Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Sickologist]

@ robstar

He just said aggressive game works best in Scandinavia, girls are extremely passive here. I can vouch for that. You have to claim the girl here, otherwise it ain't gonna happen.

I'd reply with "yeah, works all day, every day...and now" and kiss her.

or

"It's worked on way hotter girls than you, stop acting weird" and kiss her

[Shannon]

Shannon, does PMO interfere with DMSI in any way? It's easy for me to stay away from porn except for when I get the physical urge to have sex in my body and it doesn't go away. That happens at least once within every two weeks.

Masturbating expresses your orgone, which DMSI uses to do things with. There is an effect, but it's not like it's damaging the program. You guys worry way too much about masturbating.

[Shannon]

Is the hybrid format an experiment for now or will it be included for all subs going forward? (sounds amazing, btw)

It is no longer experimental. It will probably be standard... but, we may have to eliminate some "features" because this is getting ridiculous. I now have to create five different tracks, in two different encoding formats, per stage of each title? That's a but much.

Easy fix!! Eliminate the individual Ocean Surf and Trickling Stream tracks.
Keep ultrasonic as a stand alone, so we can sleep or go about our day in silence.

Absolutely not. I don't respond well to ultrasonic at all, even when played low. I respond best to Trickling Stream, played at a low volume.

I told Shannon to let us make our own playlist of ultrasonic/mask and to stay focused on his work.

He still went ahead and created the hybrid. Obviously to get faster results for those of us that want everything NOW...

It's Shannon's call. I'm still for making your own playlist as you so desire.
Ditch the hybrids and leave it up to us to decide how we want to listen.

It's not just faster results, but more powerful effect. This will help not just getting results faster but getting more results and overcoming resistance. It's important stuff. Not likely to ditch the hybrids. But I might ditch the FLACs, since they're what took up the majority of the 5.2 GB upload I did last night.

[robstar]

You guys are so focused on one goal and one way to it, it's no wonder you have these issues.

DMSI goal is to get others to approach and initiate. In the end, that is the goal and it's not changing unless I have no choice. I have that choice, because I know I can achieve that goal. Maybe not in 3.0, but I can and I will.

Even if NSFM can be added in a way that would enhance instead of detract, which may be possible, it is still training wheels for guys who are stuck in the paradigm that got them where they are now. It almost certainly won't be included in the final no matter what for that reason.

So if I can find a way to add it and enhance DMSI, I will try. If I run out of time, it may get passed over. There are several other much more important things to add still.

Shannon and Co. --

Look at it like this. We already know that the aura can generate significant amounts of attraction, barring a few people here who are outright refusing to execute the script.

BTW: For those of you who will object to that, Shannon has stated that the "morphine drip" effect is actually a tag that allows him to see if you're executing the script or not. So... that being said -- no euphoria, you're not executing the script.

ANYWAY -- we know it can at least generate attraction. We have tons and tons of data on that. Adding NSFM will allow us to gather data on how DMSI performs after the initial attraction phase, when the courtship ritual is now in what I call the "negotiation phase," because that's essentially what it is -- you and your target are essentially negotiating what you're going to offer in exchange for sex, whether it's a good ****, access to your money, a potential baby, etc.

Personally, I think the data in that stage is invaluable, and it may be worth adding NSFM and OAA to this stage of the script just so you can get that data.

For example:

I'm beginning to question whether the celebrity vibe is doing us more harm than help. Last night, I ran some loops of v2.5 before my date. I knew I was actually executing the code because I experienced what felt like a full body orgasm for the entire three loops.

Long story short, she began to seduce me after about 45 minutes of the pre-chatter. We made out, felt each other up, etc. We were lost in this little bubble of just sexuality. Definitely had some sniper play in there.

Anyway, we ended back at her house. We're doing EVERYTHING but f*cking at this point. Hand jobs, blowies, I'm going down on her, she's going down on me -- but she's putting up some SIGNIFICANT ASD. It mean, that's some mind blowing cognitive dissonance to be drenching wet, screaming in ecstasy, willing to do everything... except f*ck. She kept telling me that she wanted to "wait until Christmas," where she could dress up in lingerie as a present and I could unwrap her.

