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My brother had dilated pupils while talking with me today. Seemed trying to earn his spot in the conversation and really working at it.
Would love to see this happening with women I want.
The should keep trying as long as I want them to, and the same goes for me.
Both parties should keep trying to vibe till the vibe leads to sex.
(09-12-2017, 05:35 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Today I had a lot of bad reactions from people despite practicing better social skills.
They are the same skills I was using yesterday which gave me good results. It's crazy I have this pattern:
Try something new > GREAT initial results > VERY BAD subsequent results
Odd.
Also, got paranoid and scared because of something. It's probably all in my head but it introduced a new mindset: imagine everything you do is being recorded and will be available to people for judgement.
Wtf DMSI?
This is what I meant by overgeneralization in your last thread. You've tried something twice and you've made a conclusion on it.
(09-12-2017, 10:34 PM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017, 05:35 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Today I had a lot of bad reactions from people despite practicing better social skills.
They are the same skills I was using yesterday which gave me good results. It's crazy I have this pattern:
Try something new > GREAT initial results > VERY BAD subsequent results
Odd.
Also, got paranoid and scared because of something. It's probably all in my head but it introduced a new mindset: imagine everything you do is being recorded and will be available to people for judgement.
Wtf DMSI?
This is what I meant by overgeneralization in your last thread. You've tried something twice and you've made a conclusion on it.
Not just twice. I spoke to many people today. Mostly bad reactions, some VERY bad reactions. Reactions I'm not usually getting.
I see your point but understand that it's my neck on the line.
So after reading some new info about DMSI I am considering dropping it entirely.
I'm very disappointed. DMSI had a chance to be great but it's just not.
Maybe I'll go the am 6 route like Raykon.
Not sure.
Very disappointed.
(09-13-2017, 03:33 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]So after reading some new info about DMSI I am considering dropping it entirely.
I'm very disappointed. DMSI had a chance to be great but it's just not.
Maybe I'll go the am 6 route like Raykon.
Not sure.
Very disappointed.
Sounds like you could use MLS 5.5g. You're doing a lot of learning especially with regards to socialising and sales. 4Kingdoms noted that he's synthesising knowledge from years of trading study to finally start turning a profit. Same with Raikohoken.
By the sounds of it with your neck on the line you're going into survival mode. I can't recall if you were in D2D but I follow I guy on YouTube "Bryan Casella" whose an absolute gun at sales. He just bought a new lambo. I've seen snippets of his live coaching and it's gold. If I were in the sales game I'd be studying his and Grant Cardones stuff. Either way it seems learning/ integrating/ applying is your process atm hence MLS
Thanks but I have my own plans moving forward.
AM6 is pretty amazing - I still think it rocks though it's hard and leaves me dark af. I probably need a good run or two of it for it to have it's final impact but by the time I get to it AM7 will probably be out.
I still don't buy into your process, it seems way too subjective and based on limited interpretations of peoples behaviour which deem devoid of empathy or just a general sense of what people are like.
Still I got nothing to offer in place beyond what I've said previously (and to which you've responded unhappily) so i'll just say Keep on going man. One way or another you'll get there.
(09-13-2017, 07:01 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]AM6 is pretty amazing - I still think it rocks though it's hard and leaves me dark af. I probably need a good run or two of it for it to have it's final impact but by the time I get to it AM7 will probably be out.
I still don't buy into your process, it seems way too subjective and based on limited interpretations of peoples behaviour which deem devoid of empathy or just a general sense of what people are like.
Still I got nothing to offer in place beyond what I've said previously (and to which you've responded unhappily) so i'll just say Keep on going man. One way or another you'll get there.
I'm not sure if AM 6 is the right way forward for me.
As for my process, it works in sales, which is how I make my living. I don't really give a f*ck about much beyond that.
Damn, I wish I had DMSI ver 2.1
That's the one I need.
Was in a waiting room today.
7/10 blonde came in. AMAZING 10/10 ass in yoga pants tho. *drool*
I got a boner in the waiting room and was afraid I'd cum in my pants.
