Subliminal Talk

(04-30-2020, 09:20 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2020, 02:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2020, 09:40 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2020, 10:09 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-23-2020, 09:58 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Any preview notes about what changes or additions you are thinking about adding?
Color me intrigued...

Haven't really been thinking about DMSI when I was working so hard on MIRv3.  But DMSI is going to have FRM 4.9, which should make a significant difference, as well as the improvements to the skeleton script that have taken place since it was released (one of which is being introduced in MIR v3), and it will also have adjustments to what its goals are based on how people reacted.  I may also be adjusting the power level, among other things.  Really hard to say when I'm not focused on it yet.

Some of the additions to the FRM 4.9 should prove to be quite interesting for this program, I must say.

Hey Shannon-- I was curious what you've been working on and I can't tell what MIRv3 is. I searched the store but didn't see anything. What is MIR?

Maximum Immune Response.  We took down v2.1.  V3 will be out shortly.  It is the original subliminal for boosting your immune system, and by far the best and most powerful of them all for this purpose.  This version is designed to be useful for helping you combat any type of infection, obvious, latent or chronic, and any kind of infection, viral, bacterial, yeast, fungal and parasitic.  V2.1 was very good for fighting colds, flus, sore throats and other minor infections.  I have tried to make this one useful for all the rest too.  Of course you should always rely on a doctor first for life threatening infections.  But MIR stacks with antibiotics, unless the antibiotics are actively damaging your immune system.  

This is one program I have been unwilling to be without since 2.1 came out years back. I am convinced that v2.1 saved my life at least 3 times.  I've been using v3 for 2 days now, and I don't have any obvious infection, but unlike v2.1, v3 has detected my latent infection and is actively trying to kill it.  Either that, or I am tired for no reason...

Quote:Also, I noticed Sexual Drive Maximizer listed on the home page as a 'latest' sub. Has this recently been updated/created? Is it the one you were talking about that would be intended to heighten sexual excitement/responsiveness for couples that we talked about?

Thanks!

SDM has been out for weeks.  And yes, this is the program designed to trigger maximum sex drive, and it has been designed for couples as well as single users.  The product description will tell you the specifics.

Shannon:
Regarding Sexual Drive Maximizer....
It sounds similar to X124 and X32 as well as PSE... I already purchased X124 and found it moderately effective for speeding up the approach to sex and intensifying the experience, but after a loop or so stops having effects. PSE is a great long-term warm up for listening over a period of time and in my experience simply makes for a romantic environment and smooths over any minor friction opening the path toward intimacy.
In X32 (if I am remembering correctly) it was SO effective at making whoever hears it want to have sex with you that it includes a verbal disclaimer.
How does SDM compare to X32? They seem to have similar or the same goals (put in different words) but SDM seems to have 'guard rails'. 
Am I understanding things? I think I might be interested in a new addition to my sub protocol, so wondering which is more effective, more appropriate, etc.
Also, can SDM be used with DMSI in an episodic manner?

First, SDM is not an aphrodisiac, as are all the ones you mention.  Its goal is simply to increase your sex drive, which is the parent of sexual motivation and arousal.  An aphrodisiac goes in and tries to directly trigger arousal.  SDM does what results in your body returning to it's maximum state of sex drive.  You don't need any aphrodisiac when you're in that state.  It's like when I was 18 I was constantly having to hide spontaneous erections in High School because they would be so obvious.  I didn't ask for them, didn't want them - they were just there.  My sex drive was at its peak, and it made me need sex to such a degree that it was torture.  

Porn is an aphrodisiac of sorts.  I didn't need porn.  I didn't need to see anything in particular that was stimulating.  I was simply in a state of readiness and urgency for sexual activity all the time.  

Now, in my 40's I have a higher sex drive than most of the people out there at my age, but it's not what it used to be.  Using an aphrodisiac will turn me on, but using SDM means I return to that state where I don't need any aphrodisiac to turn me on.  Does that make sense?

SDM can be used in the moment with DMSI, but I strongly recommend that you know how SDM and DMSI each affect you individually inside and out before you try something like that.  It is also possible that they may enhance each other's effects, or conflict.  They have very different goals, and while they may trigger some of the same responses, they do so in very different ways and for very different reasons.  If you get SDM, I suggest using it for a few months alone before you try using it with anything else.  In fact I suspect you may not want to use it in combination, after a few months exposing yourself and your wife to it.

