Subliminal Talk

Great to read your experiments, i also like to do it, i experiment with the subs, and i see how they affect me and in which situations, and its great. I know this is not good for having good long term results, but i like to explore. I think that if you are aware of the dangerous and you see something you can stop before happening, hope everything will be ok. Wishing to read more about it. Regards,

Hi Shannon (& co.),
A quick by-the-way question:

In purchasing DMSI, I received both a Masked Ocean version and a Hybrid Ocean version. It may just be my impatient scanning, but I can't seem to find anywhere that explains the difference.
What is the difference between Hybrid Ocean and Masked Ocean?
Also, is one better than the other?
Why?
Also, is it better to listen in a meditative mode to the Ocean tracks while semi-awake or to just play them in the background?
Also, how can you tell the difference between a state-shifting program and a non-state-shifting program? (both your products and others I may have purchased)

Thanks!

Hi,
Hybrid is ultrasonic and masked layered in one. It's technically the most powerful file, but that depends. If you're someone who hates being told what to do then it can come across too forceful and in that case something that's more gentle like ocean surf would be better. But if you can handle it then it's going to be the most powerful version for you.

You don't need to listen in a meditative state, you can listen while doing other things other than what the warnings say.

Shannon will have to explain the state shifting part, as he can do so better than me.

Other than that, interesting reports. It started working quickly for you.

(01-20-2020, 04:09 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Hi,
    Hybrid is ultrasonic and masked layered in one. It's technically the most powerful file, but that depends. If you're someone who hates being told what to do then it can come across too forceful and in that case something that's more gentle like ocean surf would be better. But if you can handle it then it's going to be the most powerful version for you.

You don't need to listen in a meditative state, you can listen while doing other things other than what the warnings say.

Shannon will have to explain the state shifting part, as he can do so better than me.

Other than that, interesting reports. It started working quickly for you.

So... ultrasonic and masked are different ways of doing the same thing, but when combined they are more powerful?

(01-20-2020, 04:23 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2020, 04:09 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Hi,
    Hybrid is ultrasonic and masked layered in one. It's technically the most powerful file, but that depends. If you're someone who hates being told what to do then it can come across too forceful and in that case something that's more gentle like ocean surf would be better. But if you can handle it then it's going to be the most powerful version for you.

You don't need to listen in a meditative state, you can listen while doing other things other than what the warnings say.

Shannon will have to explain the state shifting part, as he can do so better than me.

Other than that, interesting reports. It started working quickly for you.

So... ultrasonic and masked are different ways of doing the same thing, but when combined they are more powerful?

In masked the sound of the script have been lowered and masked behind the sound of the see or the water. Ultrasonic is not about the volume is about the frequencies, high frequencies that your subconscious can hear and understand. And in the hybrid you have both, masked and ultrasonic together. That's why is the most powerful, but may or not be the best depending the person.

Hey @rono.

If you have a look at the top of the forum, you will find a link to the glossary and frequently asked questions.

The FAQ on masked and ultrasonic format.

The FAQ on hybrid.

The glossary has an entry on state shifting.

Just experiment to see which one is better for you, you can try as well with the different volumes, depending on the personality they have different effects.

(01-21-2020, 01:56 AM)Raz Wrote: [ -> ]Hey @rono.

If you have a look at the top of the forum, you will find a link to the glossary and frequently asked questions.

The FAQ on masked and ultrasonic format.

The FAQ on hybrid.

The glossary has an entry on state shifting.

Yeah, I searched the glossary on that topic and found no info on mask or hybrid. 
I scanned the FAQ but did not see the links that you sent, so thank you for those. 
They are just what I was looking for.
Thanks!

Hi All -- journal continues...

I had written a draft of what happened yesterday but today I can't find it. Oh well, this will be short.

Day 4 continued

Had a massage at my usual place, but as luck would have it had a new therapist so no baseline to go off of, but she definitely responded more warmly to me than any previous therapist on our first meeting. However, that could be personality. I did observe a couple things that I thought were interesting:
1) I started a conversation in a way that was pretty cool, but did not sound like me - made me think maybe the program had affected my interpersonal style, but it wasn't particularly flirty or anything. Hard to put into words.
2) I was ticklish in my feet, something I had not experienced for decades. Am I more in touch with my body? Is it more responsive to touch? Is it bec of the program? Don't know what to do with this one. I'm simply not ticklish but lo and behold there it was. Really surprised me.

Re my wife... she was out of the house the whole day so very little exposure to the subliminal. She had an hour or so in the evening. She did complain of 'unusual tiredness' but she says that a lot, hard to sort whether it's the sub or not.

