(09-16-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 05:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon - Procrastination Epiphany - may be helpful for UMOP etc

Hi Shannon

Around a year or so ago, you once said something that only today has clicked for me and the truth of it made total sense.

I explained how I would put things off to the very very last moment. Consciously im eager to work im ambitious wanting to get things done (perhaps high expectations of my own abilities - it all feels real and possible for me) but the action fails me until that very last moment.

You said I think that this was fear but also that the reason I take action at the end is because I have no where to run to and that there is no way to put that task off. The day time I know I can delay and delay and then there is no delay left for me, no where to turn and I take action.

How true you are!

Today I have been putting off some important work. I had the whole day to do it but I allowed time to expand to fill up the day time. Meal times became longer, watching 1 episode of a tv show became 2 or 3. Hell I even washed dishes and tidied up when normally I probably wouldnt.

I felt and this may all be vital for the subs, but I felt that I HAD time, lots of time and that I could do it a second later, 1 minute later or just simply later because I had time but also had the confidence in myself to do the task when it came to doing it.

I also understood that when I finally came to doing the said task, I put music on, and voila got into the flow state, got into the zone.
I was also whilst doing the task setting myself arbitrary milestones or checkpoint that I wanted to reach before I took a break. So if I had 100 points to say copy I set myself the goal of doing 50 and trying to stick to it. This showed me that when it came to doing the action and I had no choice to do it, that my mind enabled me to find reasons to do it somewhat more easily or a little less painfully without thinking that I I was TOO overwhelmed, that I had too much to do.

The flow state was 100% flow, there were lapses at times when i wanted to stop but the milestone that I said I should reach before I took a break pushed me along.

This brings me to the next realisation that I realised that im always eager to do tasks for my betterment. Be it take vitamins or study or exercise but the actual procrastination now ive realised today and admitted stems from boredom and hard work and time. The latter being that it takes TOO long to do.

Without realising it, when I actually come to doing the said task, I was feeling either that the task is boring, or hard, difficult or that it does or would take up too much time or somewhere along this line. I didnt realise this as I guess somehow my emotions or thoughts or feelings are dumbed down, im kinda apathetic/unaware/desensitised to them if that somehow makes sense, im less aware of them and so even though that record is playing im totally oblivious to it yet its what is controlling me and today I realised that the motivation to work and excel, to become a goal achiever, a peak performer is there but when its time to take the said action a complete 180 flip is done and the B side of that record starts to play.

Somehow this is why I seem to be procrastinating and whats clear is that the flow state that I enter and did enter is not due to anything but my mind.

I cannot over ride this, I havent ever been able to over ride this and im hoping all of this helps you but also its my way of saying thanks for revealing to me a year or 2 ago what I see now. That I myself spend the day avoiding the task to reach a point where I am backed into a corner and thats when I take action and when I do take that action then its my mind putting me into the zone so that I can get out of that corner.

How or why I am this way I have absolutely no idea at all and no idea if you have any thoughts or theories on this but I sincerely hope this helps in some minor way.

Thanks man!

That does give a little insight.  It would appear that the issue you have really boils down to something I already attempted to do in the last UMOP, but the technology and power levels were not sufficient.  This should be interesting in the next version then.

Thats great to hear! If you have any particular questions then do ask ofcourse. I did the hypnosis via skype with the hypnotherapist. He did "time line regression" and in all honesty it hasnt done much if anything. I found it extremely difficult to feel any negative of the 5 negative emotions (fear, guilt, hate, anger, sadness) from my past. I dont seem to be the kind of person who can feel emotions of the past, or negative emotions. I can ofcourse feel emotions in the present but to be asked to remember a time I was sad or angry just doesnt work as I know I am safe now.

So yes that didnt offer me any success sadly. I will use a hypnosis mp3 for procrastination in the hope that the positive suggestions and the compounding of these do something for me until UMOP is released but im not really able to apply discipline to taking action on this daily as I have tried to during covid and with no success just give up.

So from this I can imagine that I have an issue with discipline, moods and also persisting when short term success or results are zero.