To more specifically answer your query about X32 vs SDM... SDM vastly outstrips X32 for how powerful and effective it is, and it is designed to achieve a longer term more steady "ambient" level of sexual readiness, interest and desire.  X32 is designed for shorter term use, and is very old technology at this point in comparison.

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Quote:Shannon:
Regarding Sexual Drive Maximizer....
It sounds similar to X124 and X32 as well as PSE... I already purchased X124 and found it moderately effective for speeding up the approach to sex and intensifying the experience, but after a loop or so stops having effects. PSE is a great long-term warm up for listening over a period of time and in my experience simply makes for a romantic environment and smooths over any minor friction opening the path toward intimacy.
In X32 (if I am remembering correctly) it was SO effective at making whoever hears it want to have sex with you that it includes a verbal disclaimer.
How does SDM compare to X32? They seem to have similar or the same goals (put in different words) but SDM seems to have 'guard rails'. 
Am I understanding things? I think I might be interested in a new addition to my sub protocol, so wondering which is more effective, more appropriate, etc.
Also, can SDM be used with DMSI in an episodic manner?

First, SDM is not an aphrodisiac, as are all the ones you mention.  Its goal is simply to increase your sex drive, which is the parent of sexual motivation and arousal.  An aphrodisiac goes in and tries to directly trigger arousal.  SDM does what results in your body returning to it's maximum state of sex drive.  You don't need any aphrodisiac when you're in that state.  It's like when I was 18 I was constantly having to hide spontaneous erections in High School because they would be so obvious.  I didn't ask for them, didn't want them - they were just there.  My sex drive was at its peak, and it made me need sex to such a degree that it was torture.  

Porn is an aphrodisiac of sorts.  I didn't need porn.  I didn't need to see anything in particular that was stimulating.  I was simply in a state of readiness and urgency for sexual activity all the time.  

Now, in my 40's I have a higher sex drive than most of the people out there at my age, but it's not what it used to be.  Using an aphrodisiac will turn me on, but using SDM means I return to that state where I don't need any aphrodisiac to turn me on.  Does that make sense?

SDM can be used in the moment with DMSI, but I strongly recommend that you know how SDM and DMSI each affect you individually inside and out before you try something like that.  It is also possible that they may enhance each other's effects, or conflict.  They have very different goals, and while they may trigger some of the same responses, they do so in very different ways and for very different reasons.  If you get SDM, I suggest using it for a few months alone before you try using it with anything else.  In fact I suspect you may not want to use it in combination, after a few months exposing yourself and your wife to it.

To more specifically answer your query about X32 vs SDM... SDM vastly outstrips X32 for how powerful and effective it is, and it is designed to achieve a longer term more steady "ambient" level of sexual readiness, interest and desire.  X32 is designed for shorter term use, and is very old technology at this point in comparison.

Thanks for the cogent response! That's quite helpful. 
Now a couple more questions about SDM. One of the reasons I started using DMSI 3.3.2 is that I expected it to and it DOES heighten sexual drive and urgency for my wife and I.
Sounds like SDM would be more 'to the point', though. 
When I read the description (a couple times) I noted that SDM has not been tested on 60-year-olds. I am 64 at this writing and wonder if it might be more useful overall at this point than continuing DMSI 3.3.2. I continue to see good effects from DMSI and am happy with it, but the idea of simply having that natural state where you pop erections all the time (even if it was half that effective) would be great. Do you expect that SDM would work for someone my age, even though, as you point out it has not been tested in our age range?

Also, little is said about the female experience as I remember, but it should be able to cut both ways. Would it work on a 60 something woman with an already fairly healthy sex drive to want it more frequently and perhaps initiate more often?

If I were to use this more than episodically, how long would you advise waiting after finishing a DMSI cycle before trying it?

Thanks!

