Subliminal Talk

(10-24-2017, 01:05 AM)Raykon Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2017, 01:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Chatted with my Grandma on the phone today.

She basically asked me "When are you going to get yourself a REAL job?" lol.

Don't take it personal. My aunt and grandma are extremely critical of me as well and have an old fashioned mindset (if your not in school to become a doctor or engineer your a **** up = there mindset)

Thanks man.

I take it as a good sign tbh. But, it still hurts a little.

Reading more of "Awaken the Giant Within" I'm about 125 pages into it.

Something Tony says is about "pain vs. pleasure" associations.

I know Shannon tried this for DMSI and it didn't seem to work. But from what I'm reading, it's simply the ASSOCIATION of pain or pleasure that motivates us, NOT actual pain or pleasure (which I think is what Shannon tried with the morphine drip). So maybe there's a chance to augment that.

Another thing: It never sat right with me how Shannon said he'd remove the pain aspect from the new program because I thought it might make us numb to pain and therefore feel like there are no negative consequences which would be VERY bad.

One of the reasons I was glad that Shannon was removing that aspect was because I personally can linger on painful emotions. But even then, it's still the "pain pleasure" response, in that it's LESS painful to sit with the pain than to do something about it.

We still need that pain if we're to outgrow bad behaviors.

Pain like shame for letting a friend down or being depressed because you don't contribute to society. Those are HEALTHY and should not be numbed imo.

Another thing Tony says is that you can have MORE positive than negative reasons to change or improve but STILL remain unchanged if the reason to not change is MORE EMOTIONALLY CHARGED.

So, for example:

Let's say you want to quit smoking.

Your Reasons For Quitting are:
You don't want to get lung cancer
You want to live long and healthy
You don't like the taste of cigarettes
You could definitely use the extra money you'd get from not buying all those packs of cigarettes


But the Reason you have for NOT Quitting is simply:
You'll lose your friends


IF That ONE belief for not quitting is more emotionally compelling than the others, you won't change.

You link MORE PAIN to quitting than you do to not quitting because for you, losing your friends is MORE PAINFUL than the reasons to quit smoking.

So perhaps something like that is going on with DMSI.

HOWEVER, it should be noted that simply having the right beliefs won't lead to success, one needs to know HOW and WHAT to do, but that's besides the point for this post.

(10-24-2017, 05:04 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Reading more of "Awaken the Giant Within" I'm about 125 pages into it.

Something Tony says is about "pain vs. pleasure" associations.

I know Shannon tried this for DMSI and it didn't seem to work. But from what I'm reading, it's simply the ASSOCIATION of pain or pleasure that motivates us, NOT actual pain or pleasure (which I think is what Shannon tried with the morphine drip). So maybe there's a chance to augment that.

Another thing: It never sat right with me how Shannon said he'd remove the pain aspect from the new program because I thought it might make us numb to pain and therefore feel like there are no negative consequences which would be VERY bad.

One of the reasons I was glad that Shannon was removing that aspect was because I personally can linger on painful emotions. But even then, it's still the "pain pleasure" response, in that it's LESS painful to sit with the pain than to do something about it.

We still need that pain if we're to outgrow bad behaviors.

Pain like shame for letting a friend down or being depressed because you don't contribute to society. Those are HEALTHY and should not be numbed imo.

Another thing Tony says is that you can have MORE positive than negative reasons to change or improve but STILL remain unchanged if the reason to not change is MORE EMOTIONALLY CHARGED.

So, for example:

Let's say you want to quit smoking.

Your Reasons For Quitting are:
You don't want to get lung cancer
You want to live long and healthy
You don't like the taste of cigarettes
You could definitely use the extra money you'd get from not buying all those packs of cigarettes


But the Reason you have for NOT Quitting is simply:
You'll lose your friends


IF That ONE belief for not quitting is more emotionally compelling than the others, you won't change.

You link MORE PAIN to quitting than you do to not quitting because for you, losing your friends is MORE PAINFUL than the reasons to quit smoking.

So perhaps something like that is going on with DMSI.

