Subliminal Talk

Hi All, (ongoing saga of my off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

So Day 3 of the 4th cycle turned out to be relatively uninteresting. Saw a couple last night with my wife. The wife of the couple had been on the affectionate side with me in the past, but this time I didn't notice anything other than normal levels of friendliness, etc. She's in a relationship, obviously, so she would not be susceptible to the sniper. I'm so relaxed socially now that I have a hard time noticing how folks respond to me unless it's way out of the ordinary.

However, after going out for dinner with my wife's mom (with my wife) and visiting with her brother and his wife, we came home, and got to bed late.
For some reason my wife was pretty keyed up by the time we got to bed even though it is quite late. We don't usually do bedtime sex, I discovered years ago that this was a recipe to have zero sex life. So usually I make it an event in the pre-dinner hours or morning. Sometimes midday or early afternoon particularly when we're on vacation. We even do it in the middle of the night if she wakes up and can't get back to sleep after a while. However, last night, she just turned to me and said she was "too keyed up" to sleep. She went down on me and we ended up in a highly intense intimate session. I had even taken a small amount of muscle relaxant and a pill that isn't a sleeping pill but that helps me sleep more deeply. Wow. Sparks flew in a way they haven't at that time of night in years.

I think there's something very effective about the 'sex-intensifier' part of the sub. That part is certainly working for me/us. 

So, thanks again, Shannon for your 'research'!

Speaking of which, is there another, final version of DMSI that's under construction? Is there a particular sort of feedback that would be more helpful?

(02-25-2020, 10:59 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-25-2020, 10:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-24-2020, 12:58 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2020, 09:21 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If you use a program, it's best to use it in whole loops at a time.  Each period of audio is unique, and it only works because the rest of the audio is encountered at the end of the silence.  

Glad you're enjoying it.

That would explain why I often notice I'm feeling different things at different times during a loop. At one moment I feel a surge of energy at another maybe an edginess like almost anxiety, at another part feeling 'warm' down below, at others feeling affectionate, at others supremely confident, at others thinking about women and what I like about them. 

This latter one, now that I think about it, is pretty pronounced for me. I didn't used to dwell on what I think the 'ideal woman' looked like, or "I like her hips, but not her butt, etc." but more of those sorts of thoughts come to me. It's all very clinical in a way. Taking the time to understand what I find attractive. Thankfully, most of it revolves around how my wife looks, or looked when she was at her best at different times during her life. Otherwise it could be rather distracting. 
It's almost like a voice or reflex in my head saying, "stop, you just saw a woman, what did you find attractive about her?"
Does this make sense based on the scripts?

This program is trying to get you to have the freedom and opportunity to have sex with every woman you encounter who you find attractive.  If you are fighting to limit that to just your wife, then it makes sense because the program is conflicting with that in some ways.

It's designed to achieve opportunity and interest, and to naturally and automatically seduce whatever female you encounter who you find sufficiently attractive sexually.  So I suppose in that regard it is attempting to achieve its goals through your focus on your wife.

That makes sense. I kind of thought it was something like that. It shouldn't be too much of a struggle because I really do find my wife very attractive--it's more than just body, though hers is great. It's eyes, style, what you know about them, how they handle themselves sexually, are they obviously submissive, etc.
I assume that the sub takes these things into account as well. e.g. I run into a '10' that is very physically attractive, but she comes across as ignorant or too slutty, etc. so she wouldn't rate that high in my attractiveness quotient. Or perhaps she's gorgeous and nice, but she's engaged to a good friend, so she would be much less interesting because of the external factors.
Am I getting the idea?

The subliminal does not go by looks alone. It takes into account your overall attraction (primarily, but not purely, sexual) to the person. A woman can be a "10" physically, but if she is not capable of giving me a decent conversation, she is not a "10" overall in my book. If she's not trustworthy, she isn't a "10". And so on. All of it impacts how attracted I am to her, and that is going to be true for other people as well, so all of that is considered.

(02-25-2020, 11:11 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All, (ongoing saga of my off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

So Day 3 of the 4th cycle turned out to be relatively uninteresting. Saw a couple last night with my wife. The wife of the couple had been on the affectionate side with me in the past, but this time I didn't notice anything other than normal levels of friendliness, etc. She's in a relationship, obviously, so she would not be susceptible to the sniper. I'm so relaxed socially now that I have a hard time noticing how folks respond to me unless it's way out of the ordinary.