Slept poorly - or at least it felt that way. Felt hot during the night, but not sure what might have caused that. Eventually, we both were just using a sheet on a winter's night with the a/c running to make sure the temp didn't go much above 67 degrees... Is the sub increasing our metabolisms?

Day 5 part 1
She was very 'in the mood' this am. Had a very enthusiastic time together before the lights even came on pre-6am. It felt differently in that she seemed somewhat more comfortable with her sexuality and needs. I didn't need to remind her she 'needed it' (something I usually keep track of for her) I offered her some and she responded enthusiastically. A good time was had by all. Her oral skills continue to improve. I think this comes from a combination of slight increase in my attractiveness coupled with increased confidence on her side. This latter is one of the reasons I decided to experiment with exposing her to the sub since Shannon had warned that sometimes the other person starts to feel insecure in the presence of the person running DMSI 3.3.2--something I really did NOT want for her.

Maybe more later. There will be kids in the house most of the day, so while I'm currently listening to the Hybrid ocean on headphones, she won't be getting much exposure during the day, I'll play it in the background tonight during dinner (again this is an off-label use, I know and am keeping a vigilant eye out for unwanted effects).

btw: I find the Hybrid 'stronger' I feel it more in the moment. Hard to describe, but it has more 'push' and 'pull' hopefully it will speed the effects.

I am going to see if I can find ways to be out-and-about having contact with people on a daily basis, but that doesn't fit easily with my remote working from home.

Cheers!

(01-20-2020, 03:12 PM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon (& co.),
A quick by-the-way question:

In purchasing DMSI, I received both a Masked Ocean version and a Hybrid Ocean version. It may just be my impatient scanning, but I can't seem to find anywhere that explains the difference.
What is the difference between Hybrid Ocean and Masked Ocean?
Also, is one better than the other?
Why?
Also, is it better to listen in a meditative mode to the Ocean tracks while semi-awake or to just play them in the background?

These have already been answered sufficiently, I believe... if I'm wrong, let me know.

Quote:Also, how can you tell the difference between a state-shifting program and a non-state-shifting program? (both your products and others I may have purchased)

Thanks!

As a part of developing from 5G to 6G, I started doing state shifting in the skeleton script.  State shifting can be ITM-SS, TSS or both.  ITM-SS is "In The Moment State Shifting", and this is standard in the skeleton script.  DMSI also uses TSS, "Triggered State Shifting" which is designed to kick in when you need it and also assist the Autopiloting modules.  To date there are no subs with just TSS.  Every sub from early 5.5G and on has ITM-SS.  So if it's 5.5G or later, it's state shifting.

I don't know what to tell you about other producers' programs.  I can only speak for my own.  Spending time researching what other producers are doing would be time that I could have spent developing, building, researching, experimenting and publishing programs of my own.  I would rather work on my own. 

(01-21-2020, 11:36 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All -- journal continues...

I had written a draft of what happened yesterday but today I can't find it. Oh well, this will be short.

Day 4 continued

Had a massage at my usual place, but as luck would have it had a new therapist so no baseline to go off of, but she definitely responded more warmly to me than any previous therapist on our first meeting. However, that could be personality. I did observe a couple things that I thought were interesting:
1) I started a conversation in a way that was pretty cool, but did not sound like me - made me think maybe the program had affected my interpersonal style, but it wasn't particularly flirty or anything. Hard to put into words.
2) I was ticklish in my feet, something I had not experienced for decades. Am I more in touch with my body? Is it more responsive to touch? Is it bec of the program? Don't know what to do with this one. I'm simply not ticklish but lo and behold there it was. Really surprised me.

It is likely the result of the module designed to make sex better.  

Quote:Re my wife... she was out of the house the whole day so very little exposure to the subliminal. She had an hour or so in the evening. She did complain of 'unusual tiredness' but she says that a lot, hard to sort whether it's the sub or not.

Slept poorly - or at least it felt that way. Felt hot during the night, but not sure what might have caused that. Eventually, we both were just using a sheet on a winter's night with the a/c running to make sure the temp didn't go much above 67 degrees... Is the sub increasing our metabolisms?

DMSI has you projecting a very powerful aura of energy which is composed, among other things, of heat.  When I was still able to use it I found that I could go out to the Jetty on a moderately windy night in November when the wind was in the high 40's F and wear only a t shirt and jeans without being cold.  That had never happened before, and has not happened since.