(09-16-2020, 09:49 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 05:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon - Procrastination Epiphany - may be helpful for UMOP etc

Hi Shannon

Around a year or so ago, you once said something that only today has clicked for me and the truth of it made total sense.

I explained how I would put things off to the very very last moment. Consciously im eager to work im ambitious wanting to get things done (perhaps high expectations of my own abilities - it all feels real and possible for me) but the action fails me until that very last moment.

You said I think that this was fear but also that the reason I take action at the end is because I have no where to run to and that there is no way to put that task off. The day time I know I can delay and delay and then there is no delay left for me, no where to turn and I take action.

How true you are!

Today I have been putting off some important work. I had the whole day to do it but I allowed time to expand to fill up the day time. Meal times became longer, watching 1 episode of a tv show became 2 or 3. Hell I even washed dishes and tidied up when normally I probably wouldnt.

I felt and this may all be vital for the subs, but I felt that I HAD time, lots of time and that I could do it a second later, 1 minute later or just simply later because I had time but also had the confidence in myself to do the task when it came to doing it.

I also understood that when I finally came to doing the said task, I put music on, and voila got into the flow state, got into the zone.
I was also whilst doing the task setting myself arbitrary milestones or checkpoint that I wanted to reach before I took a break. So if I had 100 points to say copy I set myself the goal of doing 50 and trying to stick to it. This showed me that when it came to doing the action and I had no choice to do it, that my mind enabled me to find reasons to do it somewhat more easily or a little less painfully without thinking that I I was TOO overwhelmed, that I had too much to do.

The flow state was 100% flow, there were lapses at times when i wanted to stop but the milestone that I said I should reach before I took a break pushed me along.

This brings me to the next realisation that I realised that im always eager to do tasks for my betterment. Be it take vitamins or study or exercise but the actual procrastination now ive realised today and admitted stems from boredom and hard work and time. The latter being that it takes TOO long to do.

Without realising it, when I actually come to doing the said task, I was feeling either that the task is boring, or hard, difficult or that it does or would take up too much time or somewhere along this line. I didnt realise this as I guess somehow my emotions or thoughts or feelings are dumbed down, im kinda apathetic/unaware/desensitised to them if that somehow makes sense, im less aware of them and so even though that record is playing im totally oblivious to it yet its what is controlling me and today I realised that the motivation to work and excel, to become a goal achiever, a peak performer is there but when its time to take the said action a complete 180 flip is done and the B side of that record starts to play.

Somehow this is why I seem to be procrastinating and whats clear is that the flow state that I enter and did enter is not due to anything but my mind.

I cannot over ride this, I havent ever been able to over ride this and im hoping all of this helps you but also its my way of saying thanks for revealing to me a year or 2 ago what I see now. That I myself spend the day avoiding the task to reach a point where I am backed into a corner and thats when I take action and when I do take that action then its my mind putting me into the zone so that I can get out of that corner.

How or why I am this way I have absolutely no idea at all and no idea if you have any thoughts or theories on this but I sincerely hope this helps in some minor way.

Thanks man!

That does give a little insight.  It would appear that the issue you have really boils down to something I already attempted to do in the last UMOP, but the technology and power levels were not sufficient.  This should be interesting in the next version then.

Thats great to hear! If you have any particular questions then do ask ofcourse. I did the hypnosis via skype with the hypnotherapist. He did "time line regression" and in all honesty it hasnt done much if anything. I found it extremely difficult to feel any negative of the 5 negative emotions (fear, guilt, hate, anger, sadness) from my past. I dont seem to be the kind of person who can feel emotions of the past, or negative emotions. I can ofcourse feel emotions in the present but to be asked to remember a time I was sad or angry just doesnt work as I know I am safe now.

So yes that didnt offer me any success sadly. I will use a hypnosis mp3 for procrastination in the hope that the positive suggestions and the compounding of these do something for me until UMOP is released but im not really able to apply discipline to taking action on this daily as I have tried to during covid and with no success just give up.

So from this I can imagine that I have an issue with discipline, moods and also persisting when short term success or results are zero.

Hypnosis requires an extremely skilled practitioner to succeed with someone like you.  It doesn't surprise me that you did not achieve success with it.  I think your issue is fear, and the deep need for control to maintain "security" in the face of that fear, which prevents the necessary parts of you from cooperating with hypnosis.  I'd be surprised if your use of a hypnosis recording did anything either.

