Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shannon]

I don't know what PMO is, it would be helpful to know what that is to answer the question. It would also be helpful to know what you are referring to in terms of titles. Some titles are designed to speed up the healing process, for example. And not everything is in 5.5 or even 5G.

He is talking about Porn, Masturbation, Orgasm.

According to my research, addiction consists of two distinct parts. There's a chemical component, and there's the psychological component.

Also according to my research, the chemical component almost always takes a back seat to the psychological component in terms of why people are addicted. It may begin with a physical addiction, but the addiction usually becomes psychological after that and that aspect is what causes the majority of the issue recovering. In some cases, the psychological is what drives the person to the physical, seeking escape.

The real issue is the psychological, because it will be either what drives the choices that result in addictive behavior, or what actually prevents the person from stopping their addictive behavior. The former is usually seen when the person is using their addiction of choice as a means to escape something (usually guilt, shame, fear or pain of some kind). The latter is seen in that case and when the physical addiction starts by sufficient exposure to physically addictive things otherwise. They basically become convinced that they cannot do without the addictive action, experience or substance, and their responses to that belief end up becoming a feedback loop of self fulfilling prophecy that becomes stronger and stronger.

In either case, if you find the root cause of the addiction psychologically and deal with them, it is usually not really very difficult to get past a physical addiction if it is done right. But it is the psychological that locks the person in.

Addiction, contrary to popular mythology, is not a "disease". Labeling it as such only gives an addict an excuse to be and act like an addict by taking away their personal responsibility for their choice of actions.

Is withdrawal fun? No. But you don't have to suffer withdrawal if you come off the addictive substance gently and slowly enough. And you will have a lot less withdrawal when your subconscious is not convinced that withdrawal symptoms are what you want from it.

What we fear, we focus on. And what we focus on, repeat and attach emotional intensity to, we train. So by experiencing withdrawal, you can effectively train your conscious to fear it, and thereby train your subconscious that "this is what must happen whenever I do X".

Sounds completely irrational, and it is. The subconscious mind happens to be the seat of the emotional awareness, and although not entirely irrational, it is definitely not all logical thinking either.

[posh]

shannon you need to explain what you mean when u say ur working on different modules. none of us know what things like "Currently working on AUTBFS module for MIR/DMSI." even mean. If would be helpful if u explained what the modules were for.

thanks

[posh]

Shannon care to elaborate more about the " concious part of the sniper " in DMSI v2.5
Today i saw it in action and i knew it had to be it. It worked almost too well, i wanna know what actually triggers it!

what happened? what did the woman do?

[Dmitry]

Shannon, I saw that some scripts (open library) contain wording "reject". In Russian language "rejection" is quite a synonym for "suppress", "something I don't want to see". Rejection, as suppresion is considered one of the most causes of deseases and, per se, cancer. I don't want to seed the panic just want to clarify: "distancing", "disidentification" are more propriate? In my consulting practice people are starting resolve and heal there issues by "looking at something as it is", "giving it a space to be" and training themselves to see the truth of the cause in its wholeness, then distancing and disidentify with "issues" and then healing process automatically takes place. "What we reject are becoming our destiny" free wording of Carl G. Jung sentence.
Can you explain or comment that?

[Shawn]

shannon you need to explain what you mean when u say ur working on different modules. none of us know what things like "Currently working on AUTBFS module for MIR/DMSI." even mean. If would be helpful if u explained what the modules were for.

thanks

These modules are trade secrets. Nobody knows what they are really doing other than helping the program to work.

[robstar]

Shannon I think another sub that would potentially help you become a multimillionaire would be a "Be free from all addictions" sub. It would've best for it to not force the user to never do or take the addictive element again, because most people don't like the idea that they don't have a choice, but rather gets the user free of the addictive component, destroying the addict mind so to speak so the user is free to do or not do what they choose.

[Dmitry]

Shannon I think another sub that would potentially help you become a multimillionaire would be a "Be free from all addictions" sub. It would've best for it to not force the user to never do or take the addictive element again, because most people don't like the idea that they don't have a choice, but rather gets the user free of the addictive component, destroying the addict mind so to speak so the user is free to do or not do what they choose.

If unconscious causes (secondary gains) to take addicts material are solved/healed, then there are no reasons to continue the use of drugs and etc.
Don't consider the unconscious stupid: if drugs are "giving" something to user, that cannot be obtained via "normal" ways, the person will continue the addictive behavior.

[Duke.Togo]

Shannon I think another sub that would potentially help you become a multimillionaire would be a "Be free from all addictions" sub. It would've best for it to not force the user to never do or take the addictive element again, because most people don't like the idea that they don't have a choice, but rather gets the user free of the addictive component, destroying the addict mind so to speak so the user is free to do or not do what they choose.

If unconscious causes (secondary gains) to take addicts material are solved/healed, then there are no reasons to continue the use of drugs and etc.
Don't consider the unconscious stupid: if drugs are "giving" something to user, that cannot be obtained via "normal" ways, the person will continue the addictive behavior.

It depends on the drug, and in many cases it goes beyond just what the subconscious wants. On the one hand, yes, there is a mental factor that it starts with, but look at Heroine and Crack, those were physically addictive substances. Nicotine is the worst drug because it is socially acceptable.

Drug use and addiction can have several factors to it, and while there is a mental role at play, there are also physical addictions that need to be considered.

I'm not the expert on this, so I'm sure Shannon has a better grasp of the material, but I personally had a friend who OD'd on heroine.