(05-01-2020, 12:43 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:

Quote:Shannon:
Regarding Sexual Drive Maximizer....
It sounds similar to X124 and X32 as well as PSE... I already purchased X124 and found it moderately effective for speeding up the approach to sex and intensifying the experience, but after a loop or so stops having effects. PSE is a great long-term warm up for listening over a period of time and in my experience simply makes for a romantic environment and smooths over any minor friction opening the path toward intimacy.
In X32 (if I am remembering correctly) it was SO effective at making whoever hears it want to have sex with you that it includes a verbal disclaimer.
How does SDM compare to X32? They seem to have similar or the same goals (put in different words) but SDM seems to have 'guard rails'. 
Am I understanding things? I think I might be interested in a new addition to my sub protocol, so wondering which is more effective, more appropriate, etc.
Also, can SDM be used with DMSI in an episodic manner?

First, SDM is not an aphrodisiac, as are all the ones you mention.  Its goal is simply to increase your sex drive, which is the parent of sexual motivation and arousal.  An aphrodisiac goes in and tries to directly trigger arousal.  SDM does what results in your body returning to it's maximum state of sex drive.  You don't need any aphrodisiac when you're in that state.  It's like when I was 18 I was constantly having to hide spontaneous erections in High School because they would be so obvious.  I didn't ask for them, didn't want them - they were just there.  My sex drive was at its peak, and it made me need sex to such a degree that it was torture.  

Porn is an aphrodisiac of sorts.  I didn't need porn.  I didn't need to see anything in particular that was stimulating.  I was simply in a state of readiness and urgency for sexual activity all the time.  

Now, in my 40's I have a higher sex drive than most of the people out there at my age, but it's not what it used to be.  Using an aphrodisiac will turn me on, but using SDM means I return to that state where I don't need any aphrodisiac to turn me on.  Does that make sense?

SDM can be used in the moment with DMSI, but I strongly recommend that you know how SDM and DMSI each affect you individually inside and out before you try something like that.  It is also possible that they may enhance each other's effects, or conflict.  They have very different goals, and while they may trigger some of the same responses, they do so in very different ways and for very different reasons.  If you get SDM, I suggest using it for a few months alone before you try using it with anything else.  In fact I suspect you may not want to use it in combination, after a few months exposing yourself and your wife to it.

To more specifically answer your query about X32 vs SDM... SDM vastly outstrips X32 for how powerful and effective it is, and it is designed to achieve a longer term more steady "ambient" level of sexual readiness, interest and desire.  X32 is designed for shorter term use, and is very old technology at this point in comparison.

Thanks for the cogent response! That's quite helpful. 
Now a couple more questions about SDM. One of the reasons I started using DMSI 3.3.2 is that I expected it to and it DOES heighten sexual drive and urgency for my wife and I.
Sounds like SDM would be more 'to the point', though. 
When I read the description (a couple times) I noted that SDM has not been tested on 60-year-olds. I am 64 at this writing and wonder if it might be more useful overall at this point than continuing DMSI 3.3.2. I continue to see good effects from DMSI and am happy with it, but the idea of simply having that natural state where you pop erections all the time (even if it was half that effective) would be great. Do you expect that SDM would work for someone my age, even though, as you point out it has not been tested in our age range?

Yes.  The design of the program and what it does/how it works is intended to be useful regardless of your age, as long as you are healthy enough to have sex in the first place.

Quote:Also, little is said about the female experience as I remember, but it should be able to cut both ways. Would it work on a 60 something woman with an already fairly healthy sex drive to want it more frequently and perhaps initiate more often?

It is designed to be equally useful and effective for the ladies as it is for the gents.

Quote:If I were to use this more than episodically, how long would you advise waiting after finishing a DMSI cycle before trying it?

Thanks!

You can start using it immediately if you like.  However, to better see what it is doing, you'll want to give yourself 2-4 weeks off DMSI first.

(05-01-2020, 01:48 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2020, 12:43 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:

Quote:Shannon:
Regarding Sexual Drive Maximizer....
It sounds similar to X124 and X32 as well as PSE... I already purchased X124 and found it moderately effective for speeding up the approach to sex and intensifying the experience, but after a loop or so stops having effects. PSE is a great long-term warm up for listening over a period of time and in my experience simply makes for a romantic environment and smooths over any minor friction opening the path toward intimacy.
In X32 (if I am remembering correctly) it was SO effective at making whoever hears it want to have sex with you that it includes a verbal disclaimer.
How does SDM compare to X32? They seem to have similar or the same goals (put in different words) but SDM seems to have 'guard rails'. 
Am I understanding things? I think I might be interested in a new addition to my sub protocol, so wondering which is more effective, more appropriate, etc.
Also, can SDM be used with DMSI in an episodic manner?

