(08-07-2018, 04:47 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Dark Plouf. Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever. But before those experiences I assumed everything was just a certain way. No fear involved.
That's what you think. Perhaps you were unable to peg anything that was occurring as fear with your conscious mind - but that doesn't mean your subconscious wasn't absolutely terrified. Just because you didn't observe it or label it consciously, doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Also, your "fast sexual encounters" all occurred while running DMSI, which could easily be Optimus Engine at work.
Quote:Are we really here for "realistic?" The whole point of Shannon choosing a goal like DMSI has is to push the boundaries of what's achievable with subliminals. To some, listening to an ultrasonic track - with no consciously discernible words - that gives them sudden relief from a debilitating tendency to put everything off to mañana would be "unrealistic."
This has nothing to do with my point.
Quote:Really, what you're doing, Plouf, is giving reason(s) you haven't executed DMSI, and are projecting it on everyone here, like "It's an 'unrealistic' goal." It's a challenging goal, to be sure, but as Shannon has shown us again and again with myriad subs and success stories for a plethora of people from different backgrounds, an open mind about what's possible would serve everyone here much better. Certainly much better than "reasons" why something cannot be done.
Please read my post once more. Especially these parts:
Quote:What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.
Quote:The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch
I'm talking about a precise category of people. Everything is relative, DMSI's goal is clearly not unrealistic for many, but for some it is indeed. All I'm saying in that story is, for those people CM depicted, it's more a matter of gaining incremental experiences than removing fear because as I said, I don't see how they are related. I've also genuinely asked how removing fear would make the leap less wide, still waiting for a genuine answer.
Quote:EDIT: Furthermore, regarding "incremental experiences," - if that were necessary to achieve the goal - the subc would create those experiences via H&C and Optimus Engine to achieve the goal.
As it clearly didn't happen so far, maybe that's something that need to be tweaked or actively worded.
I'm already seeing in the list of the changes for 3.3 that Shannon plans to make DMSI's goal more believable for all layers of awareness.
This is what I'm talking about.
Catman did u notice any change in sleep pattern?
Whenever I am motivated and productive my sleep pattern is somehow. fixed. I sleep on time. Also I don't waste time on internet at night. As if I am satisfied what I have accomplished that day by doing and don't want to escape on internet at night to Idk escape from guilt.
Quote:Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever
That's my point. If the sub can manage to produce incremental results over time (which would obviously urge the user to gain experience and learn from them) that'd help closing the too large gap between how the user is and how he wants to be.
(08-07-2018, 05:05 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever
That's my point. If the sub can manage to produce incremental results over time (which would obviously urge the user to gain experience and learn from them) that's help closing the too large gap between how the user is and how he wants to be.
Once again, that should be covered by OE. Obviously if Shannon models a specific module for that, and finds it would improve the program, he'd do it. But the reason those "incremental experiences" - if necessary - aren't happening is because of fear of achieving the goal. Just like Mat said.
That's just my opinion.
This is a good addition to what I've been trying to say:
From @
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Quote:Shannon
For all I know this or something similar could already be in DMSI but just wanted to throw it out there. I was just wondering if you've thought about putting partial/staged execution into DMSI, meaning let's take an extreme example and say a guy wakes up from a 10 year coma at the age of 18 and has 0 experience with women, the last thing he remembers about women is sharing his crayons with a classmate. Obviously he'll have some blocks and inexperience to get over in order to reach the final goals of DMSI but maybe he could execute at or +1 step of what he's ready for. So for example instead of DMSI trying to execute "women approach me for sex" it would look more like:
Full post here:
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Men-s...#pid202292
(08-07-2018, 04:51 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2018, 04:47 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Dark Plouf. Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever. But before those experiences I assumed everything was just a certain way. No fear involved.
That's what you think. Perhaps you were unable to peg anything that was occurring as fear with your conscious mind - but that doesn't mean your subconscious wasn't absolutely terrified. Just because you didn't observe it or label it consciously, doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Also, your "fast sexual encounters" all occurred while running DMSI, which could easily be Optimus Engine at work.
Yes but as Shannon is fond to say, there are too many variables to know exactly what is causing what. I like my theory because it is the one that makes the most sense to me. Ever since those experiences my perception had changed. Oddly however, I’m not getting more sex.
(08-07-2018, 04:57 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Are we really here for "realistic?" The whole point of Shannon choosing a goal like DMSI has is to push the boundaries of what's achievable with subliminals. To some, listening to an ultrasonic track - with no consciously discernible words - that gives them sudden relief from a debilitating tendency to put everything off to mañana would be "unrealistic."
This has nothing to do with my point.
Quote:Really, what you're doing, Plouf, is giving reason(s) you haven't executed DMSI, and are projecting it on everyone here, like "It's an 'unrealistic' goal." It's a challenging goal, to be sure, but as Shannon has shown us again and again with myriad subs and success stories for a plethora of people from different backgrounds, an open mind about what's possible would serve everyone here much better. Certainly much better than "reasons" why something cannot be done.
Please read my post once more. Especially these parts:
Quote:What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.
Quote:The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch
I'm talking about a precise category of people. Everything is relative, DMSI's goal is clearly not unrealistic for many, but for some it is indeed. All I'm saying in that story is, for those people CM depicted, it's more a matter of gaining incremental experiences than removing fear because as I said, I don't see how they are related. I've also genuinely asked how removing fear would make the leap less wide, still waiting for a genuine answer.
