Shannon's Journal Discussion

[lokko]

What is this word "models" all about. I keep seeing Shannon talk about it. Testing models etc but not sure what it really is. Is it the people he's testing the subs on or certain scripts he's working on...Shannon?

[Shannon]

What is this word "models" all about. I keep seeing Shannon talk about it. Testing models etc but not sure what it really is. Is it the people he's testing the subs on or certain scripts he's working on...Shannon?

Predictive models. Something like computer models meteorologists use to predict the weather, only I can use mine to predict a number of other things.

[kenpachi]

That's good Shannon's talking about different versions to attract different women... it shows he knows you can't throw "women" into one group and have them all react the same.

However, I think he's got it right to only release one version. I don't want to be running the program and stressing over which version I should be running to attract which woman. Let's keep it simple.

[Hold007]

GPR12, MHS... then I'll sort out what to do next.

can somebody in this thread please tell me what GPR12 and MHS stands for??

thanks

[terry44]

The models are going absolutely savage.

I, too, feel like my problem has been being too soft as of late. I also wonder how much is nature vs nurture. Fascinating data which reconfirms my own.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Unlike Shannon the models didn't really surprise me that much, but certainly did clarify things. I've spent a lot of time reading and studying current gender issues and such. Why are teenage girls so darn mean? We may never know, but I do know that the teenage girl bullying videos I've seen are usually the most brutal. Just thinking about all the data I've compiled in my head while rummaging through the plights of modern day males and society, is all.

I have to agree with you. I'm surprised Shannon was surprised to be honest, lol.

Teenage girls have been addicted to loser bad boys, or "extreme treatment", for as long as I've known and beyond. No surprise to me at all, it's as clear as day to me my whole life. It's mystified me about WHY often, but I can't deny the reality of it playing out constantly. I also agree with how petty and superficial etc. they can be.

Yes, they call men superficial and yet are incredibly impressed by height. And when I was younger and used to go clubbing with a group of people I knew, my black friends did so much better than my white or Asian friends. I mean women used to literally chat them up, but look right through the rest of us.

[CatMan]

The models are going absolutely savage.

I, too, feel like my problem has been being too soft as of late. I also wonder how much is nature vs nurture. Fascinating data which reconfirms my own.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Unlike Shannon the models didn't really surprise me that much, but certainly did clarify things. I've spent a lot of time reading and studying current gender issues and such. Why are teenage girls so darn mean? We may never know, but I do know that the teenage girl bullying videos I've seen are usually the most brutal. Just thinking about all the data I've compiled in my head while rummaging through the plights of modern day males and society, is all.

I have to agree with you. I'm surprised Shannon was surprised to be honest, lol.

Teenage girls have been addicted to loser bad boys, or "extreme treatment", for as long as I've known and beyond. No surprise to me at all, it's as clear as day to me my whole life. It's mystified me about WHY often, but I can't deny the reality of it playing out constantly. I also agree with how petty and superficial etc. they can be.

Yes, they call men superficial and yet are incredibly impressed by height. And when I was younger and used to go clubbing with a group of people I knew, my black friends did so much better than my white or Asian friends. I mean women used to literally chat them up, but look right through the rest of us.

I can vouch for that.

I've been out of style apparently my whole life, and have gone through the EXACT experience you listed, all through high school, college, club scene, you name it. Yep. Infuriating to me, and led to many beliefs and anger and jealousy, over my life towards "them", I'll admit. Not going further than that, as I don't want any forum rules broken.

Looking forward to MSI 2.2 leveling the playing field a bit, finally. I've been passed over long enough. I'm going to stick with E2, at least until 2.2 debuts.

[Daredevil]

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Unlike Shannon the models didn't really surprise me that much, but certainly did clarify things. I've spent a lot of time reading and studying current gender issues and such. Why are teenage girls so darn mean? We may never know, but I do know that the teenage girl bullying videos I've seen are usually the most brutal. Just thinking about all the data I've compiled in my head while rummaging through the plights of modern day males and society, is all.

