chaosvrgn's REAL results ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (A DMSI v3.1 Exploration)

[SargeMaximus]

Yo, take that black and white thought back to your thread, bruh. I dig ya, but that shit's getting on my nerves lately. One stupid ass woman's opinion doesn't mean all seven billion other f*cking women will agree.

I'm trying. I'm not entirely sure what the "black and white thinking" entails, especially since I've been more open to things lately.

And yeah, one woman's opinion isn't the same as all women's opinion. I get that. Jeez.

[eternity]

Yo, take that black and white thought back to your thread, bruh. I dig ya, but that shit's getting on my nerves lately. One stupid ass woman's opinion doesn't mean all seven billion other f*cking women will agree.

I'm trying. I'm not entirely sure what the "black and white thinking" entails, especially since I've been more open to things lately.

And yeah, one woman's opinion isn't the same as all women's opinion. I get that. Jeez.

I'll try to describe sort of what I see when you get called out for things like this.

Example:
You read in a book, or online that 2+2 does NOT equal 3. So you insist that 2+2 = 5, because of the fact that 10-5 = 5. Your experience demonstrates that 10-5=5, and you take that to mean 2+2 also = 5. Your experience with mathematical formulas have shown you that 5 is the correct answer. So you insist that other mathematical formulas also have 5 as the correct answer, because that is fact in your mind. Other possibilities are closed to your mind because your experience is the only possibility you can see.

I know what I described is really abstract, but I'll try to make you aware of this when I see it next time.

[SargeMaximus]

Yo, take that black and white thought back to your thread, bruh. I dig ya, but that shit's getting on my nerves lately. One stupid ass woman's opinion doesn't mean all seven billion other f*cking women will agree.

I'm trying. I'm not entirely sure what the "black and white thinking" entails, especially since I've been more open to things lately.

And yeah, one woman's opinion isn't the same as all women's opinion. I get that. Jeez.

I'll try to describe sort of what I see when you get called out for things like this.

Example:
You read in a book, or online that 2+2 does NOT equal 3. So you insist that 2+2 = 5, because of the fact that 10-5 = 5. Your experience demonstrates that 10-5=5, and you take that to mean 2+2 also = 5. Your experience with mathematical formulas have shown you that 5 is the correct answer. So you insist that other mathematical formulas also have 5 as the correct answer, because that is fact in your mind. Other possibilities are closed to your mind because your experience is the only possibility you can see.

I know what I described is really abstract, but I'll try to make you aware of this when I see it next time.

Thank you for explaining that. I think I see what you mean.

Likewise, when I consider that 2+2 might not equal 5, I assume that I must also be wrong about 10-5=5, and go into a frenzy trying to find what is true.

It's a form of self doubt. but a good pattern to be aware of, so thank you.

[Benjamin]

EDIT: And Ben's making a lot of assumptions. My Thai school has so many students that he had to open extra classes to accommodate the people. And not all martial arts that aren't Thai or Jiu-Jutsu "useless."

From my experience, the more full on classes have lacked girls in them.. though mma is bigger now and maybe it's my area.

I'm not saying anything other than muay thai and bjj are useless. In fact for reality (e.g not sport) those arts aren't ideal but absolutely everyone says that it's like it's just the 'thing to say' because they have heard it so many times. But having real experience (e.g I don't mean training, sparring, competing) they are missing alot. Yes they are 'alive' and train against resistance but will teach alot of bad habits for the street and don't cover the most important things of self defense, awareness, prefight, psychology of an attacker, learning signs of a potential attack etc. MMA covers zero of that.

They are better than most things, especially traditional arts like karate or taekwondo, though you could call muay thai traditional since it goes back so many years I guess.

[chaosvrgn]

I get so tired of hearing these same non-arguments about "the street." We get people from "the street" coming in all the time thinking they can beat us is there's "no rules." I let them fight me with "no rules" and the result is always the same - I still hand their asses to them. These "street fighters" generally have never picked up a weight in their life or actually ran a mile outside of the crap they did in high school physical education classes. They eat like shit. They have no form or fighting instincts and they try to do crap they see in the movies. The idea of the badass "street fighter" it's a MYTH.

I train for 3-4 hours six days a week. My cardio is better than 90% of people. My punches are cleaner. My guard is tighter. I'm faster, stronger and yes -- my fight instincts are much more honed because I'm used to getting attacked. My shins and elbows are conditioned as fuck. If I Thai kick your leg, your knee is getting f*cked up.