The shit testing may be a fear response for some of those women, and if an affected side FRM works, and works quickly, that may help in some cases.

(09-16-2020, 11:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote: The shit testing may be a fear response for some of those women, and if an affected side FRM works, and works quickly,  that may help in some cases.

Affected side FRM is going to take some time and work to figure out, though.  I guess we shall see.

(09-16-2020, 08:51 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 02:51 PM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 01:47 PM)Shannon Wrote: With regards to the latter, it is noted that female shit testing may be getting in the way of success for some of you.  I'll have to think about how to deal with that.

If shit testing is an issue, wouldn't running AM6 program be a better solution by the people having this specific issue rather than transforming DMSI into a 8 slots smart toaster with an AM/FM radio and an integrated LCD touchscreen to browse remote weather forecasts?

I'm not saying DMSI will ever deal with shit testing.  I'm not sure it should.  It's about creating sexual attraction, not teaching you how to deal with skepticism from those who see incongruencies when you run it, and want to figure out what's really going on.

But at the same time, DMSI isn't much good for those who lack the experience to express what DMSI is trying to express in a way that is congruent, if those incongruencies result in the first place.  It seems to me that instead of trying to make DMSI deal with shit testing, we need to make it produce a result that is more congruent, so the shit testing doesn't happen.  Which may or may not be possible.  It is those who lack experience who need this.  Can I do anything about it through a set of instructions?  

I don't think I can just write up a list of things to do or not do that will solve this problem.  What these guys need is experience, and in the cases where they don't have it, it's going to be because of a cycle of Be inexperienced > make mistakes > feel hurt > prevent getting more experience.  So I'll have to break that cycle, enable getting more experience and thus allow them to grow into being congruent with what DMSI is attempting to accomplish.  Or at least more confident expressing DMSI's expressions.

I agree with most of this with a few of notes from my personal experience:

• I 100% agree that it would be much easier to accept and absorb DMSI programming when one has relevant experience than when one has comparatively little to no relevant experience; related, true confidence is strengthened within a person and more unshakeable when they have experiences that reinforce the belief of having the abilities to make XYZ thing happen;
  
• I have some sexual experience, but the overwhelming majority of it was when I was younger and employed, and with the exception of my first girlfriend unfortunately always involved flashing cash or some other symbol of financial status (I got myself a pretty nice Bulova watch in 2009) near introduction to better ameliorate these women to the idea that I was "acceptable" as a potential partner; I acknowledge and accept that at the time I was not secure in my own abilities or even self-worth and had way unhealthier beliefs back then;
  
• DMSI promoting congruence, even if it's only in matters related to sexual attractiveness, is useful regardless of how much sexual experience the listener may or may not have;
  
• Women will still shit-test regardless of how emotionally healthy they claim to be and may or may not actually be; a man can be 100% congruent inside and outside but women will still project their own insecurities and programming and not only shit-test claiming suspicion of the man truly being aligned, but also more often than not act like their supposed BS detectors are infallible regardless of how the man handles these tests; while I understand that women shit-testing has legitimate biological roots and all that stuff, "modern" women especially in the US don't commonly have this knowledge and understanding and instead use their societal programming to make excuses and such;
  
• The statistical likelihood of attracting a woman I am attracted to who has sincerely put in effort towards her own self-improvement and is therefore more likely to be secure enough to not shit-test is small enough that I unfortunately can't bank on any assumptions of not getting shit-tested.
  

Re congruence specifically - I know that one of the most commonly promoted beliefs to have to be "more positive" is to have a mindset of abundance. The conflict between simply thinking one has abundance vs actually having abundance seems to be the most common source of incongruence, and if there's promotion of having a mindset of sexual abundance in DMSI programming I would suggest starting there and figuring out how to reconcile that difference of "thinking without having" vs "actually having." I would wager that the conflict of "thinking without having" vs "actually having," even not in a context of abundance, is going to be the source of almost every incongruence a person may have.

