Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Steven]

@SargeMaximus

Thank you for making that point.

[SargeMaximus]

@SargeMaximus

Thank you for making that point.

My pleasure.

[DisneylandUSA]

Shannon and to anyone else who would like to comment,

For some of us, v2.3 was a real challenge. As I've been coming out of the negative side of all the weirdness, I had an odd but likely positive experience today.

I went to get some clothes and began talking to one of the women there. During my conversation, she vacillated between standing just out of arm's reach and standing close enough to casually touch. She mentioned her clothes size multiple times. She made a comment of "I don't wear certain clothes because how I dress in the bed room is different than how I dress when I'm out and about." She stuck her tongue out more than 7 times. Every once and awhile she disagreed with me. I challenged her once and she backed down and restated what she said/meant. She was slightly blushed. She stroked her hair a few times. She kept making comments along the theme of "yeh I already know that" (agreeing with me but implying I was saying something redundant) which made me wonder if she was closed off or trying to impress me with her independence and self-sufficiency (like she doesn't need a man and her life is completely together) or trying to qualify. She implied how old she was.

But I wondered if she was defensive.

1) Is there a way DMSI can be set up so it lowers the responders' defensiveness to the user... maybe even turns around the defenses (I'm not sure how to better say it)

2) Shannon what do you think was going on. I saw green lights, but I felt she was too "prickly" to get more casual with... but she made all those unnecessary, slightly sexual disclosures like a talking personal ad.

3) Perhaps I needed to direct the conversation to more casual/fun topics.

Or, She could have traits of just an 'old-fashioned' stuck-up personality And, she could be attention seeking for an Audience since, no man would put up with her

[dissonance]

Shannon and to anyone else who would like to comment,

For some of us, v2.3 was a real challenge. As I've been coming out of the negative side of all the weirdness, I had an odd but likely positive experience today.

I went to get some clothes and began talking to one of the women there. During my conversation, she vacillated between standing just out of arm's reach and standing close enough to casually touch. She mentioned her clothes size multiple times. She made a comment of "I don't wear certain clothes because how I dress in the bed room is different than how I dress when I'm out and about." She stuck her tongue out more than 7 times. Every once and awhile she disagreed with me. I challenged her once and she backed down and restated what she said/meant. She was slightly blushed. She stroked her hair a few times. She kept making comments along the theme of "yeh I already know that" (agreeing with me but implying I was saying something redundant) which made me wonder if she was closed off or trying to impress me with her independence and self-sufficiency (like she doesn't need a man and her life is completely together) or trying to qualify. She implied how old she was.

But I wondered if she was defensive.

1) Is there a way DMSI can be set up so it lowers the responders' defensiveness to the user... maybe even turns around the defenses (I'm not sure how to better say it)

2) Shannon what do you think was going on. I saw green lights, but I felt she was too "prickly" to get more casual with... but she made all those unnecessary, slightly sexual disclosures like a talking personal ad.

3) Perhaps I needed to direct the conversation to more casual/fun topics.

Have people been saying v2.3 feels weird? What exactly do you mean by this? What were the effects that you saw people were saying that is "weird"?

[AriGold]

I have to say I am against "healing" modules or OGSF within programs. Yes, they help if there is a trauma or something holding you back.

But otherwise it is constantly telling the subconscious "you need to heal your trauma, just let it go, let go of all traumas" and even when you are healed the subconscious is trying to look for traumas (FOCUS) that are to be healed, because it is constantly bombed with the word trauma, guilt, shame or fear. So the healing will never end.

I don't think we want to put our subconscious into a hospital and wait for it to regenerate and heal every little thing. It's like "look I can walk, I can move without pain, I should get out of here" but Dr. Healing-Module says "look, there is still a scar, let's treat that and after that we will see".

That is the reason (in my opinion) why AM5 produced so much more noticeable results. AM6 took the focus to the healing, not the development to the biggest self that you can be. It made you less beta (healing) but not alpha (leading).

Just my thoughts, maybe some of you will understand what I am trying to say.

[Lowe]

I have to say I am against "healing" modules or OGSF within programs. Yes, they help if there is a trauma or something holding you back.

But otherwise it is constantly telling the subconscious "you need to heal your trauma, just let it go, let go of all traumas" and even when you are healed the subconscious is trying to look for traumas (FOCUS) that are to be healed, because it is constantly bombed with the word trauma, guilt, shame or fear. So the healing will never end.

I don't think we want to put our subconscious into a hospital and wait for it to regenerate and heal every little thing. It's like "look I can walk, I can move without pain, I should get out of here" but Dr. Healing-Module says "look, there is still a scar, let's treat that and after that we will see".

Good point, but after the testing done I think it's clear at this point that V2.3 with all the healing and OGSF modules removed did not come close to achieving the goal, so it is apparent that we do need these modules to some extent.

By your reasoning I think a 2-stagers is what you would prefer, one with healing the other action. Shannon is considering it, last I heard.

[Illumi]

I have to say I am against "healing" modules or OGSF within programs. Yes, they help if there is a trauma or something holding you back.

But otherwise it is constantly telling the subconscious "you need to heal your trauma, just let it go, let go of all traumas" and even when you are healed the subconscious is trying to look for traumas (FOCUS) that are to be healed, because it is constantly bombed with the word trauma, guilt, shame or fear. So the healing will never end.

I don't think we want to put our subconscious into a hospital and wait for it to regenerate and heal every little thing. It's like "look I can walk, I can move without pain, I should get out of here" but Dr. Healing-Module says "look, there is still a scar, let's treat that and after that we will see".

That is the reason (in my opinion) why AM5 produced so much more noticeable results. AM6 took the focus to the healing, not the development to the biggest self that you can be. It made you less beta (healing) but not alpha (leading).