However, after going out for dinner with my wife's mom (with my wife) and visiting with her brother and his wife, we came home, and got to bed late.
For some reason my wife was pretty keyed up by the time we got to bed even though it is quite late. We don't usually do bedtime sex, I discovered years ago that this was a recipe to have zero sex life. So usually I make it an event in the pre-dinner hours or morning. Sometimes midday or early afternoon particularly when we're on vacation. We even do it in the middle of the night if she wakes up and can't get back to sleep after a while. However, last night, she just turned to me and said she was "too keyed up" to sleep. She went down on me and we ended up in a highly intense intimate session. I had even taken a small amount of muscle relaxant and a pill that isn't a sleeping pill but that helps me sleep more deeply. Wow. Sparks flew in a way they haven't at that time of night in years.

I think there's something very effective about the 'sex-intensifier' part of the sub. That part is certainly working for me/us. 

So, thanks again, Shannon for your 'research'!

Thanks for being a part of my research.

Quote:Speaking of which, is there another, final version of DMSI that's under construction? Is there a particular sort of feedback that would be more helpful?

There will be at least one version of DMSI beyond the current one, most likely 2 or more. The feedback I need is where it works, and where it does not work. I get a lot of the latter, so you are helping me with the former. But basically helping me zero in on specific areas that need adjustment.

(02-26-2020, 08:55 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-25-2020, 10:59 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-25-2020, 10:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-24-2020, 12:58 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2020, 09:21 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If you use a program, it's best to use it in whole loops at a time.  Each period of audio is unique, and it only works because the rest of the audio is encountered at the end of the silence.  

Glad you're enjoying it.

That would explain why I often notice I'm feeling different things at different times during a loop. At one moment I feel a surge of energy at another maybe an edginess like almost anxiety, at another part feeling 'warm' down below, at others feeling affectionate, at others supremely confident, at others thinking about women and what I like about them. 

This latter one, now that I think about it, is pretty pronounced for me. I didn't used to dwell on what I think the 'ideal woman' looked like, or "I like her hips, but not her butt, etc." but more of those sorts of thoughts come to me. It's all very clinical in a way. Taking the time to understand what I find attractive. Thankfully, most of it revolves around how my wife looks, or looked when she was at her best at different times during her life. Otherwise it could be rather distracting. 
It's almost like a voice or reflex in my head saying, "stop, you just saw a woman, what did you find attractive about her?"
Does this make sense based on the scripts?

This program is trying to get you to have the freedom and opportunity to have sex with every woman you encounter who you find attractive.  If you are fighting to limit that to just your wife, then it makes sense because the program is conflicting with that in some ways.

It's designed to achieve opportunity and interest, and to naturally and automatically seduce whatever female you encounter who you find sufficiently attractive sexually.  So I suppose in that regard it is attempting to achieve its goals through your focus on your wife.

That makes sense. I kind of thought it was something like that. It shouldn't be too much of a struggle because I really do find my wife very attractive--it's more than just body, though hers is great. It's eyes, style, what you know about them, how they handle themselves sexually, are they obviously submissive, etc.
I assume that the sub takes these things into account as well. e.g. I run into a '10' that is very physically attractive, but she comes across as ignorant or too slutty, etc. so she wouldn't rate that high in my attractiveness quotient. Or perhaps she's gorgeous and nice, but she's engaged to a good friend, so she would be much less interesting because of the external factors.
Am I getting the idea?

The subliminal does not go by looks alone.  It takes into account your overall attraction (primarily, but not purely, sexual) to the person.  A woman can be a "10" physically, but if she is not capable of giving me a decent conversation, she is not a "10" overall in my book.  If she's not trustworthy, she isn't a "10".  And so on.  All of it impacts how attracted I am to her, and that is going to be true for other people as well, so all of that is considered.

Thank you SO much on this, Shannon. It is VERY helpful. It explains a lot. I run into many women that I think are pretty for one reason or another, but are simply not as beautiful as my wife overall. She's a remarkable woman. Lovely smile, hourglass figure, wonderful personality, green eyes. Vivacious is the word I used to use when she was younger. Still applies at times. Also, I like a sexually submissive girl so I imagine that would be sensed and come into play. In other words, the fact that I'm picky is respected by the sub, which is good and I don't know why it would be that dangerous for committed married couples that really like each other and find one another very attractive. I suppose that not that many marriages are like that, though.

