(08-06-2018, 04:00 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,
I am curious about something. Since you are the creator of all your programs and you know exactly what is in them, does that affect your experience using them?
Is it different from what your clients have since for them, it is basically a surprise....
Answering this in my journal discussion thread, where you should have asked it.
(08-06-2018, 04:50 PM)findingme Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2018, 03:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The key (literally why it's called Key #2) is preventing the fear that results in the beliefs that are limiting the person.
Preventing the fear sounds like gold Shannon. I remember when someone asked about the reason for people's procrastination in your journal many months back, you said the reason is fear. You quickly admitted that at that point in time, you'd not found a solution yet to stop it in its tracks.
You've tried to "let go of, reject, release, disconnect from, dissolve and utterly destroy" fear......and some base fears have hung on. Some of mine have too.
Preventing fear? I stand amazed. Thank you. Your perseverance is opening doors that were believed to be frozen shut forever! Wow..........
I haven't done it yet. It's right now a concept that has been developed, but not tested or refined. Wait until we see it working before you stand amazed.
For a moment I thought this was discussion thread
(08-06-2018, 09:51 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]The idea of DMSI somehow manifesting these two girls [ ... ] to come back to my life
Not only did anything DMSI-related NOT manifest these two girls "coming back into your life," those two girls didn't actually come back into your life. You went to IG and due to browser settings and IG's backend programming your previous login was stored and apparently not yet expired. You're reading a lot more into that than what actually happened, and everything that happened afterwards is based on a falsity, the idea that these girls came back into your life simply by your looking at their pics online.
I sometimes get on myself about overanalyzing, CatMan, so believe me when I say that I believe you overanalyzed that situation, getting yourself worked up over a technological coincidence. That's really the only thing about the account you gave that I wanted to opine upon.
(08-06-2018, 06:07 PM)apollolux Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2018, 09:51 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]The idea of DMSI somehow manifesting these two girls [ ... ] to come back to my life
Not only did anything DMSI-related NOT manifest these two girls "coming back into your life," those two girls didn't actually come back into your life. You went to IG and due to browser settings and IG's backend programming your previous login was stored and apparently not yet expired. You're reading a lot more into that than what actually happened, and everything that happened afterwards is based on a falsity, the idea that these girls came back into your life simply by your looking at their pics online.
I sometimes get on myself about overanalyzing, CatMan, so believe me when I say that I believe you overanalyzed that situation, getting yourself worked up over a technological coincidence. That's really the only thing about the account you gave that I wanted to opine upon.
You misread that sentence, Apollo.
That was meant as a HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE SCENARIO of them coming back to my life to seduce me for sex a la design goal and how I feel that's such an unlikely scenario currently. Based off limiting beliefs of my current worth and attractiveness.
That sentence wasn't suggesting NOW they were manifested at all. Which yes, would be dumb as I just creeped them on social media in reality...
I'm surprised that was misread as such to be honest. Maybe a speed read though.
However, I feel much better since writing one of them. Weird, I know I may not even hear back...but somehow that doesn't really bother me. Just writing relieved something I guess.
Onward and upward. I look forward to Key #2, if it goes into V3.3 I may see some tangible results for DMSI externally through it at last. I hope it goes in and I don't have to wait for it until V3.4.
And I'm sorry, @
Shannon . I felt there are millions of derails in that thread, lmao. I decided to just add it here to try to avoid one more, hahahaha.
(08-06-2018, 04:53 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2018, 04:00 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]...
Answering this in my journal discussion thread, where you should have asked it.
(08-06-2018, 04:58 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment I thought this was discussion thread
LMAO.
Reminds me of my old journal, where there were massive derails often. Sometimes like 3-4 completely separate and unrelated in any way, conversations (read: arguments, lol...) going on in it. Lol!!
People coming in and saying stuff like "man, CatMan has posted like 3 times, and we're already on the 4th damn page, LMAO!!!"
XD
I'm glad my posts can sometimes garner discussions and insight etc. helps advance the programs in the end. All good things
.
I mean it's better than me posting huge novels about stuff in my mind, and people being like:
https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/...1533617967
(08-06-2018, 04:58 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment I thought this was discussion thread
Sorry about interruption. I thought that THIS was Shannon journal...
