Shannon's Journal Discussion

[wolverine_i_am]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

[Dilettante]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

What if i learned it already it already and i dont think the return on investment is worth it?

This is bigger than sex. this can fundamentally disable feminism and crash their the gynocentric system thus liberating all western men from the misery we're all trapped in.

this is why i invested in this product, because i know it can change the world.

If shannon alters what was the original prenise of this experiment then i'm requesting a refund.
I might not get it back, but i will ask for it if it does not work or is altered from its original premise.

[RTBoss]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

It's the whole point of the sub. Go run SM3 if you want what you're talking about. Until Shannon says, "It can't be done," anyone who's looking for the program goals to be achieved as stated are within their right to do so.

[wolverine_i_am]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

It's the whole point of the sub. Go run SM3 if you want what you're talking about. Until Shannon says, "It can't be done," anyone who's looking for the program goals to be achieved as stated are within their right to do so.

The point of the sub is also to get quick sex, and don't have to go through a 6 stage sub to get there, which is why I'm here using it.

[Cozy]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

What if i learned it already it already and i dont think the return on investment is worth it?

This is bigger than sex. this can fundamentally disable feminism and crash their the gynocentric system thus liberating all western men from the misery we're all trapped in.

this is why i invested in this product, because i know it can change the world.

If shannon alters what was the original prenise of this experiment then i'm requesting a refund.
I might not get it back, but i will ask for it if it does not work or is altered from its original premise.

To be honest with you, I don't think this goal can be accomplished with just an aura. unless theres like a friendliness aura combined with it, to get that door open.

When most men approach women, I don't think it's just because their attracted to the woman, it's because they feel it's what they should do when they see this women, it's a logical decision. The same goes for women, I'm sure if you were a rich playboy, women would be trying to open you up and pursue you, because it's the logical thing to do, not necessarily because they feel attracted to you. They may or may not be.

So, it has to be a logical decision, something supported and encouraged by the society they live in. It has to be the logical / acceptable thing to do.

But, I could be wrong.

[ncbeareatingman]

I PM'ed ja but not about surgery but about natural healing solutions while utilizing Shannon's fantastic sub alike.

EDIT: For those PMing about surgery -- it's not an option. Not because I don't want to do it. Apparently, it doesn't work with the kind of pain I'm experiencing.
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[chaosvrgn]

I PM'ed ja but not about surgery but about natural healing solutions while utilizing Shannon's fantastic sub alike.

EDIT: For those PMing about surgery -- it's not an option. Not because I don't want to do it. Apparently, it doesn't work with the kind of pain I'm experiencing.

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Yea, I saw it - thanks for that. Gonna get around to answering PMs soon. Past week has been hectic.

[Benjamin]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

[wolverine_i_am]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

[Funky Trunks]

Bloody hell, is anyone else who's doing DMSI going through a rollercoaster of emotions and moods? Some days I'm angry as hell, others miserable, today feeling great. Some days I even dislike who I am and feel I should be more of a 'man'. Still have that urge to try AM6 but going to persevere with this. I'm feeling more and more frustrated about my inability to be successful with women but today I am not and I'm feeling thankful that I have my freedom to do what I want and travel where I want, whereas all my friends are in their relationships. Really interesting and confusing times going through this and more so than previous versions perhaps. I'm even thinking it's bordering on depersonalisation but not the extremity of it. I've just moved to a new country, been here a month, and trying to integrate myself here without knowing the language etc so I think this also has a large part to play with it too.

Should really get a journal up and running.

[4Kingdoms]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

It's more than just 'refusing'. Sometimes there is that moment of 'awkward silence' and the guy is in his head 'overthinking things'.

I'm against OAA being in DMSI because the girl is supposed to approach you. As far as I'm concerned that part of DMSI has passed with flying colors!!

I'm all for NSFM being in DMSI, so the guy can have that 'nudge' to confidently move it to the next level. She has already approached... it's time to have a conversation. (think about it, if someone ignored you... you would walk away too)

[wolverine_i_am]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

It's more than just 'refusing'. Sometimes there is that moment of 'awkward silence' and the guy is in his head 'overthinking things'.

I'm against OAA being in DMSI because the girl is supposed to approach you. As far as I'm concerned that part of DMSI has passed with flying colors!!

I'm all for NSFM being in DMSI, so the guy can have that 'nudge' to confidently move it to the next level. She has already approached... it's time to have a conversation. (think about it, if someone ignored you... you would walk away too)

I agree that it definitely must have NSFM. It's about putting you to ease right? Makes it easier for both people to have sex to happen. I've never used NSFM before, but I can imagine how useful it'll be on dates.

[Shawn]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

It's more than just 'refusing'. Sometimes there is that moment of 'awkward silence' and the guy is in his head 'overthinking things'.

I'm against OAA being in DMSI because the girl is supposed to approach you. As far as I'm concerned that part of DMSI has passed with flying colors!!

I'm all for NSFM being in DMSI, so the guy can have that 'nudge' to confidently move it to the next level. She has already approached... it's time to have a conversation. (think about it, if someone ignored you... you would walk away too)

I often simply get stuck, so it goes even beyond overthinking.

I see why people don't want OAA and some even NSFM (by the way, I like the idea of NSFM being in 3.0). Because the goal of this sub is to get women to approach YOU. And we should give Shannon the time to figure it out. But at the end we are using the sub to get laid. So if the women-approach-you approach shouldn't work as desired I don't see any reason why we shouldn't turn this sub in some kind of Universal Seduction Aid, which tries to get woman to approach you but empowers the user also to approach them.

[chaosvrgn]

The design goal of DMSI is to get women to approach and seduce us. The final version should reflect that. Until we get to that point, however, there's no reason why we shouldn't have NSFM and OAA in the sub.

Think of it like this: We already know that aura works, to an extent (well, most of us). Anyone who used v1 has solid, definite evidence that the aura can AT LEAST attract a woman. Unfortunately, there's very little data on what happens after that, because most of us are resting on our laurels, refusing to talk to women.

We need to understand how DMSI is affecting your targets and yourself AFTER the initial attraction stage. If adding NSFM and OAA will help us get that vital research, we need to do it.

Come on, guys -- this revolutionary technology has only been in open testing for like.. 4-5 months. I feel like talking about refunds and the such at this point only adds unnecessary stress to an already tense situation.