I have to agree with you. I'm surprised Shannon was surprised to be honest, lol.

Teenage girls have been addicted to loser bad boys, or "extreme treatment", for as long as I've known and beyond. No surprise to me at all, it's as clear as day to me my whole life. It's mystified me about WHY often, but I can't deny the reality of it playing out constantly. I also agree with how petty and superficial etc. they can be.

Yes, they call men superficial and yet are incredibly impressed by height. And when I was younger and used to go clubbing with a group of people I knew, my black friends did so much better than my white or Asian friends. I mean women used to literally chat them up, but look right through the rest of us.

I can vouch for that.

I've been out of style apparently my whole life, and have gone through the EXACT experience you listed, all through high school, college, club scene, you name it. Yep. Infuriating to me, and led to many beliefs and anger and jealousy, over my life towards "them", I'll admit. Not going further than that, as I don't want any forum rules broken.

Looking forward to MSI 2.2 leveling the playing field a bit, finally. I've been passed over long enough. I'm going to stick with E2, at least until 2.2 debuts.

We've been lied too our whole entire lives to think that women love nice boys like prince charming and we want to raise them to our level and help them but they despise us for that deep down and what they want is danger and play because out of them are bored.

But one thing I can't understand is why the most common female fantasy is rape and the majority of female watch hardcore(torture/bondage) porn. Shannon can you shine a little light on this.

[Gotcha]

Girls fantasizing about being raped, girls watching hardcore torture/bondage porn...if them girls right there don't have "issues" I don't know what "issues" are any more.

Fantasies are just that... Fantasies. I've had a few girls/women tell me about that kind of fantasy, and others that may seem even "worse" to you. When they know you won't judge, women tend to share those thoughs.

I'm quite sure none would like it to happen in reality. I would not say they have "issues" at all. They just get turned on by thinking about it. No need to make a big deal about it, in my opinion.

[chaosvrgn]

Yes, they call men superficial and yet are incredibly impressed by height. And when I was younger and used to go clubbing with a group of people I knew, my black friends did so much better than my white or Asian friends. I mean women used to literally chat them up, but look right through the rest of us.

I can vouch for that.

I've been out of style apparently my whole life, and have gone through the EXACT experience you listed, all through high school, college, club scene, you name it. Yep. Infuriating to me, and led to many beliefs and anger and jealousy, over my life towards "them", I'll admit. Not going further than that, as I don't want any forum rules broken.

Looking forward to MSI 2.2 leveling the playing field a bit, finally. I've been passed over long enough. I'm going to stick with E2, at least until 2.2 debuts.

Awwwwwwww! This is cute.

As a black man who grew up in the American south, I want to reassure my pink-skinned brethren that, even if black men were stealing up all da wimmenz, you have the advantage on, well... every-f*cking-thing else. You know, including not getting shot the f*ck up at routine traffic stops.

Turn on the news, see the turmoil this country's in right now and enjoy a moment of relief. While you may not be able to attract a couple of club rats, you don't have to worry about your life literally or metaphorically being destroyed by virtue of your skin color.

Ya'll some f*cking clowns sometimes. Really, you need MSI 2.2 to finally get an edge up on the black men stealing all the white women? What kind of ridiculous excuse is that? Let me give you a hint: try online dating. White men get a +3 bonus for simply being white. No, don't argue. I've already done all the research. OkCupid has already done all the research. Christian Rudder (founder of OkCupid and a genius mathematician / statistician) wrote a book called Dataclysm: Who We Are (When We Think No One is Looking) that discussed the "weird" (but painfully obvious to Black America) oddities he found in OkCupid's data. He noted that while white women claim no racial bias on their profiles and in the questions they have to answer, they show a CLEAR bias for white men.

EDIT: P.S. -- black women preferred white men too. One of their number one searches was "outside my race," looking for white men that openly stated that on their profiles.

So, rest assured my furry friend, and anyone else holding these stupid-ass views: the black men ain't stealing up your women. The problem is your faulty ass beliefs that you refuse to acknowledge, even when you have the most powerful subliminals in the world floating around in your head.