Re shit-testing specifically - if there's anything I think DMSI should have explicitly about shit-testing it's improving the listener's ability to identify more accurately what is a shit-test vs other forms of affected-side resistance, token or otherwise, especially with regards to sex and sexual attraction. While I can understand that influencing how the listener responds to shit-tests may be outside of DMSI's scope even simply due to how complex understanding and responding appropriately to shit-testing is to begin with, I would be disappointed if you didn't at least try to explore some way DMSI could at least educate the listener on some default path "X is almost certainly a shit-test, if you don't have enough useful knowledge to respond better then do Y in response."

Re AM6 vs DMSI for shit-testing - given how foundational AM6 is meant to be, it would certainly be reasonable to think that it would be better overall for understanding and responding to shit-tests. Me not knowing the script, however, I'm personally not sure how much Shannon had actually thought about shit-testing, sexual or otherwise, when making it, so I'm not sure how much it would actually address it. For sex-related shit-testing, I would be 100% on board for DMSI having something useful to promote about identifying accurately and responding well to shit-tests, especially in ways that increase the listener's sexual attractiveness as a result.

Why not; something like an "automated training module" re: shit-tests and "shit-tests" (i.e. "how much shit are you willing to eat" )? I remember there being something of this sort back in the Natural Seduction part of it, but more regarding seduction?

Though in all honesty, it's not all that difficult. A proper shit-test looks more like flirting (though I guess it could be tricky if someone's still nervous about how they're being perceived by their potential sexual/romantic partners), a "shit-test" is more like "WTF, run *don't* walk, boy".

(09-16-2020, 11:06 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 09:49 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 05:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon - Procrastination Epiphany - may be helpful for UMOP etc

Hi Shannon

Around a year or so ago, you once said something that only today has clicked for me and the truth of it made total sense.

I explained how I would put things off to the very very last moment. Consciously im eager to work im ambitious wanting to get things done (perhaps high expectations of my own abilities - it all feels real and possible for me) but the action fails me until that very last moment.

You said I think that this was fear but also that the reason I take action at the end is because I have no where to run to and that there is no way to put that task off. The day time I know I can delay and delay and then there is no delay left for me, no where to turn and I take action.

How true you are!

Today I have been putting off some important work. I had the whole day to do it but I allowed time to expand to fill up the day time. Meal times became longer, watching 1 episode of a tv show became 2 or 3. Hell I even washed dishes and tidied up when normally I probably wouldnt.

I felt and this may all be vital for the subs, but I felt that I HAD time, lots of time and that I could do it a second later, 1 minute later or just simply later because I had time but also had the confidence in myself to do the task when it came to doing it.

I also understood that when I finally came to doing the said task, I put music on, and voila got into the flow state, got into the zone.
I was also whilst doing the task setting myself arbitrary milestones or checkpoint that I wanted to reach before I took a break. So if I had 100 points to say copy I set myself the goal of doing 50 and trying to stick to it. This showed me that when it came to doing the action and I had no choice to do it, that my mind enabled me to find reasons to do it somewhat more easily or a little less painfully without thinking that I I was TOO overwhelmed, that I had too much to do.

The flow state was 100% flow, there were lapses at times when i wanted to stop but the milestone that I said I should reach before I took a break pushed me along.

This brings me to the next realisation that I realised that im always eager to do tasks for my betterment. Be it take vitamins or study or exercise but the actual procrastination now ive realised today and admitted stems from boredom and hard work and time. The latter being that it takes TOO long to do.

Without realising it, when I actually come to doing the said task, I was feeling either that the task is boring, or hard, difficult or that it does or would take up too much time or somewhere along this line. I didnt realise this as I guess somehow my emotions or thoughts or feelings are dumbed down, im kinda apathetic/unaware/desensitised to them if that somehow makes sense, im less aware of them and so even though that record is playing im totally oblivious to it yet its what is controlling me and today I realised that the motivation to work and excel, to become a goal achiever, a peak performer is there but when its time to take the said action a complete 180 flip is done and the B side of that record starts to play.

Somehow this is why I seem to be procrastinating and whats clear is that the flow state that I enter and did enter is not due to anything but my mind.