BTW, you have a very nice journal Catman! ;-)
But, is the issue described by CatMan related to fear? I fail to see how it's directly related.
What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.
Just to give a good analogy, it's similar to a very poor person praying, using LOA, listening to subs and the heck like that to earn $100k a month.
What are the odds of success? Just like money doesn't appear out of thin air, so do beautiful women that actually happen to like you. And this is especially true, if, since the beginning, you have the short end of the stick. If you have never been the Derek that makes women go crazy all the time, the goal of DMSI is unrealistic. (Read this: unrealistic for the not so Derek people)
That's why there's a reasonable rule when one wants to assert his will over reality. Dream big but aim for a small step at a time. Aim for steps that are not too simple or too far ahead. I'm not saying Shannon is uneducated on that simple concept. (Please guys stop starting fights for nothing).
A smart strategy for a poor wanting to earn $100k a month isn't to go directly for $100k a month but to set a reasonable roadmap, starting from getting a job or a promotion, then discovering secret sources of money, then investing, and so on, so on.
If we port that analogy to DMSI, maybe a better approach for the "never have been Derek" kind of people, a first step would be to aim for physical changes to increase attractiveness. No matter what people want to believe, you can't do shit with women if you ain't handsome and physically attractive. There are hundreds of men better than an average-looking guy so why would a woman in his sane mind want to settle for you? Especially if we're talking about hooking up. I mean no offense, but I think most of the people struggling with women are not attractive enough.
Then maybe the next step would be some communication skills to do not derp when you want to take a woman home...
All in all the user has to do small steps and get experiences from them. If your last interactions with women were being rejected over and over again there's no way your next one would be fucking them. A reasonable "next interaction" would be having a nice/flirty chat with them, for example.
I think this is what CatMan was trying to say, but as I said I don't see how is fear involved with that?
Plot Twist: Catman's subconscious is executing this because it feels like it'll get an extended break from having to resist anything DMSI related if he's focused on other stuff in life ;P, wouldn't that be the darndest! Conversely, it stands to reason that perhaps procrastination isn't as deeply rooted of an issue as what is essentially something which is tied to survival/literal life and death in the more animalian parts of the brain. I'm very interested in this sub.
(08-07-2018, 12:59 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]But, is the issue described by CatMan related to fear? I fail to see how it's directly related.
What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.
Just to give a good analogy, it's similar to a very poor person praying, using LOA, listening to subs and the heck like that to earn $100k a month.
Do you seriously believe that $100k will fall on his lap given on very poor he is? Just like money doesn't appear out of thin air, so do beautiful women that actually happen to like you. And this is especially true, if, since the beginning, you have the short end of the stick. If you have never been the Derek that makes women go crazy all the time, the goal of DMSI is unrealistic.
That's why there's a reasonable rule when one wants to assert his will over reality. Dream big but aim for a small step at a time. Aim for steps that are not too simple or too far ahead.
A smart strategy for a poor wanting to earn $100k a month isn't to go directly for $100k a month but to set a reasonable roadmap, starting from getting a job or a promotion, then discovering secret sources of money, then investing, and so on, so on.
If we port that analogy to DMSI, maybe a better approach for the "never have been Derek" kind of people, a first step would be to aim for physical changes to increase attractiveness. No matter what people want to believe, you can't do shit with women if you ain't handsome and physically attractive. There are hundreds of men better than an average-looking guy so why would a woman in his sane mind want to settle for you? Especially if we're talking about hooking up. I mean no offense, but I think most of the people struggling with women are not attractive enough.
Then maybe the next step would be some communication skills to do not derp when you want to take a woman home...
All in all the user has to do small steps and get experiences from them. If your last interactions with women were being rejected over and over again there's no way your next one would be ***** them. A reasonable "nex interaction" would be having a nice/flirty chat with them, for example.
I think this is what CatMan was trying to say, but as I said I don't see how is fear involved with that?
I get where you are coming from but it really is fear that stops people. Lack of belief in something stems from somewhere. Whether that's holding onto old beliefs out of safety or not having confidence in one's abilities. Everything you wrote here is just a manifestation of your own fear framed in a "this is how reality really works" mindset.