I do LOVE how much it increased our attraction to one another--especially during our vacation. Also, when a woman is very attracted to you (as my wife has been since beginning this sub) she forgives and apologizes far quicker than she used to when there is friction. I like this effect.

(02-25-2020, 11:11 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All, (ongoing saga of my off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

So Day 3 of the 4th cycle turned out to be relatively uninteresting. Saw a couple last night with my wife. The wife of the couple had been on the affectionate side with me in the past, but this time I didn't notice anything other than normal levels of friendliness, etc. She's in a relationship, obviously, so she would not be susceptible to the sniper. I'm so relaxed socially now that I have a hard time noticing how folks respond to me unless it's way out of the ordinary.

However, after going out for dinner with my wife's mom (with my wife) and visiting with her brother and his wife, we came home, and got to bed late.
For some reason my wife was pretty keyed up by the time we got to bed even though it is quite late. We don't usually do bedtime sex, I discovered years ago that this was a recipe to have zero sex life. So usually I make it an event in the pre-dinner hours or morning. Sometimes midday or early afternoon particularly when we're on vacation. We even do it in the middle of the night if she wakes up and can't get back to sleep after a while. However, last night, she just turned to me and said she was "too keyed up" to sleep. She went down on me and we ended up in a highly intense intimate session. I had even taken a small amount of muscle relaxant and a pill that isn't a sleeping pill but that helps me sleep more deeply. Wow. Sparks flew in a way they haven't at that time of night in years.

I think there's something very effective about the 'sex-intensifier' part of the sub. That part is certainly working for me/us. 

So, thanks again, Shannon for your 'research'!

Thanks for being a part of my research.

Quote:Speaking of which, is there another, final version of DMSI that's under construction? Is there a particular sort of feedback that would be more helpful?

There will be at least one version of DMSI beyond the current one, most likely 2 or more.  The feedback I need is where it works, and where it does not work.  I get a lot of the latter, so you are helping me with the former.  But basically helping me zero in on specific areas that need adjustment.

I will be interested in seeing the difference in effects between this sub and future versions. I suppose that those of us who have 3.3.2 will be advised and allowed to test the future versions without further charge--seems I read that somewhere.

Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day 5 of the 4th cycle
Not much to comment on today. I feel it is, in some way, supporting my hormonal issues. I skipped a shot on Monday and I've performed just fine up to today when I got my next shot. So that's a good sign. Wife gets testy sometimes (energy overflow maybe) but it's not the same as it used to be. I know her testiness usually has to do with sexual need or sexual insecurity. She comes out of it very quickly now and that is good. I see this as an effect of the sub.

Day 6 of the 4th cycle
Went to the gym today. Lately not many attractive women (to me) at the gym, but today there was one or two. I'm not looking for sex, honestly, but it is fun to chat up cuties and see them smiling at you and trying to catch your eye. This latter happened with a good-looking young lady today. She spoke very briefly to me twice, unnecessarily, she kind of just bubbled over. When I looked at her, she was all smiles, eyes sparkling, had that 'awkward', shy look. So it seems that the sniper worked to that degree. However, I must say, that occasionally in the past, cute young ladies would chat me up. However, the facial expressions and positive nervousness (not awkward in a 'how do I get away' sense) and the slight sense of an energy between us was new and fun.

 I say this latter because I'm of the opinion that men, as women ought to keep their attractiveness up. Even long-time married couples need to work at being attractive (not just looks) to the opposite sex in general and one's spouse in particular.  IMO if you stop trying to attract one another--it's the beginning of the end. (I say this after being married and faithful to my wife for well over 3 decades.) This is my philosophical reason for being so interested in this sub. So many of the men I work with struggle to be attractive to their woman and are in danger of losing her (especially my clients that have much younger wives). So my interest in seeing a tool like this that has potential for helping these guys shortcut to attractiveness (shortcut= getting past their internal resistance and fear without me cajoling, counseling and so on.)

Keep up the good work!

btw: Shannon or Ben-- I'm thinking about switching my wife off of this sub onto your weightloss/fitness one. She is almost perfect, but she is struggling with the last 5-10 pounds and is frustrated by this. It's more of an issue for her than for me, but I would like to help. Do you have good results with the weight loss sub when the gal is only a few pounds over?