I cannot over ride this, I havent ever been able to over ride this and im hoping all of this helps you but also its my way of saying thanks for revealing to me a year or 2 ago what I see now. That I myself spend the day avoiding the task to reach a point where I am backed into a corner and thats when I take action and when I do take that action then its my mind putting me into the zone so that I can get out of that corner.

How or why I am this way I have absolutely no idea at all and no idea if you have any thoughts or theories on this but I sincerely hope this helps in some minor way.

Thanks man!

That does give a little insight.  It would appear that the issue you have really boils down to something I already attempted to do in the last UMOP, but the technology and power levels were not sufficient.  This should be interesting in the next version then.

Thats great to hear! If you have any particular questions then do ask ofcourse. I did the hypnosis via skype with the hypnotherapist. He did "time line regression" and in all honesty it hasnt done much if anything. I found it extremely difficult to feel any negative of the 5 negative emotions (fear, guilt, hate, anger, sadness) from my past. I dont seem to be the kind of person who can feel emotions of the past, or negative emotions. I can ofcourse feel emotions in the present but to be asked to remember a time I was sad or angry just doesnt work as I know I am safe now.

So yes that didnt offer me any success sadly. I will use a hypnosis mp3 for procrastination in the hope that the positive suggestions and the compounding of these do something for me until UMOP is released but im not really able to apply discipline to taking action on this daily as I have tried to during covid and with no success just give up.

So from this I can imagine that I have an issue with discipline, moods and also persisting when short term success or results are zero.

Hypnosis requires an extremely skilled practitioner to succeed with someone like you.  It doesn't surprise me that you did not achieve success with it.  I think your issue is fear, and the deep need for control to maintain "security" in the face of that fear, which prevents the necessary parts of you from cooperating with hypnosis.  I'd be surprised if your use of a hypnosis recording did anything either.

You're right so far no hypnosis has really ever worked for me whether it be for procrastination or any other issues and ive tried to find skilled hypnotherapists but clearly they may not have been the best. If you know of any that are the best and work via zoom/skype then please let me know.

The fear that I have I still have no idea where it stems from, since I was I believe very different as a child.  Its as if around puberty or just before that i seemed to have changed behaviour. Consciously nothing at all comes to mind as to why. I however before this wouldnt procrastinate perhaps (maybe I did but not to this degree) however as ive gotten older clearly the avoidance levels have increased for sure.

So yes please do add on more tech, boost the power further up, and do whatever it is you do to make UMOP the sub the one to break me free.

Fingerscrossed!

Do you feel also that if UMOP does work on me, that then the other subs here will?


And procrastination is just 1 of my many issues I want to clear, so will there be a sub eventually that can deal with root issues, irrespective of what they are so that then there is a new clear ground on which the other subs can build positive reinforced buildings upon? 

thanks

(09-16-2020, 11:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote: The shit testing may be a fear response for some of those women, and if an affected side FRM works, and works quickly, that may help in some cases.

My experience with shit testing is that the woman is unsure about your quality as a man.

First, she will want to test the limits. Does this man have principles and stand for them or he will bend on her request?

There is also fear of what she might be thinking of you... and you basically are not 100% honest about your intentions by fear of displeasing her. That too, she can figure that out with shit testing...

Self-Esteem is a big thing in succeeding to pass those tests...

So, it is very good if DMSI can help with those challenges but IMHO, AM, SE and OF can definitely help someone that has the shit tests as a sticking point.

At last, my experience is that once you fix those shortcomings, the shit tests also disappear at the same time. There is no need for them anymore... With what you project, the uncertainty about your quality is gone so the need to tests too...

(09-16-2020, 12:29 PM)apollolux Wrote: Re AM6 vs DMSI for shit-testing - given how foundational AM6 is meant to be, it would certainly be reasonable to think that it would be better overall for understanding and responding to shit-tests. Me not knowing the script, however, I'm personally not sure how much Shannon had actually thought about shit-testing, sexual or otherwise, when making it, so I'm not sure how much it would actually address it. For sex-related shit-testing, I would be 100% on board for DMSI having something useful to promote about identifying accurately and responding well to shit-tests, especially in ways that increase the listener's sexual attractiveness as a result.