First, SDM is not an aphrodisiac, as are all the ones you mention.  Its goal is simply to increase your sex drive, which is the parent of sexual motivation and arousal.  An aphrodisiac goes in and tries to directly trigger arousal.  SDM does what results in your body returning to it's maximum state of sex drive.  You don't need any aphrodisiac when you're in that state.  It's like when I was 18 I was constantly having to hide spontaneous erections in High School because they would be so obvious.  I didn't ask for them, didn't want them - they were just there.  My sex drive was at its peak, and it made me need sex to such a degree that it was torture.  

Porn is an aphrodisiac of sorts.  I didn't need porn.  I didn't need to see anything in particular that was stimulating.  I was simply in a state of readiness and urgency for sexual activity all the time.  

Now, in my 40's I have a higher sex drive than most of the people out there at my age, but it's not what it used to be.  Using an aphrodisiac will turn me on, but using SDM means I return to that state where I don't need any aphrodisiac to turn me on.  Does that make sense?

SDM can be used in the moment with DMSI, but I strongly recommend that you know how SDM and DMSI each affect you individually inside and out before you try something like that.  It is also possible that they may enhance each other's effects, or conflict.  They have very different goals, and while they may trigger some of the same responses, they do so in very different ways and for very different reasons.  If you get SDM, I suggest using it for a few months alone before you try using it with anything else.  In fact I suspect you may not want to use it in combination, after a few months exposing yourself and your wife to it.

To more specifically answer your query about X32 vs SDM... SDM vastly outstrips X32 for how powerful and effective it is, and it is designed to achieve a longer term more steady "ambient" level of sexual readiness, interest and desire.  X32 is designed for shorter term use, and is very old technology at this point in comparison.

Thanks for the cogent response! That's quite helpful. 
Now a couple more questions about SDM. One of the reasons I started using DMSI 3.3.2 is that I expected it to and it DOES heighten sexual drive and urgency for my wife and I.
Sounds like SDM would be more 'to the point', though. 
When I read the description (a couple times) I noted that SDM has not been tested on 60-year-olds. I am 64 at this writing and wonder if it might be more useful overall at this point than continuing DMSI 3.3.2. I continue to see good effects from DMSI and am happy with it, but the idea of simply having that natural state where you pop erections all the time (even if it was half that effective) would be great. Do you expect that SDM would work for someone my age, even though, as you point out it has not been tested in our age range?

Yes.  The design of the program and what it does/how it works is intended to be useful regardless of your age, as long as you are healthy enough to have sex in the first place.

Quote:Also, little is said about the female experience as I remember, but it should be able to cut both ways. Would it work on a 60 something woman with an already fairly healthy sex drive to want it more frequently and perhaps initiate more often?

It is designed to be equally useful and effective for the ladies as it is for the gents.

Quote:If I were to use this more than episodically, how long would you advise waiting after finishing a DMSI cycle before trying it?

Thanks!

You can start using it immediately if you like.  However, to better see what it is doing, you'll want to give yourself 2-4 weeks off DMSI first.

Thanks for the answers! I'm looking forward to buying, downloading and trying it out sometime when it makes sense.
Still seeing some interesting effects that I believe are coming from the DMSI 3.3.2 so I'm wondering if I keep looping if I'll see more interesting effects.

Hi All (ongoing log of off-label experience of the DMSI 3.3.2),

Day 4 ASRB2 Cycle #9
Well, tonight (if my calculations are right) I will begin our 10th cycle of sub listening.


I think I'm seeing some effects of the sub, but want to write down some of them to get feedback (especially from  Shannon) to see if these are likely sub effects or I should attribute them to something else...

During these last 4 days of break from listening to the sub (ASRB2) the following have been happening:

• The occasional REALLY good night sleep
  
• High quality and highly motivated and very satisfying and relatively frequent sexual encounters with the wife. The intensity seems to be there AND gradually increasing. e.g. going after the second and third orgasms is much more frequent. Recently, I even wanted to go again briefly after the first round and I'm 64 years old....
  