I'm going out on Wednesday with a quite attractive, quite successful brunette that runs a local non-profit. So, even with the statistically proven "disadvantage" of being black, I'm still managing to pull quality women. Then again, in ya'lls head, I "stole" her, right? Because you clearly deserve her more on virtue of being white? That's where your dissonance and anger's coming from.

Fix that sh*t. Quit making excuses. Go out, stop trying to be "friends" with a woman and make it clear you wanna be her lover.

[RisingSon]

Here we go with the whole sanitizing things as fantasy rationalization. I'd kindly say that two types of women are more honest than the rest: hookers and romance novel writers.

Ravishment... Rapture.... And if you can't fulfill a certain woman's fantasies she will just find someone else who can or forever live a quite life of desperation and become hysterical.

For women this "R" paradox is about being such an absolutely irresistible object of desire that a strong, dominant, and high-value man simply cannot control himself or resist her charms further and takes her RIGHT THERE. Of course, there could be more to it than that when we get into bondage, etc..
The dark side of female sexuality.

[terry44]

Yes, they call men superficial and yet are incredibly impressed by height. And when I was younger and used to go clubbing with a group of people I knew, my black friends did so much better than my white or Asian friends. I mean women used to literally chat them up, but look right through the rest of us.

I can vouch for that.

I've been out of style apparently my whole life, and have gone through the EXACT experience you listed, all through high school, college, club scene, you name it. Yep. Infuriating to me, and led to many beliefs and anger and jealousy, over my life towards "them", I'll admit. Not going further than that, as I don't want any forum rules broken.

Looking forward to MSI 2.2 leveling the playing field a bit, finally. I've been passed over long enough. I'm going to stick with E2, at least until 2.2 debuts.

So, rest assured my furry friend, and anyone else holding these stupid-ass views: the black men ain't stealing up your women. The problem is your faulty ass beliefs that you refuse to acknowledge, even when you have the most powerful subliminals in the world floating around in your head.

Not sure real experiences can be 'stupid ass'. I was commenting on the superficiality of women, not getting angry about anyone stealing white women. And as I said, the black men I was talking about were friends. There wasn't resentment, just observation, over and over and over again. Oh and it wasn't their pickup ability or personality, the women made a beeline for them without them doing anything.

[kenpachi]

Check out a book called my secret garden by nancy friday, alighnment.

[Dilettante]

I know this is too late but: I really love soft women. Most of my dates and women friends are softies (and maybe I as well lol)

I've met many women from countries outside the west and they are mostly soft and medium. Western women tend to scale medium to hard in my opinion.

that said, I'm trusting Shannon. The goal is to produce sexual attraction through our auras and those responding (which should be a wide range of women) should initiate some sort of response (meeting us halfway in the mating dance)

[Vincent_Vega]

Having a hard time narrowing the goal scripting down below three options.

Naive question inbound: Can't you just try each of them?

Well, that is an option... I could build all three, and it would cost me at least 72 hours of work to do so. Then I would have three valid products to offer: "Soft", "Medium" and "Hard". (Referring to the women who would respond to each.)

Then I could make them all available in the store, and give a description of what each is good for. Then you could choose for yourself.

But, this would inevitably lead to someone trying to take advantage of the refund policy by trying to "return" one and get another, or "trade in". Not good.

The options I have in response to that are, offer no refund at all, or make it a bundle pack, at triple the cost.

If I offer no refund, then I lose a lot of sales. If I do the triple pack, then someone's going to use it wrong, screw up their results and then ask for a refund.

So... I think I'll pass. You guys will get the single option that works best overall.

At the moment, DMSI is in testing phase, so the users won't get a refund anyway. Why not offering all three to the guys who are already testing v2.1?
That way, you will get test reports on all three versions and maybe you can then tweak the whole thing to only have one or two final versions at the end.

But yea, nevertheless, one single option would be the easiest for all.