I'm not sure that identifying shit testing with patterns would be useful.

A shit test isn't something that you handle successfully. It is something that you pass because of who you are and how you behave.

Men are attracted to women by their physical attributes. All you need to discover them is a pair of eyes.

Women are attracted to a man's traits and his character strength and shit testing is the mean to find them out.

I'm sure that AM6 has nothing to address specifically shit testing but it will change you in a way that will make you pass those tests without even thinking about them.

I do remember during my AM6, it has been very striking. I stopped taking shit from ANYONE... not just women specifically... I would think that it has something to do with the program self-esteem boosting... It gives you a feeling deservingness... That is what a woman find attractive... I think...

You guys do realize that discussing all this about DMSI 3.3.3 is useless in this thread, right? It's going to get lost and I'm not going to spend time searching for it. You should be posting it in a thread dedicated to this if you want it to be considered for use.

(09-16-2020, 02:31 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 11:06 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 09:49 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 05:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon - Procrastination Epiphany - may be helpful for UMOP etc

Hi Shannon

Around a year or so ago, you once said something that only today has clicked for me and the truth of it made total sense.

I explained how I would put things off to the very very last moment. Consciously im eager to work im ambitious wanting to get things done (perhaps high expectations of my own abilities - it all feels real and possible for me) but the action fails me until that very last moment.

You said I think that this was fear but also that the reason I take action at the end is because I have no where to run to and that there is no way to put that task off. The day time I know I can delay and delay and then there is no delay left for me, no where to turn and I take action.

How true you are!

Today I have been putting off some important work. I had the whole day to do it but I allowed time to expand to fill up the day time. Meal times became longer, watching 1 episode of a tv show became 2 or 3. Hell I even washed dishes and tidied up when normally I probably wouldnt.

I felt and this may all be vital for the subs, but I felt that I HAD time, lots of time and that I could do it a second later, 1 minute later or just simply later because I had time but also had the confidence in myself to do the task when it came to doing it.

I also understood that when I finally came to doing the said task, I put music on, and voila got into the flow state, got into the zone.
I was also whilst doing the task setting myself arbitrary milestones or checkpoint that I wanted to reach before I took a break. So if I had 100 points to say copy I set myself the goal of doing 50 and trying to stick to it. This showed me that when it came to doing the action and I had no choice to do it, that my mind enabled me to find reasons to do it somewhat more easily or a little less painfully without thinking that I I was TOO overwhelmed, that I had too much to do.

The flow state was 100% flow, there were lapses at times when i wanted to stop but the milestone that I said I should reach before I took a break pushed me along.

This brings me to the next realisation that I realised that im always eager to do tasks for my betterment. Be it take vitamins or study or exercise but the actual procrastination now ive realised today and admitted stems from boredom and hard work and time. The latter being that it takes TOO long to do.

Without realising it, when I actually come to doing the said task, I was feeling either that the task is boring, or hard, difficult or that it does or would take up too much time or somewhere along this line. I didnt realise this as I guess somehow my emotions or thoughts or feelings are dumbed down, im kinda apathetic/unaware/desensitised to them if that somehow makes sense, im less aware of them and so even though that record is playing im totally oblivious to it yet its what is controlling me and today I realised that the motivation to work and excel, to become a goal achiever, a peak performer is there but when its time to take the said action a complete 180 flip is done and the B side of that record starts to play.

Somehow this is why I seem to be procrastinating and whats clear is that the flow state that I enter and did enter is not due to anything but my mind.

I cannot over ride this, I havent ever been able to over ride this and im hoping all of this helps you but also its my way of saying thanks for revealing to me a year or 2 ago what I see now. That I myself spend the day avoiding the task to reach a point where I am backed into a corner and thats when I take action and when I do take that action then its my mind putting me into the zone so that I can get out of that corner.

How or why I am this way I have absolutely no idea at all and no idea if you have any thoughts or theories on this but I sincerely hope this helps in some minor way.

Thanks man!

That does give a little insight.  It would appear that the issue you have really boils down to something I already attempted to do in the last UMOP, but the technology and power levels were not sufficient.  This should be interesting in the next version then.