(02-27-2020, 09:09 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]I will be interested in seeing the difference in effects between this sub and future versions. I suppose that those of us who have 3.3.2 will be advised and allowed to test the future versions without further charge--seems I read that somewhere.

Yup, for this one, updates are free until and as such (i. e. the program works to spec for a vast majority of users, if possible).

(02-27-2020, 09:28 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day 5 of the 4th cycle
Not much to comment on today. I feel it is, in some way, supporting my hormonal issues. I skipped a shot on Monday and I've performed just fine up to today when I got my next shot. So that's a good sign. Wife gets testy sometimes (energy overflow maybe) but it's not the same as it used to be. I know her testiness usually has to do with sexual need or sexual insecurity. She comes out of it very quickly now and that is good. I see this as an effect of the sub.

Day 6 of the 4th cycle
Went to the gym today. Lately not many attractive women (to me) at the gym, but today there was one or two. I'm not looking for sex, honestly, but it is fun to chat up cuties and see them smiling at you and trying to catch your eye. This latter happened with a good-looking young lady today. She spoke very briefly to me twice, unnecessarily, she kind of just bubbled over. When I looked at her, she was all smiles, eyes sparkling, had that 'awkward', shy look. So it seems that the sniper worked to that degree. However, I must say, that occasionally in the past, cute young ladies would chat me up. However, the facial expressions and positive nervousness (not awkward in a 'how do I get away' sense) and the slight sense of an energy between us was new and fun.

 I say this latter because I'm of the opinion that men, as women ought to keep their attractiveness up. Even long-time married couples need to work at being attractive (not just looks) to the opposite sex in general and one's spouse in particular.  IMO if you stop trying to attract one another--it's the beginning of the end. (I say this after being married and faithful to my wife for well over 3 decades.) This is my philosophical reason for being so interested in this sub. So many of the men I work with struggle to be attractive to their woman and are in danger of losing her (especially my clients that have much younger wives). So my interest in seeing a tool like this that has potential for helping these guys shortcut to attractiveness (shortcut= getting past their internal resistance and fear without me cajoling, counseling and so on.)

Keep up the good work!

btw: Shannon or Ben-- I'm thinking about switching my wife off of this sub onto your weightloss/fitness one. She is almost perfect, but she is struggling with the last 5-10 pounds and is frustrated by this. It's more of an issue for her than for me, but I would like to help. Do you have good results with the weight loss sub when the gal is only a few pounds over?

Two points.

1. DMSI regulates and optimizes your body chemistry to achieve its goals.  That means your hormones are affected also.  I'm going to be doing a series of hormone optimizers in the not too distant future based on this, but aimed at various different goals.
2. I'm working on, and about to release, an Appetite Suppressant that is designed to cause your appetite to be adjusted such that you naturally achieve your ideal weight as a result.  I doubt this approach alone will work for all of the reasons why we need to lose weight, but for someone like your wife who only needs to lose a little weight it should work beautifully.  The ideal weight is calculated by the person's own subconscious mind according to an algorithm I figured out that works for identifying the ideal weight based on interviews of many people I did who were trying to lose weight.  This algorithm is secret, but it works very well for people 18 and older who are not atheletes or body builders.  Might want to try that instead of the weight loss sub.

The weight loss sub is designed to use the same ideal weight calculation algorithm and works for any amount of weight loss needed, but it seeks to be an all in one solution.  It is known to work well for most people's needs, but some causes of obesity still resist it, and in the end if we count obese customers, it has about a 50% success rate.  If we don't count obese customers, success rate is somewhere over 85%.  So either option should work, but WL6 is much older tech.  WL6 is also not intended for use by atheletes or weight lifers, or people under 18.

(02-29-2020, 09:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2020, 09:28 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day 5 of the 4th cycle
Not much to comment on today. I feel it is, in some way, supporting my hormonal issues. I skipped a shot on Monday and I've performed just fine up to today when I got my next shot. So that's a good sign. Wife gets testy sometimes (energy overflow maybe) but it's not the same as it used to be. I know her testiness usually has to do with sexual need or sexual insecurity. She comes out of it very quickly now and that is good. I see this as an effect of the sub.