Just to add to the story, this chick is severely sexually frustrated. She just came out of a long-term relationship where the guy was refusing to **** her. She said that over the course of eight months, they had sex twice. And both times, she had to push and initiate. When he'd finally relent, he said he felt like he was being forced. She told me that he would hide in the bathroom when he changed clothes and wouldn't let her look at him. To me, this is clearly signs of sexual abuse as a child and I kinda wanted to look the dude up and send him the link to E2.

Anyway, I point that out to show the level of ASD I was getting. I finally got her to give in by using a very strategic approach of staggered escalation. It's where you push the boundary and when she stops you, you hop back one step. Not too far. If you're kissing her neck on one side and rubbing your fingers on the other side of her neck and when you go for a boob grab (or to unbutton her shirt) and she slaps it away, you go back to rubbing her neck for a minute... then proceed with the boob grab.

After AN HOUR of this, she finally gave in and I railed her brains out for a good hour (was totally pumped full of Indian Viagra, sorry not sorry) until the chick could barely walk.

And guess what she says after that? "We're not doing this again until Christmas."

It's clear to me that she's trying to lock me down as a long-term mate, not a casual **** buddy, which seems to me isn't necessarily the goal of DMSI. Seems like a side effect. Illumi just reported a similar situation, where the woman allowed him to slap her ass, but wouldn't let him escalate. I don't see that situation as a rejection. I see that situation as, "I want to lock you down, not just be your playmate."

The fact is, we need more information and data, but we're having problems with men being able to approach women. While the long term goal of DMSI is to make the gender you're attracted to approach you with little effort, I believe we're limiting the data we can get if we only focus on the pre-attraction, attraction stage.

... plus, I really wanna get OAA and NSFM programming in 5.5g. Lawd. It'll definitely up the amount of information I could report.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that I'm seeing a few inconsistent results. The women are clearly seeing us as sexual enough to let us touch them and the such, but instead of giving in and ***** us, they're pulling the, "I wanna lock you down game." I've been considered what the manosphere calls a "beta bucks" before -- the emasculated male where the woman only wants you for your resources. And... they don't let you touch them and the such. They control all the strings for sex. This isn't that. This is, let's ****... but I want you to date me and be baby daddy!

Doesn't sound like a problem with dmsi, rather just a belief system incompatibility. She could also be testing your reactions as opposed to trying to lock you down. Haha maybe she doesn't want to get stuck in a sexless relationship again and if you're OK with waiting till Christmas you've failed the test! Never listen to what a woman says, watch what she does.

[wolverine_i_am]

Lol please don't remove the FLACs, Shannon, because it's the only thing I use!

[Illumi]

What if you could bulid one flac hybrid and one flac masked ? With the rest being of the MP3! Id really like me a hybrid flac DMSI:

[maxx55]

Lol please don't remove the FLACs, Shannon, because it's the only thing I use!

Exactly.

It doesn't make sense to remove the FLACs when Shannon said that they produce stronger results than MP3. If one has to go, drop MP3. The focus should be on moving forward with effectiveness so if one must go, then MP3.

[wolverine_i_am]

What if you could bulid one flac hybrid and one flac masked ? With the rest being of the MP3! Id really like me a hybrid flac DMSI:

Especially how FLAC is about producing the best sound quality for the best effects. That's the only reason why I use it.

[robstar]

So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just real, but the point she said "does this ever work for you?". Is the point you should've just said "Nah never" and walked off and flirted with other girls. If she really did want you she would've chased the hell out of you at that point.. what you did was hand your balls to her on a platter and became boring at that moment, you accepted her frame of you chasing her and her being above you because you showed outright it didn't matter how much of a bitch she was you had no boundaries and were unwilling to walk away.