HOWEVER, it should be noted that simply having the right beliefs won't lead to success, one needs to know HOW and WHAT to do, but that's besides the point for this post.

the pain pleasure thing is very real. I learned about it two years ago and been thinking about it allot since then.

That's why its so important to always remind yourself why your doing what your doing and why it is your doing it.

(10-24-2017, 05:25 PM)Raykon Wrote: [ -> ]the pain pleasure thing is very real. I learned about it two years ago and been thinking about it allot since then.

That's why its so important to always remind yourself why your doing what your doing and why it is your doing it.

So true. A few pages over and Tony says:

"I've found that 20% of any change is knowing how; but 80% is knowing why"

So today at the gym that desk girl was there again.

She held strong EC and smiled warmly at me.

She also said to me "Seems like I've seen you twice in one day"

I said "You have!" (my humor there. Just silly I guess)

And she looks puzzled. I'm like "Twice in one week."

She says "yeah but I mean it seems like I've seen you twice in one DAY"

I'm like "Ah yes, so the days are blurring together for you then. No good"

we get talking about her and how she's going to school to become a nurse and stuff. Eventually she's talking about how hard it is to get into nursing school. I'm like "Well that's kind of good. We don't want just anyone being nurses" she goes "yeah, I guess" and I'm like "You'll make it tho." she LIGHTS up and says "well THANK YOU!" and I'm like "No worries, see you" and I go off to do my workout.

As I'm working out I figure I'd better go for her number. She always seems interested in me and today she made a definite point to engage me in convo.

So when I'm done I go up to the front. She's on the phone and I'm like "On hold?" she's like "no... oh, you're done?" and I'm like "yeah" she stays on the phone. >>

I wait a bit then just as I'm about to leave she hangs up without saying anything to whoever was on the phone (if there even was anyone?)

So I'm like "so... with work and school, do you ever get any free time?"

she goes "well a month ago I was working full time and doing school full time so there was like NO time at all. Now, still not so much..." she keeps talking saying she'll have to find time at some point.

I'm like "Yeah, cause I was thinking we should hang out some time"

She rolls her eyes, looks to the side and says "I don't think that's a good idea"

I'm like "why not?"

she says "because I don't think my significant other would like it"

I hold my finger up to my lips in a "shhhh" gesture and say "he doesn't need to know" but right then, some guy comes up to the desk and she looks at him to sign him in so I just quickly say "No worries, take care" and leave.

So today I went to a surgeon to deter mine whether or not I 'need' surgery for my pectus excavatum.

She was female.

Anyhow, we got talking about it, normal stuff, then she asked "Does it run in your family" and I'm like "I assume so because it's a genetic defect" then she's like "No, we don't assume anything. We need to be rational." and I'm like "ok but, it's genetic." and she goes "We're supposed to be on the same team here." and I'm like "We are! I'm just trying to figure out how it works. If this is a genetic disorder that skips a generation, how could it NOT be in the family?" she just reiterates "we don't assume. So, is there a history of it in your family" I'm like "not that I know of."

But that seriously hit me sideways. Wtf?

Anyone else find that strange?

Anyhow, my condition isn't bad enough to qualify for surgery. I still want it though for aesthetic reasons. Guess I'd better make some money.

I have a light pectus exavatus too. Seems like it's common with skinny guys .

Yes I find her behavior strange, WTFesque. She has a problem.

(10-25-2017, 01:17 PM)Plouf Wrote: [ -> ]I have a light pectus exavatus too. Seems like it's common with skinny guys .

Yeah I've heard that too.

Didn't know you had it tho, that's cool.

I honestly thought it was normal till I came across something about it online a while ago lol.

(10-25-2017, 01:17 PM)Plouf Wrote: [ -> ]Yes I find her behavior strange, WTFesque. She has a problem.

Glad it's not just me.

Perhaps she was being hit by the DMSI aura and was verbally telling HERSELF to remain rational lol.

However, IRT the pectus, RATIONALLY, if it is a genetic defect, then it HAS to be in the family somewhere. It's only rational.

My first instinct says she is testing you. Battle of frames so to speak. It doesnt really matter why she did it. You are the decider.