Day 6 of the 4th cycle
Went to the gym today. Lately not many attractive women (to me) at the gym, but today there was one or two. I'm not looking for sex, honestly, but it is fun to chat up cuties and see them smiling at you and trying to catch your eye. This latter happened with a good-looking young lady today. She spoke very briefly to me twice, unnecessarily, she kind of just bubbled over. When I looked at her, she was all smiles, eyes sparkling, had that 'awkward', shy look. So it seems that the sniper worked to that degree. However, I must say, that occasionally in the past, cute young ladies would chat me up. However, the facial expressions and positive nervousness (not awkward in a 'how do I get away' sense) and the slight sense of an energy between us was new and fun.

 I say this latter because I'm of the opinion that men, as women ought to keep their attractiveness up. Even long-time married couples need to work at being attractive (not just looks) to the opposite sex in general and one's spouse in particular.  IMO if you stop trying to attract one another--it's the beginning of the end. (I say this after being married and faithful to my wife for well over 3 decades.) This is my philosophical reason for being so interested in this sub. So many of the men I work with struggle to be attractive to their woman and are in danger of losing her (especially my clients that have much younger wives). So my interest in seeing a tool like this that has potential for helping these guys shortcut to attractiveness (shortcut= getting past their internal resistance and fear without me cajoling, counseling and so on.)

Keep up the good work!

btw: Shannon or Ben-- I'm thinking about switching my wife off of this sub onto your weightloss/fitness one. She is almost perfect, but she is struggling with the last 5-10 pounds and is frustrated by this. It's more of an issue for her than for me, but I would like to help. Do you have good results with the weight loss sub when the gal is only a few pounds over?

Two points.

1. DMSI regulates and optimizes your body chemistry to achieve its goals.  That means your hormones are affected also.  I'm going to be doing a series of hormone optimizers in the not too distant future based on this, but aimed at various different goals.
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2. I'm working on, and about to release, an Appetite Suppressant that is designed to cause your appetite to be adjusted such that you naturally achieve your ideal weight as a result.  I doubt this approach alone will work for all of the reasons why we need to lose weight, but for someone like your wife who only needs to lose a little weight it should work beautifully.  The ideal weight is calculated by the person's own subconscious mind according to an algorithm I figured out that works for identifying the ideal weight based on interviews of many people I did who were trying to lose weight.  This algorithm is secret, but it works very well for people 18 and older who are not atheletes or body builders.  Might want to try that instead of the weight loss sub.

The weight loss sub is designed to use the same ideal weight calculation algorithm and works for any amount of weight loss needed, but it seeks to be an all in one solution.  It is known to work well for most people's needs, but some causes of obesity still resist it, and in the end if we count obese customers, it has about a 50% success rate.  If we don't count obese customers, success rate is somewhere over 85%.  So either option should work, but WL6 is much older tech.  WL6 is also not intended for use by atheletes or weight lifers, or people under 18.

Thanks for the response, Shannon.
She is nowhere near obese, but once was about 35lbs overweight. She just never was able to stay at her ideal weight. I'll outline her 'issues' to see if they line up with what you're planning for the newer version of WL:

1) She tends to munch-- not as much out of hunger but because she's in the kitchen a lot and there are so many things there that appeal to her. Will power wears down and she grabs a handful of nuts, for example. Also, along those lines, she was not taught to not eat while cooking, or rather perhaps eating while cooking was modeled for her. In my case, at home I was taught to not sample the goods while cooking (unless tasting for spice balance) and in professional kitchens it was forbidden. If she could have the latter habits instilled rather than the former, that would be huge for her.

2) She may eat slightly more than she needs at meals, just to not throw something away that she likes. e.g. I may not eat all of my portion of the nice fresh fruit salad because she happened to make a little too much and I know my limits and just naturally stop. She adds a few unnecessary calories this way, too. The fruit salad example applies to other portions that are served.

3) Due to our schedule, she will sometimes feel like she needs to 'stock up' because the next time we eat may be a long time from now. This is much less prevalent than it used to be.

This information comes from both my observations of her and her 'confessions' to me when she just wants some 'help'. Obviously, it's not in a husband's best interest to get too involved, but she is interested in what your sub might do.

I read some of the logs on the weight loss sub, but these were unsatisfying and it makes sense that the subs were only 50% - 85% effective long term based on what I read.