No random average person, unless they have a gun or knife, is going to approach me and win a fight.

Sparring, competing and training prepares your body and mind for being attacked. What does the average person so everyday to prepare themselves? Nothing, absolutely nothing. That's why they get so winded and worn out within seconds of a fight and resort to trying to grab you.

Listen, people -- the "badass street fighter" that's going to take down a person who fights and trains everyday is a MYTH.

[Benjamin]

Yes you probably can kick their asses, you're talking about the dojo.. and no matter how alive it is doesn't compare to reality which is chaotic.

Have you actually proven any of this in reality or is this just ego of "no average person unless they have a gun or a knife will touch me".. because to me it's sounding like all ego and no proof in reality or any real experience.. sparring, kicking someones ass in a sport context is 1000% different.

I don't say this coming from no training or being a out of shape 'street fighter' who's never touched a weight in his life. I trained for years before I even did security, learnt from a fighter, freestyle martial arts comparable to mma but before it was big, close quarter combat.. yet getting into real fights I had no idea what I was in for.

The fact you think that me saying mma does not cover the most important factors of self defense is a non argument speaks of all dojo experience and no real experience. That was my main point, it will do alot to prepare you but is missing alot.

I'm not under the illusion I could walk in to a class and beat a mma dude, i'd get my ass kicked.. but put them in a different domain and ALL they have is the physical and no idea of how fights actual work, how it builds up to it and dealing with those things.. they will be at a severe disadvantage even if somebody with no form, is fat and out of shape but knows how to set them up for their own advantage.

And when I say a 'fight' I don't mean standing there shaping up to each other in a ring with a referee.. I mean someone coming at you with full intent, coming out of 'nowhere' (if you don't understand how it develops), or trying to take you by surprise, bringing their friends in. They don't close the distance with kicks or takedowns they close it with dialogue to put themselves in a position to take you out.. and you'll learn absolutely zero of how to deal with that in mma.

Yes you're much more prepared than the general public, fit.. it all helps and puts you ahead of most people, and far ahead of karate or tkd. But what i'm mainly saying is it has some very massive holes that are not covered in mma because by it's nature it's a sport.

Damn... this seems to have reawoken my old passion for it temporarily. I moved away from it after I got put in hospital and worked on alot of stuff and realized I didn't want to be in that environment anymore (nightclub security) because of the effect it had on me. There was also some pretty metaphysical stuff I learnt that goes deeper in that there was reasons I was attracting so many fights when I did the job that others weren't and when I dealt with that it lessened alot.

[chaosvrgn]

Have you ever actually went to an MMA school and trained? What makes you think that there's no mindset training included? Of course we train and analyze both street fights and pro fights. You're under the misconception that having a sport element automatically means there's no real life application, which is black and white thinking. Under MMA rules, the only thing that isn't allowed is small joint manipulations, which most people don't know how to do, and knees to the head once a hand is on the ground (which means you were fucked anyway).

Yes, I've proven this in a "real" context plenty of times. Most fights don't "come or of nowhere," they begin with a bunch of posturing and shoving and yelling, giving me ample time to light up my fighting instincts. And even if you did "surprise attack" me, I'm still in a physically and mentally superior position to be the victor. Get close with "dialogue," and make the mistake of putting your hands on me and that's where no-gi BJJ comes in, which is an integral part of MMA.

Yes, war is different than basic training, but the soldier that has gone through boot camp is in a better position than the guy that watches war movies, is out of shape and thinks he knows combat. I fought a police officer yesterday under "no rules" combat -- told him he didn't have to stick to Muay Thai. He could use his Marine training or whatever he wanted. Eye gauge, bite, whatever. He threw about 15 wild punches, got winded, caught a vicious leg check, switch kick to head combo and gave up.

Again, the average person is lazy, docile, out of shape and non-aggressive. And every time they come in with that same "I fight in the streets" crap, they quickly realized that they came to the wrong person posturing up. Believe it, don't believe it -- that's up to you, but I'm really not going to spend more time beating my chest to prove this point.

[chaosvrgn]

For those of you actually considering training martial arts, let me clarify a few things so you won't get deterred by all the misinformation out on the Internet.