• Sex drive has been soaring. Women I would not normally be attracted to (good looking but off-limits for good reasons) are generating sexual feelings in me simply by thinking about them or seeing them. Seems that this is what I remember from being a teenager/20-something.
  
• Have had sexual dreams a couple times in the last few days. One night it was kind of intense and vivid and repeated. Yet at the same time I was VERY tired and slept well (or thought I had)
  
• The wife has been upbeat, compliant, easily excited and extra-open to sex with me. Though she shows little sign of feeling or experiencing attraction with anyone else.
  
• Saturday am bj two weeks in a row... looks like it could become a welcome 'routine'
  
• Strange, uplifting, masculinely confident sexual feelings at random times
  
• Been able to begin tapering down my TRT doses by 20-30% without experiencing ill-effects like I used to
  
• other little things I can't mention or don't remember right now
  

Because of these things I think we'll continue on the DMSI 3.3.2 track for now. Though I'm anxious to try a couple other subs too.

I am thinking (since I don't really know what else is inside this thing), that the FRM is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. I think this because I believe a lot of the surging confidence and 'joy' in my masculinity is coming from reinforcing my values of not caring what people think of me. Not caring whether the wife is in a good mood or not-- a lot less. Just kind of assuming that I have something to offer everyone, not in a proud way, just in the opposite of being in a 'self defensive mode' mentally. Able to relax in the fact that the wife is highly sexual and needs me and my attention to be content and feel fulfilled. So when we have a spat (for instance) I can let go of it quickly and just treat her like the woman that she is and that she needs my attention. Not sure I'm making good sense here, but if you've had the experience I'm talking about you'll recognize it. These are directions I had already begun moving toward and decided were the way I wanted to be, I just was having trouble fully getting over the hump. The sub seems to have energized this process.

Have a great day! Here's to getting back out there socially soon so we can see what else this stuff can do!

Is all this a sudden change from normal? Because some of that sounds like what I would expect from SDM, and if so, it might be TID. But in either case, I'm pleased to see you enjoying these programs.

(05-04-2020, 01:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Is all this a sudden change from normal?  Because some of that sounds like what I would expect from SDM, and if so, it might be TID.  But in either case, I'm pleased to see you enjoying these programs.

A couple of the things are 'sudden' changes from normal, like the sexual dreams. Others are just enhanced versions of what was already happening or way more frequent.

I remember reading about this TID-- a sub starts having effects before you use them? Does that interfere with the current sub or just tend to enhance the desired effects or add new desired effects? Not sure how to process that, if you can start feeling the effects just because you plan to purchase it at some time...

The brain is a grand inference engine. Maybe based on my success with the DMSI 3.3.2 and a deep, hidden, intuitive understanding of how it does what it does, my subconscious is able to generate similar inner processes with the effects I read about SDM and that you told me about. 

Maybe there is even an effect IN the sub that suggests this as a possibility? I'm getting that you're suggesting that TID is more of one of those 'quantum' effects. 

I do have an 'urge' to purchase the sub, and it feels 'cool' to know that I can buy it at anytime, download and start listening to it. Also, I have a sense that I WILL buy and use it when I feel the time is right. However, I also have a contrary 'urge' that says "keep going with DMSI to see what happens it has had interesting effects so far..." and a deep curiosity about what the next version of DMSI might do since you seem to be getting better and better at these things.

Seems like it would be impossible for ME to judge whether it is TID from SDM or other effects from DMSI, since only you  really know what is inside both of them.

I should note that on Friday afternoon I loop PSE once or twice and then again on Sunday to create romantic moods at our typical romantic 'date' moments. Also, I sometimes use x124 no more than once or twice a week while we are intimate. I try to follow your 'approved usage patterns' very strictly now that I can listen to DMSI at night. Btw: I think that if I had tried to listen to that at night right off the bat we would not have slept well for a couple weeks. Now that we've been listening to it for a couple months, using it at night has no detectable negative impact on sleep. It has a 'friendly' feel. Hard to put into words.