When do you think you'll have the new WL sub ready? I'm already thinking of putting her on it while I stay on DMSI 3.3.2. But would certainly want to do it sometime during the next month, but that's not firm, it's just what we had discussed. I think I want to do one more cycle of DMSI 3.3.2 with her, so that gives me a couple more weeks before I'd need to make a decision.

(02-29-2020, 11:55 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the response, Shannon.
She is nowhere near obese, but once was about 35lbs overweight. She just never was able to stay at her ideal weight. I'll outline her 'issues' to see if they line up with what you're planning for the newer version of WL:

1) She tends to munch-- not as much out of hunger but because she's in the kitchen a lot and there are so many things there that appeal to her. Will power wears down and she grabs a handful of nuts, for example. Also, along those lines, she was not taught to not eat while cooking, or rather perhaps eating while cooking was modeled for her. In my case, at home I was taught to not sample the goods while cooking (unless tasting for spice balance) and in professional kitchens it was forbidden. If she could have the latter habits instilled rather than the former, that would be huge for her.

2) She may eat slightly more than she needs at meals, just to not throw something away that she likes. e.g. I may not eat all of my portion of the nice fresh fruit salad because she happened to make a little too much and I know my limits and just naturally stop. She adds a few unnecessary calories this way, too. The fruit salad example applies to other portions that are served.

3) Due to our schedule, she will sometimes feel like she needs to 'stock up' because the next time we eat may be a long time from now. This is much less prevalent than it used to be.

This information comes from both my observations of her and her 'confessions' to me when she just wants some 'help'. Obviously, it's not in a husband's best interest to get too involved, but she is interested in what your sub might do.

I read some of the logs on the weight loss sub, but these were unsatisfying and it makes sense that the subs were only 50% - 85% effective long term based on what I read.

When do you think you'll have the new WL sub ready? I'm already thinking of putting her on it while I stay on DMSI 3.3.2. But would certainly want to do it sometime during the next month, but that's not firm, it's just what we had discussed. I think I want to do one more cycle of DMSI 3.3.2 with her, so that gives me a couple more weeks before I'd need to make a decision.

I have to clarify some things.

First, not saying or implying that she's obese.  Just providing all the data.  It was designed to work for everyone, and some obese people have personalities and reasons for being overweight that resist the methods used in WL6.  Roughly 50% of obese people who have reported from using it seem to resist.  By contrast, I would estimate that at least 85% of people who are not obese get very good results from WL6, and see a significant weight loss.

Second, that doesn't make it 50-85% effective long term.  The 50% is roughly how effective it is at overcoming the resistance (subconscious fears) of obese people who use it.  The 85% figure is an approximate minimum for how effective it is at overcoming the resistance (subconscious fears) of people who use it who are not obese.  It affects 100% of users, but it does not overcome resistance as well as it needs to, which is what I have been focused on developing ever since; thus, FRM.

As to which would be better for your wife in the circumstances you give, the program I am about to release is Appetite Suppressant 5.75G.  AS works by adjusting the appetite to remove the eating that you do above what you need to do to be at your ideal weight.  It is entirely possible that she eats in those circumstances out of subconscious anxiety or fear that she doesn't consciously know she is experiencing.  If her eating is based on hunger, this will work.  If it is simply pure habit, it may or may not.  It is too soon for me to know the answer to that scenario yet.

If it does affect her, it will work with more certainty than WL6 because it uses a much more advanced and powerful skeleton script.  However, WL6 has a much broader target, and as long as she doesn't resist it, it will definitely work.  Based on your past results with her, we know she responds to subliminals, and we know she isn't obese, so I would conclude that either one should work.

Hi All, (ongoing log of DMSI 3.3.2 off-label experiment)

Day 7 of cycle 4:
Wife came home from work feeling pretty good, rather than overly tired. Which was good. She was only there for a while but that contributed. However, she shared over dinner that a young guy (30ish) client had complimented her saying she 'looked real nice'. He is a 'creative' and dresses and grooms himself in an androgynous manner often. But the compliment was definitely of a man to a woman. She shared it with me but said it was nothing, but she kind of 'glowed' while she related it. I know it really amped her up a bit. It was fun to tease her about it and she enjoyed it.