#1: The word "MMA" is a hybrid term that describes both a quasi-style and a sport.
When a person says they train in MMA or a school advertises itself as an MMA school, they're not referring to what you see on UFC. The term signifies that the practitioner or the school teaches two different styles and unifies them to cover up the holes in the other style.

Generally, there's a stand-up striking art (like Muay Thai, Boxing or Full Contact Kyokokushin Karate) and a grappling / ground fighting art (Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu). These classes are usually taught by two different instructors and are two COMPLETE systems. In most places, you can take one style or the other, but it's encouraged to take both, because then you'll receive well-rounded training.

Within those individual systems, you WILL DRILL SELF-DEFENSE. And lots of it. You'll do awareness training, the differences between sport encounters and real counters, resistance drills, everything that could prepare you for "the street" (which I assure you, is less dangerous than taking on a skilled martial artist). Most people don't even know how to throw a proper punch. They don't know what "closing the distance" is. They'll posture up, shove each other and throw haymakers, get winded and try to go to the ground.

THEN, if you want to compete, most schools offer a competition class that focuses SOLELY on the sport. This myth that having a sport element makes the art "flawed" is ridiculous -- only about 10% of a school's students compete. Most people take martial arts for self-defense, so the school generally focuses on that.

The next time you hear someone say, "I train MMA," or you see a school branding itself as an MMA school, ask what they teach. They'll confirm what I just said -- two or more separate and complete martial arts with an emphasis on self-defense and a competition class for those who want to compete. Don't get turned away from an MMA school with a good reputation because you think you won't learn how to handle yourself "in the streets." That's a BS myth.

#2: Sparring matches, competitions aren't as intense as a real fight because there's a referee controlling things.

Again, that's ignorance from people who don't know sh*t about what's going on. If you've ever watched a boxing match (and especially thai boxing), you've seen what looks like the boxers hugging each other. This is called the clinch. They aren't hugging or resting, they're actually WRESTLING each other for a dominant position. In Thai boxing, clinching is damn near scientific with incredible real world application. Anyway, I'm sure you've seen the referee break up the clinch. Know why they're doing that?

Because passivity isn't allowed in a pro-match. Have you ever looked up how a boxing match is scored? It's not just the number punches thrown or landed. It's actually based on AGGRESSION and which fighter dominates the ring. That's why they need so many judges, because it's partly subjective as to who won a round. Don't believe me? Look it up yourself. The ref's job is to make sure that the fight stays hyper intense.

In Thai Boxing, slipping, dodging and weaving around techniques is actually considered cowardly and you get booed for doing it! In Thai, the goal is not to give the other person a single inch. You never back up. You can only circle. But if you back up, the match is scored in favor for the other fighter. That's how you train in Thai for a real fight. Hyper-aggression -- you kill the other person, or be killed. And Muay Thai has a culture of badassery. I saw some sh*t last night that was crazy.

Got to class early -- the kids were sparring. One kid started crying because he got hit in the head. The Kru (head coach) asked him if anything were broken. Kid said no. Kru told him to stop being a punk and get up and keep fighting, because in a real fight, you can't stop.

All this crap you're hearing on the web about martial arts is generally from people that either had a bad experience, or wants to pretend that martial arts "doesn't work in real life" so they can have a reason not to take it, or not be afraid that people like me exist, who can reverse your knee cap with a single kick.

I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFlbs3sQ8QE

If you've never experienced a Muay Thai leg check before, shut the f*ck up. Go to a Thai school tonight, ask someone to check the sh*t out of your leg. Then come back and tell me how you failed to stop it, how bad it hurt and how you're not walking for a week.

[blackwing Z]

Lol I hate how people assume mma is only for sport... come poke my eyes out, I'll snap ya neck still

[Benjamin]

Funny how your mma class suddenly has awareness and other stuff after I specifically pointed out twice that it was lacking where before it was just 'sparring'. I've never seen or heard of a mma class talk about that or cover that.. pretty rare class you apparently found.

And obviously inexperienced people are convinced by all the fronting and big talk. But honestly i'm even more convinced than before that you have zero real life experience. Instead all i'm seeing is "I'll say anything to have people think i'm a badass".

Plus a video that for the most of it shows head kicks for the street Someone would have spent a long time searching for all of those because it's a rare occurence and a very low percentage technique that most people should not be taught for that context.

So i'm out.