Quote:EDIT: Furthermore, regarding "incremental experiences," - if that were necessary to achieve the goal - the subc would create those experiences via H&C and Optimus Engine to achieve the goal.
As it clearly didn't happen so far, maybe that's something that need to be tweaked or actively worded.
I'm already seeing in the list of the changes planned for 3.3 that Shannon plans to make DMSI's goal more believable for all layers of awareness.
This is what I'm talking about.
Link to that list you mentioned?
(08-07-2018, 05:59 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Here ya go:
Quote:I have a list of additions as long as my arm. lol I want some of them to be a pleasant surprise that I tell you about when I release the program, but a few from the list include...
Prevent unwanted conception.
Improve anti-STD programming.
Make it win-win for the user and the affected to execute.
Improve adjustment of self image to be congruent with what DMSI is attempting to achieve.
Make your actions and choices congruent with celebrity.
Prevent hiring a hooker or an escort to pay your way to sex as an escape from executing DMSI.
Adjust the perception of the goals of the program to make them reasonable, natural, possible.
Modulate the effects of the entire aura to make them non-threatening on a case by case basis.
Improve disconnect from negativity programming.
Communicate to all layers and levels of awareness that you consciously want to achieve the goals of this program, and are giving yourself permission to do so.
I'll stop there. There's a lot more, of course. I have been gathering ideas from the forum discussions for a while now. The really interesting stuff will remain a secret, at least for now.
Thanks. Even reading that bold part makes me think that means the program will be dumbed down. Clearly I still have some limiting beliefs. Obviously it means that the outrageousness of DMSI will seem entirely natural to us once incorporated into our psyche. I just hope Shannon has anti-leeching tech in there. We don’t need other people stealing our DMSI vibes. Although I do believe that has been fixed this version.
RIP Catman's journal. I think we can all agree our perspectives and beliefs surrounding this stuff are all different. But the main goal is forward progress, so for now I don't think we're getting anywhere except voicing our opinions and cluttering up Catman's space.
Guys? I think we lost Catman
(08-07-2018, 08:51 AM)mat422 Wrote: [ -> ]RIP Catman's journal. I think we can all agree our perspectives and beliefs surrounding this stuff are all different. But the main goal is forward progress, so for now I don't think we're getting anywhere except voicing our opinions and cluttering up Catman's space.
I think it's his own fault for dropping that DMSI post here.
Yeah, you're right, but hopefully, something can be useful to Shannon amongst what has been said.
Quote:Guys? I think we lost Catman
Nah, CatMan is omnipotent, he's everywhere. Didn't you read that "The Illusion of CatMan" book on Amazon? You should read, you'll understand.
LMAO...apparently I'm a psychic. I predicted this, lol
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(08-06-2018, 07:01 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2018, 04:53 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2018, 04:00 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]...
Answering this in my journal discussion thread, where you should have asked it.
(08-06-2018, 04:58 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment I thought this was discussion thread
LMAO.
Reminds me of my old journal, where there were massive derails often. Sometimes like 3-4 completely separate and unrelated in any way, conversations (read: arguments, lol...) going on in it. Lol!!
People coming in and saying stuff like "man, CatMan has posted like 3 times, and we're already on the 4th damn page, LMAO!!!"
XD
I'm glad my posts can sometimes garner discussions and insight etc. helps advance the programs in the end. All good things 
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I mean it's better than me posting huge novels about stuff in my mind, and people being like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ba9yb83JY
(08-07-2018, 08:51 AM)mat422 Wrote: [ -> ]RIP Catman's journal. I think we can all agree our perspectives and beliefs surrounding this stuff are all different. But the main goal is forward progress, so for now I don't think we're getting anywhere except voicing our opinions and cluttering up Catman's space.
(08-07-2018, 08:53 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]Guys? I think we lost Catman
Hilarious! Great posts by all of you though, I can see the logic in each, both perspectives. In fact, I thought originally, as I have always thought, that my perception of DMSI's goal working on girls I know around me as often being very far fetched and hard to get behind. Of course, I've still dutifully used the program, but needed some pretty clear proof in reality it worked with these girls to actually be a real believer in it. Like Plouf said, and as I did earlier about it being "from one extreme to the other", and fear may be the thing there holding things back, although in that instance I'm not sure how. Just seems to be an issue of perception, me believing the world is round because to me it always has been, then somebody telling me it's flat, and me asking for proof before believing in it. Girls I like just still seem beyond my reach now, the idea of them becoming sexually attracted to me and pursuing me for sex has sounded, and still I admit, sound late night infomercialy, lol. We'll see if it can turn girls around that I know I failed to attract before, ones where I KNOW it'd be a legit 180 and proof of the program's success. We'll see. But just for the record, I've often had trouble getting behind the concept of the program because the girls I really am attracted to around me, I just often find it very hard to believe they could find me sexually attractive and I'D be the one chased by THEM. Thinking about that being reality, it's hard to truly get immersed in as it feels like a dream or teasing myself type of deal. Seems to be too much of a stretch to really get behind now because there's very little overlap in precedent and reality. Can't compute that yet, I'd need hard proof in reality it seems, to really be a believer in the program. That's all I've meant. Until then, I'll report, and continue using whatever version is available, and we'll see I guess.
Thank you all for the time and posts.
And Zane, I'm working on a couple books, and some cool stuff on Audible, if people are down
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