Thats great to hear! If you have any particular questions then do ask ofcourse. I did the hypnosis via skype with the hypnotherapist. He did "time line regression" and in all honesty it hasnt done much if anything. I found it extremely difficult to feel any negative of the 5 negative emotions (fear, guilt, hate, anger, sadness) from my past. I dont seem to be the kind of person who can feel emotions of the past, or negative emotions. I can ofcourse feel emotions in the present but to be asked to remember a time I was sad or angry just doesnt work as I know I am safe now.

So yes that didnt offer me any success sadly. I will use a hypnosis mp3 for procrastination in the hope that the positive suggestions and the compounding of these do something for me until UMOP is released but im not really able to apply discipline to taking action on this daily as I have tried to during covid and with no success just give up.

So from this I can imagine that I have an issue with discipline, moods and also persisting when short term success or results are zero.

Hypnosis requires an extremely skilled practitioner to succeed with someone like you.  It doesn't surprise me that you did not achieve success with it.  I think your issue is fear, and the deep need for control to maintain "security" in the face of that fear, which prevents the necessary parts of you from cooperating with hypnosis.  I'd be surprised if your use of a hypnosis recording did anything either.

You're right so far no hypnosis has really ever worked for me whether it be for procrastination or any other issues and ive tried to find skilled hypnotherapists but clearly they may not have been the best. If you know of any that are the best and work via zoom/skype then please let me know.

The fear that I have I still have no idea where it stems from, since I was I believe very different as a child.  Its as if around puberty or just before that i seemed to have changed behaviour. Consciously nothing at all comes to mind as to why. I however before this wouldnt procrastinate perhaps (maybe I did but not to this degree) however as ive gotten older clearly the avoidance levels have increased for sure.

So yes please do add on more tech, boost the power further up, and do whatever it is you do to make UMOP the sub the one to break me free.

Fingerscrossed!

Do you feel also that if UMOP does work on me, that then the other subs here will?


And procrastination is just 1 of my many issues I want to clear, so will there be a sub eventually that can deal with root issues, irrespective of what they are so that then there is a new clear ground on which the other subs can build positive reinforced buildings upon? 

thanks

The practitioners of any field who are the best are going to be the ones who you travel to, not the ones who work on video chat.  In fact I wouldn't even call myself a hypnotist (despite having been certified, because I don't use and practice it), but I would never try to do a hypnosis session remotely.  You want the best?  You look at who is considered the best by other hypnotists (who would know).  I know of two highly thought of and sought after hypnotists, one is retired, and one teaches hypnosis at a college in Canada.  Can't remember his name right now, I think his first name is Mike.  I was planning to fly to Canada and study with him years ago, but time and funds have never been sufficient at the same time to do that.  The retired one is Dick Sutphen.

Then there's Richard Bandler for NLP, and I'm sure a number of his students are really well thought of, but I haven't been in either direction for a long time, so I'm not up to speed anymore.

The best also is not cheap, and in fact you may not be able to even get them to do personal consultations anymore.

You may end up deciding that "going in through the window" is easier than "going in through the front door".  What I mean by that is, trying to go directly after procrastination may not be the best way to approach this.  You may want to do something like LTUv6, E4, OF 5.75G or something along those lines.  However, when I release UMOP v2, I will be very interested in seeing how it affects you.  

OF is considered 5.75.1G; LTU v6 is 5.75.2G; and everything from then on will be 5.75.3G or later.  This level of subliminal should be able to achieve its goals, even with you, if you use it properly.  

Quote:And procrastination is just 1 of my many issues I want to clear, so will there be a sub eventually that can deal with root issues, irrespective of what they are so that then there is a new clear ground on which the other subs can build positive reinforced buildings upon? 

That would be OF 5.75G. Or LTUv6.  Maybe E4.  I have been really impressed with both OF 5.75G and LTUv6 so far.

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That would be OF 5.75G. Or LTUv6. Maybe E4. I have been really impressed with both OF 5.75G and LTUv6 so far.
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(09-17-2020, 08:37 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 02:31 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 11:06 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 09:49 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(09-16-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote: That does give a little insight.  It would appear that the issue you have really boils down to something I already attempted to do in the last UMOP, but the technology and power levels were not sufficient.  This should be interesting in the next version then.

