energy that comes to you, i said the fear of others that come to you but i don´t know how this works...could be the fear or another kind of energy that come to you from the outside, not only the negative...I was thinking...if its to transform negative energy from the outside into a positive energy for us, could not be possible to transform negative energy that comes from us, from the inside into positive energy, or more concretely, transforming the fear into (changing the point of view that we have about the fear, its not something bad, is something good that guide us about what we need to face and overcome to be happy and successful, fear its our friend) positive energy to overcome this same fear.

I understand what you were trying to say better now.  TAS does not steal energy, it takes what people are giving you that is negative, and turns it into something positive that you can use.  My best understanding of how fear is created would suggest that that isn't likely to be a possible solution for fearr, but I'll put it on the list for looking at.

When i was like 13 o 14 my best friend in the school, he had many nightmares, his parents were psychologist, and his father was the director or our school. Well, they recommend him to talk with the monster of his nightmares, and finally the nightmares disappeared...

Yes, fear is often "killable" by familiarity (education).  It is often the unknown that scares us.  That point has already been considered in FRM.

Relating to the fear...normally if we are not aware of something we cannot overcome it, until we are aware of a problem we cannot do anything to solve it, the subconscious may not work the same, but taking advantage of the interaction between the two we could try to provoke a symbiosis, in which The subconscious was revealing to us in a moderate way, in small doses, our fears to the conscious sphere, to such a degree that we could overcome it and progressively increase from simpler and superficial fears that are easier to confront deeper and deeper fears that require greater ability and courage. And while this process lasts try to have more or less controlled or retained or trying as little interference as possible to the most deep-rooted fears, with something in the script that gives us some strategy of relief or even evasion, while doing the work that if it can to be made.

This concept has already been attempted.  

Another idea...in the script of the sub program could be to tell to the subconscious to accept the affirmations or the part of the script that his is prepare to do easily and once that this part of the script its assumed and it has make you more strong and better assuming something more changelling...is similar to the one above.

That's been in use for a long time, too... like I have said, many times now... if you saw the script of this program, you'd be convinced... there's no fear getting through this!

But everything I have tried so far, while it works, does not work for the root cause of, or all types of, fear.  Or maybe both, not sure yet.  I think ultimately it boils down to the different physiology/personality/psychology giving each person different points of relation to fear and different points of reaction to fear, and having to make one script work for everyone.  I have the SOPS (Self Optimizing Polymorphic Scripting), but I don't know enough about the process of how fear is created yet to make even SOPS shut it down.  

Different personalities have different levels of sensitivity to fear, and different levels of awareness of and connection to it because different types have their "point of awareness more, or less, in a "place" that experiences emotional awareness or not.  For people who focus through the logical mind, or the action-oriented focus, fear is much less something the experience or understand because their point of experience for their awareness is outside the emotional facet that experiences fear.   Whatever aspect of their personality is within the intellectual or action oriented focus, experiences little to no fear.  Whatever aspect of the personality that is located within the emotional or physical focus experiences fear to a much higher degree.  

The issue is that all of the parts of an individual conscious and subconscious awareness can be in any of those, independently, creating an infinite variety of unique personalities, and I don't yet understand how each creates or avoids experiencing fear.

[Darwinn]

OK so i'm just going to put this out there given discussions are going on around FRM and i had a huge fear wave i just had to ride.

It's weird and I don't have a better way of phrasing it. I had a really harsh argument with someone the other day and though they were in the wrong I couldn't let it go. It was bugging me because any argument I just stays with me, i'm hyper agreeable and always 'have to be right'. Digging into both of these traits I realised there was a huge fear of losing love and respect, and that losing them was losing the power to be sustained in the world.

My intuition sparked up and communicated to me that all the strategies i had employed, both in career, personal life, goals etc. were all there to enhance my power; practicing self love is the practice of being able to supply oneself with the love we want from the world giving us power over that need, similarly consciousness increases agency/choice, increases personal power and almost all fear is around the dissolution of self and the power to supply self with that it needs.

In so what i'm saying is, If I believe fully that I can supply all i need, if i have an ability to fully manage my emotions and the capacity to meet any challenge i have no need to fear anything, especially if this is grounded in some belief of an eternal self, or reconciliation with my own mortality.

Basically, Shannon - can you just make me enlightened. Thanks

[Shannon]

OK so i'm just going to put this out there given discussions are going on around FRM and i had a huge fear wave i just had to ride.

It's weird and I don't have a better way of phrasing it. I had a really harsh argument with someone the other day and though they were in the wrong I couldn't let it go. It was bugging me because any argument I just stays with me, i'm hyper agreeable and always 'have to be right'. Digging into both of these traits I realised there was a huge fear of losing love and respect, and that losing them was losing the power to be sustained in the world.

My intuition sparked up and communicated to me that all the strategies i had employed, both in career, personal life, goals etc. were all there to enhance my power; practicing self love is the practice of being able to supply oneself with the love we want from the world giving us power over that need, similarly consciousness increases agency/choice, increases personal power and almost all fear is around the dissolution of self and the power to supply self with that it needs.

Which can be further reduced to survival/fear of death.

In so what i'm saying is, If I believe fully that I can supply all i need, if i have an ability to fully manage my emotions and the capacity to meet any challenge i have no need to fear anything, especially if this is grounded in some belief of an eternal self, or reconciliation with my own mortality.

Basically, Shannon - can you just make me enlightened. Thanks

I hope that "enlightenment" isn't what we need to solve the whole fear thing...

[Darwinn]

I mean itd do it right? So might as well

[Darwinn]

But also being able to supply my own love or whatever emotions I fear not being sustained seems like a healthy way to be like you know what - time to drop this fear thing

[Yous]

I like your idea Darwin

[Zubrowka]

Shannon, what is the difference between being a dominant man and dominating other people?