[chaosvrgn]

Good, because you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. I don't take an "MMA class." I train in Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu and Boxing, and I'm in the competition fight class. Within the INDIVIDUAL martial arts, you will learn self-defense, awareness, etc. Read what I said, or gtfo. Don't think those moderator powers are going to protect you from getting schooled after running up in my journal talking ignorance about something I've spent my whole life doing because you want to be stubborn.

Quick search for the MMA schools in my local area:

Outfox MMA
http://www.outfoxmma.com/

Martial Arts Offered: Muay Thai, BJJ and a special MMA program for people who want to fight: http://www.outfoxmma.com/classes-offered...rtial-arts

Eastern Academy of Martial Arts
http://easternacademy.com/

Martial Arts Offered: Muay Thai, Traditional Filipino Martial Arts, Jeet Kune Do, Gracie Jiu-Jutsu, Combat Submission Wrestling, Silat

Impact Martial Arts:
https://www.impact-athletes.com/

Martial Arts Offered: Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu, Traditional Filipino Martial Arts, Fight Team Class for those who want to compete.

All these were found by searching the name of my city and "MMA." If anyone wants to see for theirselves, search "MMA" and the name of your city on Google. You'll see that this is a pretty basic structure for most mixed martial arts schools. Then call and ask if they teach what I said -- awareness and self-defense.

If anyone wants to truly discuss martial arts with someone that's been training since 12 and is fully immersed in the scene, PM me. Otherwise, don't derail my thread with any more ignorant bullsh*t or risk getting f*cked up.

[chaosvrgn]

Oh, and since I always "put up or shut up," just a few pics from yesterday's sparring session to prove that I actually do train -- which more is more than what Ben can show. Do NOT repost the pics. Notice that I'm fighting with minimal protective gear. No headgear, no mouthpiece. No handwraps on under the gloves. The shin guards are not standard protective gear (which usually consists of a hard shell). These are just pieces of foam. I wouldn't even wear that, but my sparring partners requested it because I can kick so hard.

[PIX REDACTED]

[chaosvrgn]

Anyway, now that clownish business is settled -- I had my first dream featuring a board member. And the honor goes to...

CATMAN.

It was the most insane dream ever. Apparently, we were in the Matrix (yes, that Matrix). CatMan and I were like Neo and Agent Smith -- opposites of an equation trying to balance itself out. We engaged in the most epic battle ever (you were quite the opponent, CatMan). We even transformed into other "forms," like in DBZ and ended up leveling the city. There wasn't a "winner" because I woke up before it ended.

Oddly enough, I have an insane resistance headache today, making it hard for me to wanna go out tonight. Got a date with this random white chick, a 5.5/10 that I met on Bumble. I'm only going out with her because I suspect she'll be an easy lay, despite the fact that she's claiming she's "not a casual sex kinda girl" that prefers "taking it slow." Non-attractive chicks tend to post that sh*t because they know they're low hanging fruit for high-value males. All you gotta do is show them a little kindness, buy them a drink or two, maybe an appetizer to show that you're wiling to put in a little effort and they'll spread their legs just like any other chick.

Date with tight p*ssy chick tomorrow night. That's bonafide banging.

[NoLimit]

Anyway, now that clownish business is settled -- I had my first dream featuring a board member. And the honor goes to...

CATMAN.

It was the most insane dream ever. Apparently, we were in the Matrix (yes, that Matrix). CatMan and I were like Neo and Agent Smith -- opposites of an equation trying to balance itself out. We engaged in the most epic battle ever (you were quite the opponent, CatMan). We even transformed into other "forms," like in DBZ and ended up leveling the city. There wasn't a "winner" because I woke up before it ended.

Oddly enough, I have an insane resistance headache today, making it hard for me to wanna go out tonight. Got a date with this random white chick, a 5.5/10 that I met on Bumble. I'm only going out with her because I suspect she'll be an easy lay, despite the fact that she's claiming she's "not a casual sex kinda girl" that prefers "taking it slow." Non-attractive chicks tend to post that sh*t because they know they're low hanging fruit for high-value males. All you gotta do is show them a little kindness, buy them a drink or two, maybe an appetizer to show that you're wiling to put in a little effort and they'll spread their legs just like any other chick.

Date with tight p*ssy chick tomorrow night. That's bonafide banging.

Why do you go for 5.5/10 chick while you are on DMSI ?

You could surpass yourself instead, DMSI is like playing with cheatcode !