It reminds me of C in a way. Running DMSI made her go borderline haywire and testy. Antisniper? Arousal and thus erratic response because she hasnt encountered such a SI man? Whatever it is, its a big possibility it was a reaction to DMSI and an assertion of position.

Such behaviour doesnt phase me but is a good sign DMSI is working. Sexuality, especially in terms of women and them being emotional ( theyre pretty much little girls beneath all the posturing ) can bring out the most irrational responses and behaviours. It reminds me of Dzemoo when had this 11/10 chick.

I also feel in a way its outside their control and their sexual nature aswell as their "true hardwired self" overrides all resistence there is like they cant contain themselves, including mixed signals due subconscious reactions to you.

(10-25-2017, 02:24 PM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]My first instinct says she is testing you. Battle of frames so to speak. It doesnt really matter why she did it. You are the decider.

It reminds me of C in a way. Running DMSI made her go borderline haywire and testy. Antisniper? Arousal and thus erratic response because she hasnt encountered such a SI man? Whatever it is, its a big possibility it was a reaction to DMSI and an assertion of position.

Such behaviour doesnt phase me but is a good sign DMSI is working. Sexuality, especially in terms of women and them being emotional ( theyre pretty much little girls beneath all the posturing ) can bring out the most irrational responses and behaviours. It reminds me of Dzemoo when had this 11/10 chick.

I also feel in a way its outside their control and their sexual nature aswell as their "true hardwired self" overrides all resistence there is like they cant contain themselves, including mixed signals due subconscious reactions to you.

Interesting.

Well I guess I failed the test then. ><

Thing is, when women do this shit it turns me right the f*ck off.

What I did was decide within myself "ok, this woman is crazy/not listening, so I'm gonna get myself a better doctor"

Immediately nexted. Me failing the shit test in that situation is a win for me, becasuse it means she's out of my life.

Having said that, she did offer me her number. Not directly,m but she said "if you need help call me and we can talk about this"

But it was just BS that I didn't want to deal with. This is my health, not a game.

I don't see that conversation as not normal. I wasn't there to be sure but just from the conversation I don't see anything crazy.

I say that because a lot of women and even men behave like that. They are stuck on one idea and can't see the other point of view.
And from Sarge reaction he was stuck on his idea also.
Last time I was talking with a woman she did that, and I'm around 98% sure she wasn't attracted to me.

Basic argument which you also do on this forum Sarge. So nothing exceptional in my opinion whether male or female

I don't know if she was attracted but she sure seems crazy to me. I'd have nexted so hard too.

(10-25-2017, 03:03 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see that conversation as not normal. I wasn't there to be sure but just from the conversation I don't see anything crazy.

I say that because a lot of women and even men behave like that. They are stuck on one idea and can't see the other point of view.
And from Sarge reaction he was stuck on his idea also.
Last time I was talking with a woman she did that, and I'm around 98% sure she wasn't attracted to me.

Basic argument which you also do on this forum Sarge. So nothing exceptional in my opinion whether male or female

Lol, fair enough alpha. Someone's gotta play the advocate.

To me, what's weird is that it's a GENETIC thing, meaning it can't possibly NOT be in a family if a member of that family gets it. So it' IRRATIONAL on her part, but she's claiming rationality.

To me, clearly something is off.

Just got back from the gym.

That same girl was at the desk but also a guy was working the desk with her.

When I came in she was facing the guy and the guy was facing me.

The girl turned her head, saw me, and made a sort of "this is awkward" expression. I didn't say hi to her, but I did say hi to the guy who took my keys.

He's like "Hi, how are you?"

I'm like "I'm good, how are you?"

He goes "not bad... keep your keys for you?"

I just stared at him "What? No."

He mumbled something else and I just kinda smirked awkwardly thinking "Wtf is going on with people today?"

As I did my workout a few girls passed me super close, including big-tits (who's back :o )

I also worked out near her for a bit but she left eventually.

Lots of other cute girls working out tonight who I'd never seen before. This location isd great for that.

When I left the gym, the cashier girl was on the treadmill I walked past. I noticed her staring at me as I went past but I never acknowledged her.