Quote:Day 5 part 1
She was very 'in the mood' this am. Had a very enthusiastic time together before the lights even came on pre-6am. It felt differently in that she seemed somewhat more comfortable with her sexuality and needs. I didn't need to remind her she 'needed it' (something I usually keep track of for her) I offered her some and she responded enthusiastically. A good time was had by all. Her oral skills continue to improve. I think this comes from a combination of slight increase in my attractiveness coupled with increased confidence on her side. This latter is one of the reasons I decided to experiment with exposing her to the sub since Shannon had warned that sometimes the other person starts to feel insecure in the presence of the person running DMSI 3.3.2--something I really did NOT want for her.

Generally that will only happen if one person is running the sub and the other is insecure.  Usually this insecurity comes from observing the responses they get from others.  If you are both running it, it's unlikely.

Quote:Maybe more later. There will be kids in the house most of the day, so while I'm currently listening to the Hybrid ocean on headphones, she won't be getting much exposure during the day, I'll play it in the background tonight during dinner (again this is an off-label use, I know and am keeping a vigilant eye out for unwanted effects).

btw: I find the Hybrid 'stronger' I feel it more in the moment. Hard to describe, but it has more 'push' and 'pull' hopefully it will speed the effects.

I am going to see if I can find ways to be out-and-about having contact with people on a daily basis, but that doesn't fit easily with my remote working from home.

Cheers!

The Hybrid doubles the input of data per unit of time.  If you're not a control freak type personality, it will usually have a noticeably better result.

(01-21-2020, 07:53 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2020, 11:36 AM)rono Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All -- journal continues...

I had written a draft of what happened yesterday but today I can't find it. Oh well, this will be short.

Day 4 continued

Had a massage at my usual place, but as luck would have it had a new therapist so no baseline to go off of, but she definitely responded more warmly to me than any previous therapist on our first meeting. However, that could be personality. I did observe a couple things that I thought were interesting:
1) I started a conversation in a way that was pretty cool, but did not sound like me - made me think maybe the program had affected my interpersonal style, but it wasn't particularly flirty or anything. Hard to put into words.
2) I was ticklish in my feet, something I had not experienced for decades. Am I more in touch with my body? Is it more responsive to touch? Is it bec of the program? Don't know what to do with this one. I'm simply not ticklish but lo and behold there it was. Really surprised me.

It is likely the result of the module designed to make sex better.  

Quote:Re my wife... she was out of the house the whole day so very little exposure to the subliminal. She had an hour or so in the evening. She did complain of 'unusual tiredness' but she says that a lot, hard to sort whether it's the sub or not.

Slept poorly - or at least it felt that way. Felt hot during the night, but not sure what might have caused that. Eventually, we both were just using a sheet on a winter's night with the a/c running to make sure the temp didn't go much above 67 degrees... Is the sub increasing our metabolisms?

DMSI has you projecting a very powerful aura of energy which is composed, among other things, of heat.  When I was still able to use it I found that I could go out to the Jetty on a moderately windy night in November when the wind was in the high 40's F and wear only a t shirt and jeans without being cold.  That had never happened before, and has not happened since.

Quote:Day 5 part 1
She was very 'in the mood' this am. Had a very enthusiastic time together before the lights even came on pre-6am. It felt differently in that she seemed somewhat more comfortable with her sexuality and needs. I didn't need to remind her she 'needed it' (something I usually keep track of for her) I offered her some and she responded enthusiastically. A good time was had by all. Her oral skills continue to improve. I think this comes from a combination of slight increase in my attractiveness coupled with increased confidence on her side. This latter is one of the reasons I decided to experiment with exposing her to the sub since Shannon had warned that sometimes the other person starts to feel insecure in the presence of the person running DMSI 3.3.2--something I really did NOT want for her.

Generally that will only happen if one person is running the sub and the other is insecure.  Usually this insecurity comes from observing the responses they get from others.  If you are both running it, it's unlikely.

Quote:Maybe more later. There will be kids in the house most of the day, so while I'm currently listening to the Hybrid ocean on headphones, she won't be getting much exposure during the day, I'll play it in the background tonight during dinner (again this is an off-label use, I know and am keeping a vigilant eye out for unwanted effects).

btw: I find the Hybrid 'stronger' I feel it more in the moment. Hard to describe, but it has more 'push' and 'pull' hopefully it will speed the effects.

I am going to see if I can find ways to be out-and-about having contact with people on a daily basis, but that doesn't fit easily with my remote working from home.

Cheers!

The Hybrid doubles the input of data per unit of time.  If you're not a control freak type personality, it will usually have a noticeably better result.

