(01-18-2020, 04:05 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I know that you recommend to not use other products while using your subliminals, and most members take your word very seriously and follow it even if their intuition maybe say otherwise. I know because I’ve been one.

Anyway, I tried the natural grounding that is posted in the chatter box, and it moved something inside of me. And energetic release that I haven’t been able to do with meditation which I’ve been doing for two years daily, or any of your subliminals.

It can of course be the case that a lot of accumulated effect of both things came to the point at this exact moment and that it was the optimus engine that guided me to do the NG, but who knows. Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

Just a thought.

Maybe you could give NG a look and tell us what you think, I’m sure I’m not the only one interested to hear that.

Natural Grounding, as far as I can tell, is a good way to screw yourself up.  Don't use it with my subs.  If you want to explore NG, do it on its own so you actually know what it did, instead of having no idea what it did vs what the sub might have done, vs what the sub interacting with the NG might have done.  You really can't say NG did anything at all, because you were using too many things at once.  You only know that something happened - not what caused it, and certainly not what it really was.

If anything, I have seen a lot of negative results from using NG, with and without my subs.  Don't do that.

Quote:Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

The subconscious doesn't work like you apparently think it does.  My subliminals communicate to all levels of the subconscious, and there can be no "blockage" like you suggest.  It's not like a pathway or tube.  There can only be a rejection of the subliminal communication, based in fear. That fear is the issue, and that is what I have been working on for years and years now.

(01-20-2020, 08:50 AM)Yous Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 08:19 AM)Zane Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 02:48 AM)Yous Wrote:

(01-19-2020, 09:38 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote:

(01-16-2020, 11:36 AM)Shannon Wrote: You cannot develop dependence on Maximum Learning Speed.  That idea is driven by fear alone.

Why do you use MLS in social situations or when drinking?

This is unrelated to the aforementioned comment but have you ever used oregano oil tinctures/capsules when you get sick? It's my goto for anti-viral non-prescription support, though it also deals with bacterial/fungal pathogens as well.

 No, i didn't, i will look for information. Why?

I have been looking, looks interesting, i don´t like to take medicines normally, sometimes just paracetamol for the headache...

MLS-5.5G needs FRM

It doesn't have it? I thought the opposite, in that case I think for me would be good, I have many insecurities related to intellectual superior capacities, not intelligence but mostly related to concentration...

FRM only started being a thing a year or two ago when I came to the realization that my previous approach was not producing the desired results.  MLS 5.5G doesn't have FRM because it didn't exist yet when that program was made.

(01-20-2020, 10:20 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-18-2020, 04:05 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I know that you recommend to not use other products while using your subliminals, and most members take your word very seriously and follow it even if their intuition maybe say otherwise. I know because I’ve been one.

Anyway, I tried the natural grounding that is posted in the chatter box, and it moved something inside of me. And energetic release that I haven’t been able to do with meditation which I’ve been doing for two years daily, or any of your subliminals.

It can of course be the case that a lot of accumulated effect of both things came to the point at this exact moment and that it was the optimus engine that guided me to do the NG, but who knows. Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

Just a thought.

Maybe you could give NG a look and tell us what you think, I’m sure I’m not the only one interested to hear that.

Natural Grounding, as far as I can tell, is a good way to screw yourself up.  Don't use it with my subs.  If you want to explore NG, do it on its own so you actually know what it did, instead of having no idea what it did vs what the sub might have done, vs what the sub interacting with the NG might have done.  You really can't say NG did anything at all, because you were using too many things at once.  You only know that something happened - not what caused it, and certainly not what it really was.

If anything, I have seen a lot of negative results from using NG, with and without my subs.  Don't do that.

Quote:Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

The subconscious doesn't work like you apparently think it does.  My subliminals communicate to all levels of the subconscious, and there can be no "blockage" like you suggest.  It's not like a pathway or tube.  There can only be a rejection of the subliminal communication, based in fear. That fear is the issue, and that is what I have been working on for years and years now.

Alright I take your word for it.

But how can NG screw you up? In which way I mean.