He also happened to come from a good family, was a Harvard Law School graduate and had a 2 year old son and a beautiful wife that he left behind.

In the end he was out of control. What and why and how it all happened is a long winded history, but what I do know is there was a physical element to it all that he had to get a fix for.

All I'm saying is addiction isn't always a simple subconscious needing something argument. I don't think there's anything simple about addiction.

But again, I'm not an expert. I would default to Shannon on how effective a sub can be in instances like this.

[Dmitry]

Shannon I think another sub that would potentially help you become a multimillionaire would be a "Be free from all addictions" sub. It would've best for it to not force the user to never do or take the addictive element again, because most people don't like the idea that they don't have a choice, but rather gets the user free of the addictive component, destroying the addict mind so to speak so the user is free to do or not do what they choose.

If unconscious causes (secondary gains) to take addicts material are solved/healed, then there are no reasons to continue the use of drugs and etc.
Don't consider the unconscious stupid: if drugs are "giving" something to user, that cannot be obtained via "normal" ways, the person will continue the addictive behavior.

It depends on the drug, and in many cases it goes beyond just what the subconscious wants. On the one hand, yes, there is a mental factor that it starts with, but look at Heroine and Crack, those were physically addictive substances. Nicotine is the worst drug because it is socially acceptable.

Drug use and addiction can have several factors to it, and while there is a mental role at play, there are also physical addictions that need to be considered.

I'm not the expert on this, so I'm sure Shannon has a better grasp of the material, but I personally had a friend who OD'd on heroine.

He also happened to come from a good family, was a Harvard Law School graduate and had a 2 year old son and a beautiful wife that he left behind.

In the end he was out of control. What and why and how it all happened is a long winded history, but what I do know is there was a physical element to it all that he had to get a fix for.

All I'm saying is addiction isn't always a simple subconscious needing something argument. I don't think there's anything simple about addiction.

But again, I'm not an expert. I would default to Shannon on how effective a sub can be in instances like this.

Duke EXACTLY - subconscious is not THAT simple. All of addiction, emotional issues, issues with women and EVERTYTHING we consider a "problem" etc ALL reside in subconscious. You want a proof? If everything was only conscious depended, we would never need psychoteraphy nor subliminals, we will just be using our willpower to stop.

From my experience (btw, I'm a psychiatrist by my first education), people who used "heavy" drugs (and heavy alchoholism) in 98% occasions had an unconscious tendency to die. I.e. subconscious tendency to die. Its complicated to explain (I don't want to flood offtopic) but just think about it.

I think that E2 can be a choice for addicts.

[Ricardo]

Shannon the fellas and I have been responding to this thread here, here, and here. Note: those are my posts but they also encompass the ideas laid forth by others in the thread. RTBoss, Alpha360, Ricardo, and Maxx contributed as well. Just throwing that out there. All links are in chronological order.

I'll shorthand the idea here though. Basically, we are discussing dropping the "perfect" from the AYP series in favor of something quicker. Attract an Amazing/Attractive Lover (AAL for short). This series would be the equivalent of fast food.

I remember you told me that with the AYPs there were three options: 1)Good, 2) Fast, and 3) Cheap. We could only get 2 out of the 3. We're choosing options 2 and 3 here. If you don't have time to read every post, the very last link will sum everything up. Thanks Shannon.

You will have to wait a while, because I am planning to rebuild the AYP series using current technology, and I expect based on the experiments that I have done, and what I have seen it do under even adverse test conditions in DMSI, that time will no longer be an issue.

To clarify perfect, though, let's consider "perfect lover".

Such a person would very likely or certainly be:

* The most physically attractive you believe you can get at the time, subconsciously.
* Maximally compatible with you sexually.
* Sexually available.
* Of legal age of sexual consent

Such a person may or may not not be:

* Sane
* Geographically close
* Mature
* Healthy emotionally
* Sober/Clean
* Single or otherwise un-involved
* Capable of romance
* Without children

The perfect part applies only to the descriptive of what the focus is, in this case "lover". Nothing else.

Doing what you suggest will lower the standards further, and widen the pool of available candidates, making it easier and faster to do and producing more candidates. However, we don't know if the new technology will make the AYP series perform the way we want yet. I am going to see if I can make it do what us desired before I lower the standards.

Time may not be the issue going forward but whether the 'perfect' person actually exist in the first place is still the Achilles heel as far as I can see.

[K-Train]

Time may not be the issue going forward but whether the 'perfect' person actually exist in the first place is still the Achilles heel as far as I can see.

Exactly. Although I wonder if it could be specified to have the program direct the subconscious to search based off of how close a person is to "perfect". Going back to the 1-10 scale with 1 = no compatibility and 10 = perfect/near perfect compatibility let's say that a woman that is a "10" (based off compatibility and other criteria) does not currently exist or is in a situation that would prevent her from interacting with the user . Could the program simply choose from the next available person who comes the closest to "perfect"?

Side Note: If DMSI works correctly then the AYP's working properly won't be as big of a deal.

[Shawn]

I don't see the "perfect" as a problem. I mean, it is relative to where you are at life. And if I remember it is defined by your subconscious. The only reason it would fail if someone simply doesn't have the basic skills to interact with women and escalating to sex. And I am not talking about PUA master level skills here, just about being able to make a move here and there.

[JackOfHearts]

Manifestation doesn't even require skills as far as I understood reading Shannon journal.

[Shawn]

Well, I am simply talking about basic interaction skills. Or the other way, no overwhelming guilt, shame and fear to be able to do something about it as well as no self sabotage. The last one really destroyed all chances for me.