She may have looked at me a few times, unsure. When she walked past me as she was leaving she looked at my shoes then kept her eyes on the floor however.
Had I not been occupied, I prolly would have tried to start a convo with her.
Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".
I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.
Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.
It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).
Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.
It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.
I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.
(09-13-2017, 05:17 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".
I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.
Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.
It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).
Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.
It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.
I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.
I'm not entirely sure how much use his biography would be in learning Charisma but if you're getting value from it then good for you.
This is a blog post on the Tim Feriss blog regarding Bill Clinton's Charisma. While he does get a few things right, he mistakenly attributes his Charisma to eye contact over what's really going on (which is his presence).
https://tim.blog/2010/11/21/bill-clinton...ion-field/
In the 3 step process he places step 3 as being physically present with your audience which is crucial.
In that link I sent you via PM "Charisma training" the owner and head coach delineates Charisma and charm in this manner
Charm: the ability to make whomever you speak to the centre of your world I.e being completely present with them
Charisma: the ability to create emotional spikes in your audience
The art of charisma is creating the intended emotional spikes in your audience.
Think of a bad boy who women can't get enough of. Unknowingly he's creating all kinds of emotional spikes for her (good and bad) which sends her on an emtional roller coaster and gets her addicted. Or a Hollywood movie which uses advanced story telling to create the right combination of emotional spikes to keep the viewer engaged and enthralled.
Bill Clinton combines both very well (charm and charisma) and to good effect. If you're interested in learning this as a formal process then I'd recommend you follow up on that link I sent. They break charisma down into a nuts and bolts science which I found to be ground breaking as previously people used to believe that charisma was something a person is born with rather than taught.
Hope that helps man and good luck on your journey
(09-13-2017, 11:02 PM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017, 05:17 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".
I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.
Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.
It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).
Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.
It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.
I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.
I'm not entirely sure how much use his biography would be in learning Charisma but if you're getting value from it then good for you.
This is a blog post on the Tim Feriss blog regarding Bill Clinton's Charisma. While he does get a few things right, he mistakenly attributes his Charisma to eye contact over what's really going on (which is his presence).
https://tim.blog/2010/11/21/bill-clinton...ion-field/
In the 3 step process he places step 3 as being physically present with your audience which is crucial.
In that link I sent you via PM "Charisma training" the owner and head coach delineates Charisma and charm in this manner
Charm: the ability to make whomever you speak to the centre of your world I.e being completely present with them
Charisma: the ability to create emotional spikes in your audience
The art of charisma is creating the intended emotional spikes in your audience.
Think of a bad boy who women can't get enough of. Unknowingly he's creating all kinds of emotional spikes for her (good and bad) which sends her on an emtional roller coaster and gets her addicted. Or a Hollywood movie which uses advanced story telling to create the right combination of emotional spikes to keep the viewer engaged and enthralled.
Bill Clinton combines both very well (charm and charisma) and to good effect. If you're interested in learning this as a formal process then I'd recommend you follow up on that link I sent. They break charisma down into a nuts and bolts science which I found to be ground breaking as previously people used to believe that charisma was something a person is born with rather than taught.
Hope that helps man and good luck on your journey
I don't want to appear ungrateful or dismissive.
I'd love it if we could share ideas and provide each other feedback, but I did try the charisma training. Specifically the smile suggestion of his and it didn't work. I'm therefore hesitant to take any more of his advice.
"Crucial Conversations" has helped a lot.
I'm seeing what's going on in convos with people. Able to make slight corrections but I don't know all the "tricks" yet.
Obviously, it's not about tricking people, it's about making a safe space for everyone to contribute to what the book calls "the pool of meaning".
So now, when people talk to me a lot, even though I still don't know what to do with it, I at least know one thing: it's a good sign.
So long as it's not unhealthy remarks, which are detailed in the book.
Unhealthy remarks signal the need for more safety to be provided for all concerned and for mutual goals and respect to be present.
I'm hopeful.
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