(01-20-2020, 11:46 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 10:20 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-18-2020, 04:05 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I know that you recommend to not use other products while using your subliminals, and most members take your word very seriously and follow it even if their intuition maybe say otherwise. I know because I’ve been one.

Anyway, I tried the natural grounding that is posted in the chatter box, and it moved something inside of me. And energetic release that I haven’t been able to do with meditation which I’ve been doing for two years daily, or any of your subliminals.

It can of course be the case that a lot of accumulated effect of both things came to the point at this exact moment and that it was the optimus engine that guided me to do the NG, but who knows. Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

Just a thought.

Maybe you could give NG a look and tell us what you think, I’m sure I’m not the only one interested to hear that.

Natural Grounding, as far as I can tell, is a good way to screw yourself up.  Don't use it with my subs.  If you want to explore NG, do it on its own so you actually know what it did, instead of having no idea what it did vs what the sub might have done, vs what the sub interacting with the NG might have done.  You really can't say NG did anything at all, because you were using too many things at once.  You only know that something happened - not what caused it, and certainly not what it really was.

If anything, I have seen a lot of negative results from using NG, with and without my subs.  Don't do that.

Quote:Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

The subconscious doesn't work like you apparently think it does.  My subliminals communicate to all levels of the subconscious, and there can be no "blockage" like you suggest.  It's not like a pathway or tube.  There can only be a rejection of the subliminal communication, based in fear. That fear is the issue, and that is what I have been working on for years and years now.

Alright I take your word for it.

But how can NG screw you up? In which way I mean.

From the reports I have heard from people who have used it, it tends to confuse your sense of masculinity and creates a sort of neutering effect.

(01-20-2020, 11:46 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 10:20 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-18-2020, 04:05 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I know that you recommend to not use other products while using your subliminals, and most members take your word very seriously and follow it even if their intuition maybe say otherwise. I know because I’ve been one.

Anyway, I tried the natural grounding that is posted in the chatter box, and it moved something inside of me. And energetic release that I haven’t been able to do with meditation which I’ve been doing for two years daily, or any of your subliminals.

It can of course be the case that a lot of accumulated effect of both things came to the point at this exact moment and that it was the optimus engine that guided me to do the NG, but who knows. Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

Just a thought.

Maybe you could give NG a look and tell us what you think, I’m sure I’m not the only one interested to hear that.

Natural Grounding, as far as I can tell, is a good way to screw yourself up.  Don't use it with my subs.  If you want to explore NG, do it on its own so you actually know what it did, instead of having no idea what it did vs what the sub might have done, vs what the sub interacting with the NG might have done.  You really can't say NG did anything at all, because you were using too many things at once.  You only know that something happened - not what caused it, and certainly not what it really was.

If anything, I have seen a lot of negative results from using NG, with and without my subs.  Don't do that.

Quote:Anyway it gave me the thought that sometimes your subliminals can’t reach part of our subconscious because it have been so severely blocked and need other types of unblocking, like NG, energy healing, etc. and sometimes members hesitate to use those things because of the fear of doing something that is not working along the subliminal (remember here that many of us have an exaggerated amount of fear already blocking our ability to follow our intuition to help ourselves).

The subconscious doesn't work like you apparently think it does.  My subliminals communicate to all levels of the subconscious, and there can be no "blockage" like you suggest.  It's not like a pathway or tube.  There can only be a rejection of the subliminal communication, based in fear. That fear is the issue, and that is what I have been working on for years and years now.

Alright I take your word for it.

But how can NG screw you up? In which way I mean.

From the reports I have heard from people who have used it, it tends to confuse your sense of masculinity and creates a sort of neutering effect.

Another post by Shannon on Natural grounding https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-smash...2#pid21982

And reading it I agree. You could say natural grounding 'works' in the way that you might notice some shifts, you will notice some emotions come up, and shifts in yourself. But generally in becoming weaker in yourself. It certainly doesn't work as promised and there was guys doing hours of it for the long term not getting anything promised, and Rion would say "do more natural grounding" and even started making dumb promises that it would fix extreme mental problems.