If you woke up tomorrow and had dmsi executing flawlessly for you, how would that make you feel? To have your entire perceived reality flipped on it's head? Be honest. Would that be a little nerve-wracking for you? Uncomfortable?
Quote:I get where you are coming from but it really is fear that stops people
I wasn't talking about what stops people. I was talking about the issue CM reported. DMSI's goal being TOO much of a leap for some people. All of us have very different starting point. I think some starting point are too far behind.
Shannon answered by "I'm developing key #2 to remove fear", but I genuinely do not see the link with fear and a goal being unrealistic for a given situation. Genuine question, how are they related?
I am not saying fear isn't an issue, it is indeed a hindrance in many cases, and generally, but I do not see how is fear related with a goal being out of reach from a given start point. That seems to me an unsuitable approach. With & without fear, a poor asking $100k a month is still an unrealistic feat.
Of course a remove-fear module is great, but it's just that I fail to see how it'd resolve what CM described.
The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch. I think for those people what they need more than anything else is real world,
incremental experiences. As he said so well, DMSI instructions aren't backed up by real world experience, and it is indeed and issue for some users. For me at least, it sucked so much because the programming seemed to dissolve every time what I see in reality is different from what my subC has been instructed to believe.
Quote:If you woke up tomorrow and had dmsi executing flawlessly for you, how would that make you feel? To have your entire perceived reality flipped on it's head? Be honest. Would that be a little nerve-wracking for you? Uncomfortable?
Are you kidding, that'd be paradise.
Everyone is analyzing Catman,as if he's a some sort of universal mystery/secret ...Code Named "CM" .. Haha..
I sure if this keeps going on we will have books published on Catman -
The Mystery of Catman- By (Name).
The Illusion of Catman - By...
Available on Amazon
(08-07-2018, 03:09 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I get where you are coming from but it really is fear that stops people
I wasn't talking about what stops people. I was talking about the issue CM reported. DMSI's goal being TOO much of a leap.
Shannon answered by "I'm developing key #2 to remove fear", but I genuinely do not see the link with fear and a goal being unrealistic. Genuine question, how are they related?
I am not saying fear isn't an issue, it is indeed a hindrance in many cases, and generally, but I do not see how is fear related with a goal being out of reach from a given start point. That seems to me an unsuitable approach. With & without fear, a poor asking $100k a month is still an unrealistic feat.
The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch. I think for those people what they need more than anything else is real world, incremental experiences. Has he said so well, DMSI instructions aren't backed up by real world experience, and it is indeed and issue for some users.
Quote:If you woke up tomorrow and had dmsi executing flawlessly for you, how would that make you feel? To have your entire perceived reality flipped on it's head? Be honest. Would that be a little nerve-wracking for you? Uncomfortable?
Are you kidding, that'd be paradise.
Are we really here for "realistic?" The whole point of Shannon choosing a goal like DMSI has is to push the boundaries of what's achievable with subliminals. To some, listening to an ultrasonic track - with no consciously discernible words - that gives them sudden relief from a debilitating tendency to put everything off to mañana would be "unrealistic."
Really, what you're doing, Plouf, is giving reason(s) you haven't executed DMSI, and are projecting it on everyone here, like "It's an 'unrealistic' goal." It's a challenging goal, to be sure, but as Shannon has shown us again and again with myriad subs and success stories for a plethora of people from different backgrounds, an open mind about what's possible would serve everyone here much better. Certainly much better than "reasons" why something cannot be done.
Give Shannon's process of creating better, more effective ways to make these subliminals overcome the barriers in various people's minds some more breathing room, and as time marches on, we'll see changes that produce the "real world" experiences you're talking about. Catman's progress, albeit with a different goal than DMSI, should be encouraging for everyone.
EDIT: Furthermore, regarding "incremental experiences," - if that were necessary to achieve the goal - the subc would create those experiences via H&C and Optimus Engine to achieve the goal.
I agree with Dark Plouf. Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever. But before those experiences I assumed everything was just a certain way. No fear involved.