Also, it was 'date night' (intimate encounter night) where I plan a little special romantic encounter (to avoid TMI, some of these can be rather 'colorful' and interesting). She submitted enthusiastically and readily without any hesitation--just completely game. Perhaps this is because of my increased confidence (I believe this is the sub effects) and aura, as well as her reduced fear and heightened sexuality (also due to the sub). We usually loosen up with a couple of drinks before engaging in our play, but she just naturally settled in after about 50% less alcohol than usual. Again, likely the sub effects from just having a heightened sexuality. Again, the sex was especially intense and pleasurable. Thumbs up!

Day 8, Cycle 4:
Today's a Saturday. Not much happens on Saturdays and because we'll be baby-sitting grandkids there won't be as much time for the sub listening. I may do an extra loop on Sunday morning before beginning ASRB2 depending.
Our schedule for the weekend and upcoming week is very intense, so I may not report much because I doubt we'll see many manifestations. However, I'm open to seeing if anything takes place during what folks on the forums call 'bloom'.

Due to the wife's increased relaxation and trust in the subs, I may try out the X32 after all. She's gotten used to the little pops and crackles in the background and doesn't react to them anymore. She also has either not minded or really liked the effects. So listening to a brief disclaimer may not throw the mood as much, as I'm sure it would have before. It might be fun to play with sometime in the future. Still deciding though.

(02-29-2020, 12:12 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2020, 11:55 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the response, Shannon.
She is nowhere near obese, but once was about 35lbs overweight. She just never was able to stay at her ideal weight. I'll outline her 'issues' to see if they line up with what you're planning for the newer version of WL:

1) She tends to munch-- not as much out of hunger but because she's in the kitchen a lot and there are so many things there that appeal to her. Will power wears down and she grabs a handful of nuts, for example. Also, along those lines, she was not taught to not eat while cooking, or rather perhaps eating while cooking was modeled for her. In my case, at home I was taught to not sample the goods while cooking (unless tasting for spice balance) and in professional kitchens it was forbidden. If she could have the latter habits instilled rather than the former, that would be huge for her.

2) She may eat slightly more than she needs at meals, just to not throw something away that she likes. e.g. I may not eat all of my portion of the nice fresh fruit salad because she happened to make a little too much and I know my limits and just naturally stop. She adds a few unnecessary calories this way, too. The fruit salad example applies to other portions that are served.

3) Due to our schedule, she will sometimes feel like she needs to 'stock up' because the next time we eat may be a long time from now. This is much less prevalent than it used to be.

This information comes from both my observations of her and her 'confessions' to me when she just wants some 'help'. Obviously, it's not in a husband's best interest to get too involved, but she is interested in what your sub might do.

I read some of the logs on the weight loss sub, but these were unsatisfying and it makes sense that the subs were only 50% - 85% effective long term based on what I read.

When do you think you'll have the new WL sub ready? I'm already thinking of putting her on it while I stay on DMSI 3.3.2. But would certainly want to do it sometime during the next month, but that's not firm, it's just what we had discussed. I think I want to do one more cycle of DMSI 3.3.2 with her, so that gives me a couple more weeks before I'd need to make a decision.

I have to clarify some things.

First, not saying or implying that she's obese.  Just providing all the data.  It was designed to work for everyone, and some obese people have personalities and reasons for being overweight that resist the methods used in WL6.  Roughly 50% of obese people who have reported from using it seem to resist.  By contrast, I would estimate that at least 85% of people who are not obese get very good results from WL6, and see a significant weight loss.

Second, that doesn't make it 50-85% effective long term.  The 50% is roughly how effective it is at overcoming the resistance (subconscious fears) of obese people who use it.  The 85% figure is an approximate minimum for how effective it is at overcoming the resistance (subconscious fears) of people who use it who are not obese.  It affects 100% of users, but it does not overcome resistance as well as it needs to, which is what I have been focused on developing ever since; thus, FRM.

As to which would be better for your wife in the circumstances you give, the program I am about to release is Appetite Suppressant 5.75G.  AS works by adjusting the appetite to remove the eating that you do above what you need to do to be at your ideal weight.  It is entirely possible that she eats in those circumstances out of subconscious anxiety or fear that she doesn't consciously know she is experiencing.  If her eating is based on hunger, this will work.  If it is simply pure habit, it may or may not.  It is too soon for me to know the answer to that scenario yet.