Did you have any thoughts based on these effects whether I should stick with DMSI for the duration or switch tracks?

(05-04-2020, 02:08 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 01:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Is all this a sudden change from normal?  Because some of that sounds like what I would expect from SDM, and if so, it might be TID.  But in either case, I'm pleased to see you enjoying these programs.

A couple of the things are 'sudden' changes from normal, like the sexual dreams. Others are just enhanced versions of what was already happening or way more frequent.

I remember reading about this TID-- a sub starts having effects before you use them? Does that interfere with the current sub or just tend to enhance the desired effects or add new desired effects? Not sure how to process that, if you can start feeling the effects just because you plan to purchase it at some time...

TID causes the subliminal to start affecting you, as your conscious mind sees it, "before you start using it".  But time is not a point of now, nor linear, as the conscious mind perceives it; it's more like a smear.  Naturally this means that some part of you has already started using it, but because the conscious mind has such a limited awareness, it seems to be "happening before you start using it".  

TID can influence your current subliminal, and in some cases, can conflict.  I doubt that it would conflict with DMSI for you to be getting TID from Sex Drive Maximizer, since they have similar functions.  What it would appear to be was a sudden enhancement of certain of DMSI's effects, which is why I said it sounds like TID.

My experience is that whatever the dominant probability line (which is a line of discreet moments, possibilities, which lead from when you are now to what is your most likely future based on your most likely choices) is, you will experience the effects "downstream" in time when it comes to TID.  Meaning that if this is TID, it would be resulting from your most probable future being that you start using it within ~35 days from now or less.

It is possible to be getting TID from a most probable future, and then at any time before you start using the program you are getting TID from, choose not to use it.  In such case, you will stop experiencing TID as the dominant probability line becomes you NOT using it.  Fascinatingly, you can still remember and experience the TID, even though technically you never used it.

Quote:The brain is a grand inference engine. Maybe based on my success with the DMSI 3.3.2 and a deep, hidden, intuitive understanding of how it does what it does, my subconscious is able to generate similar inner processes with the effects I read about SDM and that you told me about.

 

I think that is much less likely than TID.  

Quote:Maybe there is even an effect IN the sub that suggests this as a possibility? I'm getting that you're suggesting that TID is more of one of those 'quantum' effects. 

TID is as I stated above a result of using your whole awareness, not just your conscious mind with its small and limited awareness in comparison to your whole awareness.  Time really doesn't even exist, but it is perceived by your different levels of awareness according to how limited they are in their ability to process "all of it is happening right now".  The "conscious" awareness is the most focused through the physical body, and thus the most limited by the nervous system's limits, which are severe compared to your true potential for awareness as a non-physical mind/awareness.  At least that is what the results of my experiments, research and such have led me to believe since I started doing the research and experiments in 1991.

Quote:I do have an 'urge' to purchase the sub, and it feels 'cool' to know that I can buy it at anytime, download and start listening to it. Also, I have a sense that I WILL buy and use it when I feel the time is right. However, I also have a contrary 'urge' that says "keep going with DMSI to see what happens it has had interesting effects so far..." and a deep curiosity about what the next version of DMSI might do since you seem to be getting better and better at these things.

By all means, use DMSI if you wish.  I'm not trying to sell you on SDM.  I'm simply stating that what you describe fits the pattern of what we have come to expect from TID, and the circumstances you find yourself in.

Quote:Seems like it would be impossible for ME to judge whether it is TID from SDM or other effects from DMSI, since only you  really know what is inside both of them.

I can't be certain it is TID either.  It's a very challenging thing to observe in some cases, and verify in most cases.

Quote:I should note that on Friday afternoon I loop PSE once or twice and then again on Sunday to create romantic moods at our typical romantic 'date' moments. Also, I sometimes use x124 no more than once or twice a week while we are intimate. I try to follow your 'approved usage patterns' very strictly now that I can listen to DMSI at night. Btw: I think that if I had tried to listen to that at night right off the bat we would not have slept well for a couple weeks. Now that we've been listening to it for a couple months, using it at night has no detectable negative impact on sleep. It has a 'friendly' feel. Hard to put into words.

Did you have any thoughts based on these effects whether I should stick with DMSI for the duration or switch tracks?

