(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

(05-20-2020, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Hanpan Wrote: A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?

Of course each stage will cover something different.  Otherwise, why have more than one stage? 

Power level will be uniform.  The goal of the step up is to build a foundation, and then build steps to the goal on top of that foundation.

(05-20-2020, 10:46 AM)Hanpan Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Hanpan Wrote: A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?

Of course each stage will cover something different.  Otherwise, why have more than one stage? 

Power level will be uniform.  The goal of the step up is to build a foundation, and then build steps to the goal on top of that foundation.

I'm sure that you know the right way to do it, but in my mind it would be great to have a program that was the same but increased in power level for each stage in connection with the increase in technology (so that a new shield or FRM would be added in a new stage if released).

I might be the only one who feels this way but of the 12 titles, there are 2-3 that I'm really excited about, 6-8 that I think are great to have in there but that I wouldn't purchase as a stand alone, and a few that I couldn't care less about. 

So I would maybe feel that it was a would be a bit of a bummer if one particular stage eg. covers one title that I think is ok plus one title that I don't really care about. Unless the one stage builds on top of the previous. Then it would make sense.

But I'm sure you know what is best.

(05-20-2020, 10:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

(05-20-2020, 10:17 AM)Yous Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Im pretty sure that i have read here in the forum that LTU already has ARA. Maybe in the sale page it is with another name, like negative stress...

Refering to stage 7...Since one week im looking for information about AM6, just now im reading the AM6 Taos Journal, coincidence that there is a post exactly about this, stage 7: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Stepping-Up-to-the-Plate-AM6?pid=88901#pid88901

(05-20-2020, 01:31 PM)Yous Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 10:17 AM)Yous Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Im pretty sure that i have read here in the forum that LTU already has ARA. Maybe in the sale page it is with another name, like negative stress...

Refering to stage 7...Since one week im looking for information about AM6, just now im reading the AM6 Taos Journal, coincidence that there is a post exactly about this, stage 7: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Stepping-Up-to-the-Plate-AM6?pid=88901#pid88901

Shannon said  here that ARA is already in LTU: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shannon-s-Journal-Discussion-Thread-Vol-5?pid=229599#pid229599

Regards

(05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

(05-20-2020, 01:16 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: @Shannon  I want to ask, Is there any possibilty my AM programming erased(or overwrited) by a 5.5G sub (SE) , when I start it  2 weeks after my finished AM run?

my primary goal is soliding AM programming.  What you would suggest me, Should I do AM or SE right now?
I am asking it because if there wouldn't be a problem, I want a break from long hours of listening ocean track of AM.
SE is much lesser.

(05-20-2020, 02:52 PM)Benjamin Wrote: How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design.  

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.