Just my thoughts, maybe some of you will understand what I am trying to say.

It depends on the user himself, lets say first time AM6 users they would benifit greatly from healing just as i did, second run you wont need as much healing and your subconsious puts more effort on being alpha. Third run you may not even need healing anymore and your subconcious can consetrate 100% on being alpha.

Its unlilkly that Shannon did not think of this allready.

[4Kingdoms]

Just my thoughts, maybe some of you will understand what I am trying to say.

I get what you are saying, I DO!! I am neither for or against healing, I own E2!! I just want a final version that gets what's on the tin!!

AriGold, as you read this... imagine/pretend you are "Shannon" trying to make DMSI better.

v1 is released
Forum: I'm getting iois, but... I'm not sure if they really are iois???

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2.1 is released
Forum: Women are asking me to sleep with them. I'm not sure if I should??
(time goes by, minutes, hours) Forum: I regret not sleeping with her.

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2.2 is released with healing to help the Forum to take action. There is also a warning that it will take 6 weeks to happen.
Forum: Dang, Day 1 and it's not working! Dang, Week 5 and it's not working!!

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Totally disgusted, 2.3 is reluctantly released to see what happens without the healing before the testers reach week 6 with 2.2.
Forum: When is 2.4 coming out?? I miss the healing that was in 2.2!! Why am I getting less attention from women and more attention from men?? I'm doing 2.2 until 2.4 is released!!

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When the idea of a two stage DMSI was discussed, the Forum asked Shannon to keep costs down and keep it a single stage.

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What would you do if you were Shannon?? Single stage with healing. Two stage, healing and hunting. He is trying to get results for the majority. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. The majority want a single stage with healing.

[AriGold]

I don't know what is scripted in 2.2 and 2.3, so maybe when he ripped the healing module out, the scripting was kind of incomplete. Also he was trying to find out something about the goal-phrasing and how we would react to it.

Yes, DMSI is coming with 2 stages, one with and one without healing modules.
But that was not really the point I was trying to make. It's about ALL programs. AM with OGSF/E2 in it, LTU with OGSF, ...
If our subconscious always gets bombed with negative words (Shannon might disagree on this one), these words are imprinted into our brains more deeply. Even though it is "overcoming fear", this will be imprinted repeatedly.

I am absolutely sure we can heal in the field, if it is smaller things that are holding us back. For bigger things there is E2 and EPRHA (or EHPRA or ExxxA - whatever).
Also the goals of programs seem to lose the focus with more goal phrasings within it. Like DMSI with 4 goals and more. Yes the newer "technology" is getting more content into the same sentence, so it is easy to put together 20 4G programs into one 5G program, but we lose focus.

I am ok with the DMSI V3 coming out Christmas, I wouldn't even mind donating something extra. But if it does not deliver, it is not what is on the selling page, therefore it is a fail.

Less time for sales pitches and more time for making results happen. I'd like that.

[AriGold]

I know Shannon is trying. Maybe he should take 2 weeks off, enjoy his time and let the solutions come to him.

To me it seems like people just need a push, not maintenance.

[4Kingdoms]

It's about ALL programs. AM with OGSF/E2 in it, LTU with OGSF, ...
If our subconscious always gets bombed with negative words (Shannon might disagree on this one), these words are imprinted into our brains more deeply. Even though it is "overcoming fear", this will be imprinted repeatedly.

I am absolutely sure we can heal in the field, if it is smaller things that are holding us back. For bigger things there is E2 and EPRHA (or EHPRA or ExxxA - whatever).
Also the goals of programs seem to lose the focus with more goal phrasings within it. Like DMSI with 4 goals and more. Yes the newer "technology" is getting more content into the same sentence, so it is easy to put together 20 4G programs into one 5G program, but we lose focus.

I'm no expert when it comes to making subliminals. I'm sure there is a reason behind Shannon's logic. I always see requests for combo's like Ultra Success and Luck Magnifier; so maybe that's why he puts so many titles together in one subliminal.

[Illumi]

My first thoughts on DMSI was its just a super aura with some auto pilot to help campitalize , the aura is good enough that it matters not what you look like, if you need healing and so on.
But now seeing how healing absolutly need that means its not the aura that makes goal 1 possible.

DMSI is turning more and more into a single stage sex magnet with healing required to work properly.
What about the aura? Could'nt the aura be strong enough to generate goal 1 on its own? Do we really need auto pilot and healing.

It's one thing to achive goal 1 and get women asking you for sex and its another if you are alpha enough to capitalize!

No one discusses aura anymore which tells me that its as good as it gets, all women could do is give iois and stuff like them approaching you is just a fairy tail.

Personally i did ASC, AM6 and i approach and do all the work, if i see an oppertunity id take it. I dont need healing in order to take her offer. But then again she wont go as far as to make the offer now can she? All she could do is give iois and i need to do the rest! The aura is as good as it get! And thats why i need healing in order to make it happen.

[Steven]

Have people been saying v2.3 feels weird? What exactly do you mean by this? What were the effects that you saw people were saying that is "weird"?

Here's some reading that can get you started:

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7872-p...#pid128683

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7872-p...#pid128801

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7872-p...#pid128803

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7854-p...#pid128939

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7872-p...#pid129254

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7854-p...#pid129173

Some of these posts may be more relevant to you than others.

[thor2014]

To be honest we have all had ago at Shannon, for not delivering what we believe is fit for purpose. I do however like the fact he has listened to members and attempted to deliver their requirements in a very small time frame. He even bowed to pressure to get an experimental version released. I do believe he will do everything in his power to deliver exactly what he said he would, I mean the guy is the biggest player out there in the subliminal word. Plus his business would be at stake if he did not deliver what he promised.