I'll leave that up to you. 

(05-04-2020, 05:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 02:08 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 01:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Is all this a sudden change from normal?  Because some of that sounds like what I would expect from SDM, and if so, it might be TID.  But in either case, I'm pleased to see you enjoying these programs.

A couple of the things are 'sudden' changes from normal, like the sexual dreams. Others are just enhanced versions of what was already happening or way more frequent.

I remember reading about this TID-- a sub starts having effects before you use them? Does that interfere with the current sub or just tend to enhance the desired effects or add new desired effects? Not sure how to process that, if you can start feeling the effects just because you plan to purchase it at some time...

TID causes the subliminal to start affecting you, as your conscious mind sees it, "before you start using it".  But time is not a point of now, nor linear, as the conscious mind perceives it; it's more like a smear.  Naturally this means that some part of you has already started using it, but because the conscious mind has such a limited awareness, it seems to be "happening before you start using it".  

TID can influence your current subliminal, and in some cases, can conflict.  I doubt that it would conflict with DMSI for you to be getting TID from Sex Drive Maximizer, since they have similar functions.  What it would appear to be was a sudden enhancement of certain of DMSI's effects, which is why I said it sounds like TID.

My experience is that whatever the dominant probability line (which is a line of discreet moments, possibilities, which lead from when you are now to what is your most likely future based on your most likely choices) is, you will experience the effects "downstream" in time when it comes to TID.  Meaning that if this is TID, it would be resulting from your most probable future being that you start using it within ~35 days from now or less.

It is possible to be getting TID from a most probable future, and then at any time before you start using the program you are getting TID from, choose not to use it.  In such case, you will stop experiencing TID as the dominant probability line becomes you NOT using it.  Fascinatingly, you can still remember and experience the TID, even though technically you never used it.

Quote:The brain is a grand inference engine. Maybe based on my success with the DMSI 3.3.2 and a deep, hidden, intuitive understanding of how it does what it does, my subconscious is able to generate similar inner processes with the effects I read about SDM and that you told me about.

 

I think that is much less likely than TID.  

Quote:Maybe there is even an effect IN the sub that suggests this as a possibility? I'm getting that you're suggesting that TID is more of one of those 'quantum' effects. 

TID is as I stated above a result of using your whole awareness, not just your conscious mind with its small and limited awareness in comparison to your whole awareness.  Time really doesn't even exist, but it is perceived by your different levels of awareness according to how limited they are in their ability to process "all of it is happening right now".  The "conscious" awareness is the most focused through the physical body, and thus the most limited by the nervous system's limits, which are severe compared to your true potential for awareness as a non-physical mind/awareness.  At least that is what the results of my experiments, research and such have led me to believe since I started doing the research and experiments in 1991.

Quote:I do have an 'urge' to purchase the sub, and it feels 'cool' to know that I can buy it at anytime, download and start listening to it. Also, I have a sense that I WILL buy and use it when I feel the time is right. However, I also have a contrary 'urge' that says "keep going with DMSI to see what happens it has had interesting effects so far..." and a deep curiosity about what the next version of DMSI might do since you seem to be getting better and better at these things.

By all means, use DMSI if you wish.  I'm not trying to sell you on SDM.  I'm simply stating that what you describe fits the pattern of what we have come to expect from TID, and the circumstances you find yourself in.

Quote:Seems like it would be impossible for ME to judge whether it is TID from SDM or other effects from DMSI, since only you  really know what is inside both of them.

I can't be certain it is TID either.  It's a very challenging thing to observe in some cases, and verify in most cases.

Quote:I should note that on Friday afternoon I loop PSE once or twice and then again on Sunday to create romantic moods at our typical romantic 'date' moments. Also, I sometimes use x124 no more than once or twice a week while we are intimate. I try to follow your 'approved usage patterns' very strictly now that I can listen to DMSI at night. Btw: I think that if I had tried to listen to that at night right off the bat we would not have slept well for a couple weeks. Now that we've been listening to it for a couple months, using it at night has no detectable negative impact on sleep. It has a 'friendly' feel. Hard to put into words.

Did you have any thoughts based on these effects whether I should stick with DMSI for the duration or switch tracks?

I'll leave that up to you. 