If it does affect her, it will work with more certainty than WL6 because it uses a much more advanced and powerful skeleton script.  However, WL6 has a much broader target, and as long as she doesn't resist it, it will definitely work.  Based on your past results with her, we know she responds to subliminals, and we know she isn't obese, so I would conclude that either one should work.

Thanks for the greater detail. That is very helpful. I will explore with her the next time it comes up if she thinks that some of the eating is appetite or more anxiety/nervous habit.
You have certainly developed some interesting stuff and I'm fascinated by the technology you seem to have going on underneath. I look forward to trying one of the above with her when the time is right.

Hi All, (ongoing off-label log of DMSI 3.3.2 experiences)

Day 1 ASRB2, cycle 4:
So I was wrong about whether Sunday would be eventful.
We hung out at a winery for a while when we had some downtime. We (my wife and I) grabbed some wine and some snacks. The only spot we found to sit was basically a couple of chairs with a little coffee table in a wide hallway. Lots of folks walked by. The women almost all looked me in the eye and smiled as they walked by. Many said a quite 'hi'. The woman in front of me in line kept trying to get my attention, smiling and trying to catch my eye. So, at least in that situation things were starting to be more interesting.
Now, in the same situation with my wife, who would have usually just buried her head in her phone, kept trying to make sure I wasn't 'bored' by being there with her. I was pretty tired and she must have interpreted that as being 'bored'. She flirted with me like crazy. When we were walking out to our car I had my arm around her waist, but she was trying to stick her hand in my pants to get at my cock. Giggling, and not caring whether someone might come out one of the doors of the winery, right out on the street. I was surprised and delighted-- this is VERY out of character for her. Throughout the time we were there and later in the car, she made flirty, sexual remarks. When I said something innocent that she could turn into sexual innuendo, she did, smiling and proud of herself--challenging me sexually. It was awesome. Usually, it is me, doing the (more subtle) grabbing and suggestive banter. She was wild and fun. I always knew she had this in her, but she just would not bring it out, and if she did, it would be a brief touch, etc. ("see I can be playful") like just to demonstrate she could do it. Yesterday, she was fully into it, like we were alone on a sexy romantic vacation in our little cottage. But here we were walking down a street with lots of parked cars and she's handsy and playful and naughty. VERY cool.

I believe that the above is due to the effects of the sub. Some due to the effects it's had on my aura and attractiveness and some due to her feeling more highly sexual and free as a result of her exposure to the sub. She certainly brought the energy yesterday, wow! I was thinking I wouldn't have the energy to 'play' when we got home after 7pm after having been gone since 6:30am. But, on the way home, she kept grabbing my crotch, but the kind of car and seatbelts kept her from getting a good grip on my cock. Instead, she grabbed my hand and started sucking on my finger. It was passionate, playful and sexy. AND it was way beyond any flirtation she has EVER done.
The rest of the evening was great fun!
Thanks, Shannon, it's a powerful but subtle sub.
Also, Ben, you were the one suggested I take a look at this sub-- thanks for the idea. It's worked out great!

I have been telling everyone that the only thing left to do with this sub is overcoming fear. Some of the guys using it and getting little to no results don't believe that. You are showing that I am right: in your case, there's no fear to get in the way of these things because it's your long time wife. Glad to have your experiences to compare to.

Cool, glad it's going well for you.

(03-02-2020, 11:06 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I have been telling everyone that the only thing left to do with this sub is overcoming fear.  Some of the guys using it and getting little to no results don't believe that.  You are showing that I am right: in your case, there's no fear to get in the way of these things because it's your long time wife.  Glad to have your experiences to compare to.

I would agree... the absence/reduction of 'fear' was one of the first things I noticed. Though I'm not sure I would use the word 'fear'-- it seems to have removed inhibitions and 'naturalized' new behaviors so that they felt more 'normal' and fun to be or my wife. Increased 'confidence' might also be a way of putting it. Reduction in 'anxiety' was also an effect. e.g. There are times when I would feel a little (unnecessary) anxiety when going into a romantic encounter (w/ my wife) that wasted energy and positive thought power. This has been minimized or eliminated since using the sub.

Which aspect of 'fear' are you targeting then? Outright 'fear' as in fear of rejection, etc. Anxiety (free-floating nervousness that really has no basis in reality and can be self-cycling), lack of confidence, or inhibitions about doing things you want to do, but maybe haven't done before or 'filters' that filter out impulses that are legit and fun...?