Thats great to hear! If you have any particular questions then do ask ofcourse. I did the hypnosis via skype with the hypnotherapist. He did "time line regression" and in all honesty it hasnt done much if anything. I found it extremely difficult to feel any negative of the 5 negative emotions (fear, guilt, hate, anger, sadness) from my past. I dont seem to be the kind of person who can feel emotions of the past, or negative emotions. I can ofcourse feel emotions in the present but to be asked to remember a time I was sad or angry just doesnt work as I know I am safe now.

So yes that didnt offer me any success sadly. I will use a hypnosis mp3 for procrastination in the hope that the positive suggestions and the compounding of these do something for me until UMOP is released but im not really able to apply discipline to taking action on this daily as I have tried to during covid and with no success just give up.

So from this I can imagine that I have an issue with discipline, moods and also persisting when short term success or results are zero.

Hypnosis requires an extremely skilled practitioner to succeed with someone like you.  It doesn't surprise me that you did not achieve success with it.  I think your issue is fear, and the deep need for control to maintain "security" in the face of that fear, which prevents the necessary parts of you from cooperating with hypnosis.  I'd be surprised if your use of a hypnosis recording did anything either.

You're right so far no hypnosis has really ever worked for me whether it be for procrastination or any other issues and ive tried to find skilled hypnotherapists but clearly they may not have been the best. If you know of any that are the best and work via zoom/skype then please let me know.

The fear that I have I still have no idea where it stems from, since I was I believe very different as a child.  Its as if around puberty or just before that i seemed to have changed behaviour. Consciously nothing at all comes to mind as to why. I however before this wouldnt procrastinate perhaps (maybe I did but not to this degree) however as ive gotten older clearly the avoidance levels have increased for sure.

So yes please do add on more tech, boost the power further up, and do whatever it is you do to make UMOP the sub the one to break me free.

Fingerscrossed!

Do you feel also that if UMOP does work on me, that then the other subs here will?


And procrastination is just 1 of my many issues I want to clear, so will there be a sub eventually that can deal with root issues, irrespective of what they are so that then there is a new clear ground on which the other subs can build positive reinforced buildings upon? 

thanks

The practitioners of any field who are the best are going to be the ones who you travel to, not the ones who work on video chat.  In fact I wouldn't even call myself a hypnotist (despite having been certified, because I don't use and practice it), but I would never try to do a hypnosis session remotely.  You want the best?  You look at who is considered the best by other hypnotists (who would know).  I know of two highly thought of and sought after hypnotists, one is retired, and one teaches hypnosis at a college in Canada.  Can't remember his name right now, I think his first name is Mike.  I was planning to fly to Canada and study with him years ago, but time and funds have never been sufficient at the same time to do that.  The retired one isweeweeSutphen.

Then there's Richard Bandler for NLP, and I'm sure a number of his students are really well thought of, but I haven't been in either direction for a long time, so I'm not up to speed anymore.

The best also is not cheap, and in fact you may not be able to even get them to do personal consultations anymore.

You may end up deciding that "going in through the window" is easier than "going in through the front door".  What I mean by that is, trying to go directly after procrastination may not be the best way to approach this.  You may want to do something like LTUv6, E4, OF 5.75G or something along those lines.  However, when I release UMOP v2, I will be very interested in seeing how it affects you.  

OF is considered 5.75.1G; LTU v6 is 5.75.2G; and everything from then on will be 5.75.3G or later.  This level of subliminal should be able to achieve its goals, even with you, if you use it properly.  

Quote:And procrastination is just 1 of my many issues I want to clear, so will there be a sub eventually that can deal with root issues, irrespective of what they are so that then there is a new clear ground on which the other subs can build positive reinforced buildings upon? 

That would be OF 5.75G. Or LTUv6.  Maybe E4.  I have been really impressed with both OF 5.75G and LTUv6 so far.

E4 sounds like it may be good for you. Procrastination may not be the core issue but rather the symptom of a deeper issue like fear or something else. If you run E4 long enough it would definitely root out the issue