Thanks for the thoughtful responses, Shannon!

I do not feel any pressure from you to purchase SDM, I assure you. It is this inner sense of desiring to experiment and experience what it might have to offer. At the same time after thinking about it, I realize that since I like what DMSI has done, I want to make sure those effects are somewhat permanent before changing tracks. If I remember, I think you suggest that 6 months to 9 months are required for that, but I couldn't find the specific reference I was looking for quickly enough. Then again, the goals of the two subs are close enough that it might not waste the effects of DMSI if I move to SDM now. Since I have consciously (and I presume subconsciously as well) embraced the experienced effects of DMSI, I would think that my subconscious would cling to those and attempt to integrate new 'work' to be in harmony with those changes I have already experienced.

TID is such an interesting and slippery concept. Impossible to get your arms around, but as you describe it, it sounds quite likely to be at work.

I re-started DMSI listening last night with high hopes of feeling some more cool stuff since the ASRB2 was so productive. Strangely, I woke feeling a bit toned down from the previous three or four days. No one can operate ALL the time at the level I was feeling I suppose, but I welcome being there more of the time.

btw: 
Yesterday, went out shopping for chili pepper plants. One store everyone was in masks and they handed things to you with gloves and plastic bags under plexiglass shields, like in some weird science fiction movie. 
The other, smaller place, I went to the young lady that checked out my purchases was very warm and friendly (I had dealt with her before and found her attractive but she had never been more than courteous). She helped me carry my purchases (light little plants, just too many for one person to handle without damaging them) to my car, gave me her card and said to call her if I had any problems with the plants. This was new. You could see in her eyes that she was smiling, though the mask hid most of her face. I wonder if that was the longing for closeness due to so much separation these days or effects of the sniper... she would qualify as 'my type' in several ways and has a gentle but fun-loving spirit I would also count as attractive. So that was cool. Not stuff I would ever act on, but it's nice to know I can call her about the plants if I have trouble and she might remember me and look forward to helping.

She gave you her card and said "call me"? Sounds like something the DMSI sniper might have had a hand in.

(05-05-2020, 12:07 PM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]She gave you her card and said "call me"? Sounds like something the DMSI sniper might have had a hand in.

Yeah, right? I would think the normal way would be, here's a card (default store card info), "call us if you need any help". But what happened was initially, "if there are any problems with the plants, take a picture and email it to us" then after that, she handed me her card and said, "call me if you have any trouble with the plants." The latter did strike me at the time as surprisingly personal. It is fun being helped in these things by people you find attractive, too. Makes chores more pleasant 

Well, for whatever reason (maybe lack of sleep, sex in the middle of the night, etc.) my sex drive is tanking right now and 'date night' starts in a couple hours. 

Seems like the perfect time to run this new SDM for episodic use to see if it can optimize the drive of a tired guy with a horny wife that doesn't seem to need as much sleep as he does....

Only thing is, I paid for it 10 minutes ago (or so currently, it's 1:05pm pacific), the payment hit our bank immediately (only a couple seconds), but I still don't see the order in my downloads. I can't remember if there's like some approval process Shannon and team have to do, but hopefully it won't take long or my experimental moment will be wasted.

Here's hoping it shows up sometime soon!

Despite our best efforts, we are still dealing with PayPal issues, and require manual processing... I'm so sorry that it's causing you problems. Unfortunately, at the moment, there is nothing I know of that I can do about it. It has to wait for Ben to manually finish the order.

(05-08-2020, 01:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Despite our best efforts, we are still dealing with PayPal issues, and require manual processing... I'm so sorry that it's causing you problems.  Unfortunately, at the moment, there is nothing I know of that I can do about it.  It has to wait for Ben to manually finish the order.

Oh well. This would have been an ideal test for me to see if it would boost my flagging libido this afternoon.

I'll have to rely on my usual backups.

I will have to remember it's not a usual digital purchase where it is available instantly.

Then again, maybe this is the TID-- libido started to flag last night, sagged more this am and throughout the morning. Then I decided to buy the sub. Maybe my psyche somehow felt that I wouldn't be getting its support as I had planned?

Negative TID, loss of effects bec the planned purchase of the product didn't happen as expected?