Thanks for the responses! Especially the State-shifting descriptions. I like the approach/thinking there, likely to make the effects of a sub more useful and appropriate to the moment.

I'm not a control freak, so that's probably why I'm 'feeling it' in such a powerful way. 

Here's to the module designed to make sex better! Working like gangbusters for us. We've both been having experiences that are about 20% better. Better interaction, better, more positive awareness of one another in the moment. More intense climaxes and the effects seem prolonged a bit. I'm usually energized by sex, but with this that effect is more pronounced.

So the insecurity comes from a 'jealous' reaction to improved quality of attention from other members of the opposite sex. A little bit of that sort of attention boosts attraction with the desired partner, so that could work. I won't be too worried about her then if I stop playing it for her.

Hi All (DMSI 3.3.2 off-label experiment continues),

Day 5 continued:
So this afternoon I had a haircut appointment in keeping with my plan to get out and have some social contact with relative strangers each day.

I had my haircut once by this young lady once a couple months ago, but we got along, she confided many personal issues with me about her failed marriage and family issues on our first appt.

This time I went in and she seemed a little unusually reserved. Turns out, I was only her second appt of the day so she was probably just 'warming up' still. However, she opened up again and showed some signs of being more responsive to me physically. Standing a little closer, taking her time while cutting the hair, maybe with a little more flair, subtle but noticeable. Her verbal got playful toward the end. At the end of the haircut, though, this place always has the stylist use a hand vibrator give you a shoulder massage. She didn't just do my neck and shoulders but let her hand slide down to the outside of my delts, never had one of the stylists do this part before, it was always the upper shoulder not the outside of the deltoid. Also, she let her hand with the vibrator just stay there on my shoulder for longer than one would expect, then she did it on the other side as well, so it wasn't a mistake. This is one of the sort of the things I was hoping would happen. Improved, warmer service from people I come into contact with.

I usually get decent response from female vendors (shop keepers, waitresses, etc.) ever since I did my Alpha transformation about 15 years ago. But this is a welcome improvement. I attribute this to the sub, but up to Shannon to call it.

One of my daughters (in her 30s) and my m-i-l (in her late 80s) were over last night. Both responded warmly to me as usual, maybe more warmly, hard to say. I felt more confident and relaxed even though I am usually relaxed with them, I just felt more patient, warm but less easily bothered by details.

Day 6:
Very sexy feelings in my body during the night. Wife warm and cuddly, perhaps a little more than usual. Again, I didn't need any blanket all night--even my wife didn't need a blanket for a large part of the night. Woke up wonderfully horny and attracted to my wife. It was not a good am for sex (had to be at a 7am mtg) so I wasn't going there, but would have felt great. I actually spoke very sexually and boldly. So boldly that I actually got a little resistant reaction to my suggestion from her. She does this sometimes but hasn't for quite a while. I was taken aback and made me thoughtful about whether I should change my approach, etc. A few minutes later she apologized and gave me a very warm hug and kiss as we were doing our 'ablutions'. So, I attribute that to 1) me being less fearful and more sexually bold (I will need to watch this, because I usually say what I'm thinking anyway...); 2) Her feeling stronger attraction to me than she is used to and trying out a resistant reaction. She didn't like the way it felt and turned it around fairly quickly when she realized that.

Today, I'll be going by my doctor's office and I'll do a little business/paperwork with the receptionist. It will be interesting to see how she reacts. She's under a lot of pressure right now for business issues. But in our email exchange this morning, she seemed unusually warm. Just a little, like she was actually looking a little forward to me coming by. Will report later or tomorrow.

So far today, I've pretty much listened to 4 loops so far mostly back to back. First two loops were silent and the second two were Hybrid.

@Shannon
How important is it to have NO gaps in the listening?
e.g. if I get a phone call and I was listening to the loop on my phone does that mean I need to start over or just resume where I left off? Should I roll back and pick up a couple minutes before the interruption?
If I need to switch devices from one I'm using at my desk to my phone and I'm in the middle of a loop, does it do any harm to more-or-less switch to where I left off on the new device?

It's highly recommended to keep the loops back to back without interruption.

If "life" intervenes, then "life" intervenes, but it's way better to avoid gaps whenever possible. These programs have been created with great care for effectiveness and efficiency regarding subliminal input. I believe it's explained on the product description page.

IIRC, if anything interrupts, it's recommended to start from the beginning of the entire "run" (so all loops, back to back), if you can.

Also wanted to note I tend to use the term "ablution" for showering and hygiene as well.