You gotta get her from thinking "hmm am I gonna let this guy **** me" to "damn I wanna **** this guy", and for that she needs to sense you could walk at any moment.
Particularly true for 10s because they're not used to it and it makes you the rarest among rare.

Thats just theory that you'd think makes sense, i did leave her many times but she did not come running back to me. That girl was not from around and i only had one shot.
Also i've said before i've tried playing less aggrsive and more stratigic. Didn't get me nowhere. Also my hands were all over her and she was smiling when she said if this ever works for me. Clearly it works, but you just cant win them all.

But you said the key word here which was "playing". You tried playing less aggressive. I'm not saying not to be aggressive, aggression is great, I'm saying you were outcome dependant and weren't willing to walk away from shitty behavior. I would've genuinely walked away at that point, I don't believe you can recover from "does this ever work for you", even if she's smiling, to me it's a sign she believes she's higher value than you and there's no coming back from that. But that's just my perception. And if she was in fact just shit testing with that statement and genuinely attracted to you, walking away at that point would have the potential to get her to wanna prove herself to you.
I totally agree with you on you can't win them all that's why I think cutting your losses earlier is better and if she comes back, great. Anyway, I'm just preaching outcome independance, that shit shows in your micro-behavior.
Please don't think I think I'm better than you or anything like that, I just don't like the state of the world ATM with girls thinking they're top shit and that they have magic vaginas so I'm just suggesting we flip the script and realise we deserve an abundance of great sex with chicks who aren't constantly trying to "test" us or believing we should be kneeling at their feet.

[Sickologist]

Who says he has to "walk away from shitty behavior" when he can just take her on and flip the script instead. He wanted to get laid, not play social dynamics from some lame ass text book, rsd crap.

[robstar]

@ robstar

He just said aggressive game works best in Scandinavia, girls are extremely passive here. I can vouch for that. You have to claim the girl here, otherwise it ain't gonna happen.

I'd reply with "yeah, works all day, every day...and now" and kiss her.

or

"It's worked on way hotter girls than you, stop acting weird" and kiss her

You can still be aggressive and claim a girl while being outcome independent. It's the difference between, "This chicks cute, I'm gonna give her a chance to fuck me", or "Man I need to fuck this chick".
Chick rejects a kiss she gets one second chance, what's the point of going beyond that even if you do end up fucking her you could've found another girl that'd be much more fun coz she's not obsessed with validating herself by rejecting guys she's actually attracted to multiple times.

[SargeMaximus]

I dunno robstar, I approached a woman once who I helkd hands with right away and she was like "do women always let you touch them?" went on to get her saying later (when I was indeed getting tired of her behavior) "See, now you don't like me because I'm a cop" (She was a cop supposedly) anyhow I was like "no, it's just that you don't seem to be big on the touching, but I am so..."

Later she grabbed my hand and we kept talking. I got her number too but it wasn't meant to be.

I dunno, still too needy?

The problem I have with the "walk away" school of thought is that I'd be walking away from every girl. Shit tests drive me up the wall, so does their faulty logic, self-centeredness, the way they talk, everything. So yeah, I don't know how you reconcile all that. It's one thing to walk away because you have options, but it's another to be walking away all the time.

[robstar]

Who says he has to "walk away from shitty behavior" when he can just take her on and flip the script instead. He wanted to get laid, not play social dynamics from some lame ass text book, rsd crap.

Dude what's your problem? How is it "textbook" to have an abundance mentality and go find another chick to fuck as opposed to "flip the script" which sounds like you literally read it from a pua textbook. Hypocrite much? I don't even know jackshit about rsd. Why do you have to be so instantly hostile to anyone who sees things differently to you? I've seen you do it to other guys on the forum, get a grip mate.
And you're right.. who said he "has" to walk away from shitty behavior? I just offered a potential alternative to obsessing over one chick who thinks her pussy is made of rainbows and has shown multiple signs of not being dtf.

[Shawn]

What about building only one hybrid until a better solution is found? It would still take more space and bandwith, but not as much as two tracks.