It also doesn't work as promised for attraction, I remember 1 guy it worked for and that's the 1 guy everyone idolized 'Mr Marcus' but everyone else barely got anything.

I was thinking about it last night, and realized that I realized natural grounding seems to make you 'more emotional' (in not a good way) as opposed to actual 'emotional healing'.

I did it for hours a day for months, have a box full of Rion's dvd's I wasted money on, brought all the video cd's of Palmy and others, sometimes it felt interesting doing it. But it didn't do much, nothing near as promised.

(01-20-2020, 03:50 PM)Benjamin Wrote: Another post by Shannon on Natural grounding https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-smash...2#pid21982

And reading it I agree. You could say natural grounding 'works' in the way that you might notice some shifts, you will notice some emotions come up, and shifts in yourself. But generally in becoming weaker in yourself. It certainly doesn't work as promised and there was guys doing hours of it for the long term not getting anything promised, and Rion would say "do more natural grounding" and even started making dumb promises that it would fix extreme mental problems.

It also doesn't work as promised for attraction, I remember 1 guy it worked for and that's the 1 guy everyone idolized 'Mr Marcus' but everyone else barely got anything.

I was thinking about it last night, and realized that I realized natural grounding seems to make you 'more emotional' (in not a good way) as opposed to actual 'emotional healing'.

I did it for hours a day for months, have a box full of Rion's dvd's I wasted money on, brought all the video cd's of Palmy and others, sometimes it felt interesting doing it. But it didn't do much, nothing near as promised.

Thanks for sharing your experience and Shannon’s previous post.

Shannon write in his post that the US have been dominated by feminists, if you have any resources (books, articles) that you could recommend that would be appreciated.

Resources for what?

(01-21-2020, 01:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: Resources for what?

I would like to educate myself in the situation you are describing, I.e. that feminists oppress masculinity, but I have a hard time finding credible sources regarding that.

(01-21-2020, 01:37 PM)Greenduck Wrote:

(01-21-2020, 01:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: Resources for what?

I would like to educate myself in the situation you are describing, I.e. that feminists oppress masculinity, but I have a hard time finding credible sources regarding that.

You're obviously not living in the United States then.  All you have to do is look around.  It's in the laws, the TV shows, the movies, the news, you can't escape it.

(01-21-2020, 01:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: Resources for what?

Shannon, Buddy how are you feeling now?

(01-21-2020, 04:52 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-21-2020, 01:37 PM)Greenduck Wrote:

(01-21-2020, 01:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: Resources for what?

I would like to educate myself in the situation you are describing, I.e. that feminists oppress masculinity, but I have a hard time finding credible sources regarding that.

You're obviously not living in the United States then.  All you have to do is look around.  It's in the laws, the TV shows, the movies, the news, you can't escape it.

Nope i don’t. But don’t you think all of that is just a counter reaction to something that has been going on under the surface? The us seems pretty polar in some stuff so the reaction towards feminism maybe become stronger due to that. In my country we have had it pretty good for both sexes for some time, even though that I can see that the reactions have been creating a bit unbalanced situation between men and women for some time, but it’s stabilizing at least according to me. In any case it would be interesting to read some more about this by someone who has given it some thought, the closest one I’ve discovered yet is Jordan Peterson.

On another note, I have been noticing “cycles” in my life, like different periods have different “themes” in how I feel and how my life is developing, even if it’s just on a very subtle level. It got me thinking from what you told me that everything that cycles is a lesson to be learned, even if it takes a number of cycles to get it. Also I though about the possibility that our deja vu experiences is just our way of noticing a cycle starting over. Interesting.

@Greenduck

Please don't clutter up this thread any more than necessary. If you want to air your thoughts, start your own journal.

(01-22-2020, 03:17 AM)Raz Wrote: @Greenduck

Please don't clutter up this thread any more than necessary. If you want to air your thoughts, start your own journal.

Yes you are right I’m sorry. If you want to reply in my journal I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on my comment Shannon.